"Born-Again Virgin"

Some old ladies at church want me to date an ex-bawd and drug addict who is now a "Born-Again Virgin". Apparently this means she got saved and has renounced being a bawd and is now going to wait until marriage to have sex again, which makes her just as valid a partner as an actual virgin.

Does this seem extremely moronic and insulting to you? I'm about to stop going to church because of this. She's one of the old ladies' granddaughter.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this seem extremely moronic and insulting to you?
    Yes.
    >She's one of the old ladies' granddaughter.
    Top kek

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She's trying to hitch her granddaughter up with some loser. Dont fall for those traps.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She wants a betabux for her granddaughter and thought you fit the bill.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes, that’s ridiculous.
    If she’s genuinely changed, she should be the first to understand the necessity of consequences for her actions. You shouldn’t be nasty towards her, but I would never date a woman like that.

    Also, this is a good example of women’s propensity for excessive forgiveness (at the expense of discipline), which is why Christianity—or any major religion, for that matter— kept them out of leadership roles for the Church. While women are arguably more personally moral than men (there are still lots of immoral women, don’t get me wrong), they’re much less willing to enforce moral standards than men. And those standards are what keep a society healthy. I don’t blame women for this; even the women who do hold others to high standards are at a disadvantage in a confrontation, so of course they’d be more reluctant to risk it.

    If men are society’s backbone, women are society’s heart.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Christianity—or any major religion, for that matter— kept them out of leadership roles for the Church
      All that did was make women less accountable for their actions and more likely to do stupid shit and ask for forgiveness later.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this seem extremely moronic and insulting to you?
    You seem moronic for caring about her sexual history. You only care because you can't get sex and she can.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >You seem moronic for caring about her sexual history

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        what does this even mean in correlation the post lol what

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Relationships where the woman has more sexual experience never work because she has expectations the guy can't meet.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Like what? Expectations of being pumped and dumped? Sounds more like trauma to me.

        If anything it's the thots at the disadvantage because they have to live with the shame.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Kek, hope this is b8. They're literally advertising her sexual history/status as a selling point, and there are plenty of reasons to care about it.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She isn't a car you're buying, she is a person. Your vegana doesn't change with sex, you are judging a woman(!) for her choices and experiences, through your own lens of sex negativity.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A circumstance that is all too common. I wouldn't quit going to that church if you've been going there for a while but I would shut down any attempts at matchmaking. Be respectful but stern. They're trying to push her on you because you probably come across as nice and stable but make no mistake, they're doing this purely for her benefit at your expense.

          The next time a woman uses this excuse ask her this: If she knew a guy was a convicted but reformed pedophile, would she still date him? Before you retort with "are you comparing consenting promiscuity to pedophilia?", I'm comparing the consequences of actions. Would you hire someone who went to jail for shoplifting, grand theft auto, etc? You may, but to most people it's a risk in an already risky game, especially so for men who have considerably more at stake. A woman who has been promiscuous shows risky tendencies that will put most self respecting men off, enough so to not even look at them twice.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >oh hey are you the reformed hooker?
            >I want to even the field and let you know I used to rape children and animals but jesus forgave me
            lmao I wonder how they would react... suddenly the born agains aint acting so jesusly.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          So if her sexual history doesn't matter, why are they trying to slap the "virgin" label on her? It's like slapping "Non-GMO Organic Gluten Free" on something, then when you point out it's none of those things, you get butthurt and say it shouldn't matter, kek. Shut the frick up.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >She isn't a car you're buying, she is a person
          Then they shouldn't advertise her as refurbished. If that's how She's being sold, its fair to judge her that way

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >through your own lens of sex negativity
          Clearly it's objective since even the prostitute, jesus himself, and the granny all agree she was a prostitute.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          If someone was diabetic and constantly was shoveling doughnuts and soda into their mouth despite the escalating medical costs and well known nature of diabetes do you think it would be a good investment as a sign of kindness to pay for their doctor bills?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >you are judging a *person(!) for *their choices
          welcome to the real world.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I could get sex it would be monogamously not prostitutedly
      Being a prostitute is a choice... a choice to be a bad person.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I knew one of those "born again virgins" with scars from self-harm and tattoo removals, kek. Honestly it's respectable that she's trying to change her act, the issue is trying to pretend like she is on the same playing field as a virgin despite the damage. I would liken it to someone trying to sell you an old beat-up car as "new" because it has a new paint job. But all the parts are frickin rusted. Yeah it is insulting. You don't know if this woman has slept with 100 dudes and contracted gonorrhea and herpes, has a kid out there she gave up for adoption, has had abortions, has a bunch of abusive exes hanging around. It's not cool. People value virginity for legitimate reasons.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    So you have the upper hand.
    Seems fun, anon.

    Visit her home. It's clean? It's everything in place? Do yo smell weed?
    Ask her for cooking a delicious meal for you.
    Ask her to iron your clothes.
    Can she even sew a fricking button?
    Has a job? Can drive?

    After a throughout test, tell her:
    "Sorry 'virgin'. You are utterly a genetic discard."

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Gotta be b8.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      She isn't a car you're buying, she is a person. Your vegana doesn't change with sex, you are judging a woman(!) for her choices and experiences, through your own lens of sex negativity.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yeah it is moronic and insulting... but if you got nothing better going on why not? You don't have to play pretend with everyone that is playing a different pretend game.
    And yeah you should probably stop going to church. I'm not an atheist btw I just think churches are cults and that they are saying you cannot understand god without devotion to a church. That is ridiculous.
    If you destroyed every church and said "God did it" would they believe you?
    Born again virgin OH MY GOD What the the frick.
    Listen I see myself as a scholar not a mindless worshipper. And there's nothing wrong with having been bad and feeling guilt. But there is something wrong with thinking you should ever stop being guilty. Guilty is what mends the sin and you must bear it and ask not for less guilt but for more strength to bear your burdens.
    Animals do not languish over their actions, this is one reason why we are human at all.
    I would do it anyways though because I am a virgin moron. Plus I'm not totally sinless.
    So I would recommend you choose to see her or not out of your own volition and in general stop being a protestant.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Look at it this way man, she's got a good girl image now and all the bad girl experience. She KNOWS what hedonism does to a person and chooses to want to be better. She'll be a perfect little trad wife and let you do unmentionable shit to her in bed.

    I was very much the same as the woman in question until I met my now fiance, I wanted to be better and now I'm a loving provider and a gentle person.

    "Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Uhhhh bro are you quoting the grampa dragon from skyrim?
      Not OP but where do I find a reformed prostitute?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >She'll be a perfect little trad wife
      Wishful thinking at best, even if I didn’t think her past were intrinsically disqualifying. Regardless of her mindset now or how much she regrets what she did, she can’t change her past, she can’t remove her baggage, and she can’t be truly exclusive with her spouse.
      The fact is that people with shitty pasts don’t actually change all that often. Could they cool down a little? Sometimes. But they’ve already shown a capability to do wrong, and it’s much quicker to surface again later on. An ex-alcoholic deserves respect for their effort to kick the addiction, but they’re nonetheless much likelier to take up drinking heavily than someone who never drank to begin with.

      >let you do unmentionable shit to her in bed.
      A woman having no dignity isn’t a selling point. That’s one of the heaviest consequences of promiscuity, the loss/lack of dignity.
      She didn’t actually change. If a guy wants a bawd, he should just go for a bawd.

      >Is it better to be born good, or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?
      The former. Zero question whatsoever.
      Terrible things happen in society because most people aren’t good to begin with, and even though effort has its place and should be commended, it’s by definition too late to stop all the damage from being done.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      bro's never even heard of pair bonding

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Is it better to be born good
      Yes. Every time. Without question. How can you even pose this as a question without feeling crushing shame?

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone at church is the absolute last person you should ever listen to an opinion from. maybe in the 0.001% chance you meet an Oxford divinity alum or something. but laity and 99% of clergy are the dumbest motherfrickers to ever exist

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >has renounced being a bawd and is now going to wait until marriage to have sex again
    kek they don't call you guys christcucks for nothing.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Went through almost the same thing.

    She was older than me. She treated me like a child. She insisted on pretending she was super pious and would wait until marriage for everything: fricking, meeting her family, staying over, taking her on trips, you name it. She couldn't justify any of the things she wanted besides "that's the way my parents and siblings did it."

    She expected I would propose to marry her within a year of meeting her and would obey her like a puppy: never taking her on adventures, never exploring, never asking her to move with me outside of her comfy hometown.

    I realized quite rapidly that what I saw in her was a surrogate mother and a source of comfort, not a lover or wife material. Her insistence on keeping clothes on kept me from realizing that for a while.

    It was pretty hard to dig myself out of that mental hole, but I finally did it. She got dumped.

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this seem extremely moronic and insulting to you?
    It is. Its impossible for people, the most complex creatures known to this galaxy, to ever, ever change. Its never possible for anybody to grow or learn from their mistakes. Any time you do something bad in your life you are forever defined by that thing.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >prostitutes can be heckin valid virgins if they want to be

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Well, religiously, yes. Mechanically, obviously not.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      how many children did you rape and murder you sick frick!?

  15. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this seem extremely moronic and insulting to you?
    Yes, very.
    She freely fricked every Chad she could find, but you she's going to make wait and pay with your life.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you're right - she should just stop being celibate and focusing on saving sex for a committed, married relationship and go back to the way she was. That would be better for everyone.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Unironically true as long as she doesn't have children. She'll be being honest and potentially happier, at least short-term. Chad will be happier. The church will waste less of OP's and everyone else's time and energy on her. And OP won't be duped into ruining his life. All good things for all parties.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Her only mistake was admitting that she was a bawd instead of leaving town, starting life anew, and putting it all behind her.

  16. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm about to stop going to church because of this
    Why are you going to begin with? You don't need that stuff to be a good person, despite what they tell you.

  17. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    pair bonding is a real thing. There's journals to back it up. There was a reason virgins were so prized in ancient cultures besides birth control

  18. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    If you married her you'd be committing adultery.

  19. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >religion
    "my favorite deity can beat up your favorite deity."
    >why do you go to church?
    >religion is just the beta version of govt and not even a release candidate.

  20. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Does this seem extremely moronic
    Yes. Very.
    What you are doing is right. No advice needed.

  21. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    if she doesn't have STDs I would at least give a once-over, maybe she has great qualities idk.

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