Can women love?

I find it hard to believe, since what attracts them in men is the ability to provide.
I don't see why they wouldn't prefer the stronger, taller, more skilled, more dependable, more stable men since these are the traits they like and they can be measured from low to high.

>inb4 but men are attracted by women with more feminine traits too
Wrong, men are attracted by women who look like them. There has been studies on this.

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    They can. Men, on the other hand...

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        is this why white women vote against their men's interest to import more migrant that end up raping them?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Please stay on topic

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            to simplify to your peanut brain
            woman dont love, they wanna be gaped & stuffed
            transgenerational memory from being filled air tight like a bowling ball

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Sick women are annoying.
        They wake up and the first thing they do is whine they don’t feel good and then just complain and whine all day while nagging people to do the stuff they no longer can do. Stuff that no one wanted done in the first place except them. I don’t want to get all the Christmas decorations down I don’t fricking care and no one else in the family does besides you. I don’t care if you’re sick you aren’t guilting me into being your slave you c**t.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          You sound unhappy

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you address my argument then?

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You right. Just remember all this books/films where man kill half planet for girl? Where man sacrifice himself for woman?Where man shoud kill dragon for princess? This all stuf write by a man and we love it.

    But what woman write?50 shades of grey

    Chud trait girl like a shiet and she loves him , in the end when he start be nice she drop him

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    People aren't completely transactional psychopaths who drop relationships at the slightest opportunity to 'upgrade'. A woman who loves her partner isn't going to dump him because she met someone who makes $5,000 more per year or is half an inch taller, just like a man who loves his partner isn't going to dump her because he met someone who is one cup size bigger or has slightly wider hips.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Except man are attracted by similar looking women. Breast and hip size aren't relevant.
      https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-010-9723-z
      >Empirical studies present considerably consistent data about human mate choice, from which we may infer that it tends to be homogamous for various traits. However, different experiments on facial resemblance led to contradictory results. To obtain additional data about the preference for self-resembling potential mates, male and female composite faces were modified in a manner to resemble subjects. Volunteers were asked to choose a potential partner from three images in different situations: self-resembling faces, non-resembling faces (both with the same degree of other-rated attractiveness), and images which were rated by others as more attractive than the self-resembling faces. Women did not show any preference for similarity; they preferred the most attractive male and female faces. In contrast, men preferred the most attractive images of the opposite sex to self-resembling faces and the self-resembling to non-resembling faces. The self-resemblance of same-sex faces was preferred by neither men nor women. Our results support the hypothesis that both facial similarity (i.e., cues of shared genes) and observer-independent features of attractiveness (i.e., honest signals of genetic quality) play an important role in males’ mate choice. The lack of choice for self-resemblance on the female side in this particular study might reflect their more complex decision-making rules that are probably based on other cues beside visual stimuli.

      tldr: women do not care about physical similarity, unlike men, therefore the only criteria left is a man's ability to provide.
      This is why only women can get "the ick". The moment the illusion of the manliness of a man is destroyed, they lose all attraction. This doesn't happen to men, because femininity is passive and cannot be destroyed, while manliness is active, and can.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You know being attracted to someone who provides and being able to love aren't mutually exclusive?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Except man are attracted by similar looking women. Breast and hip size aren't relevant.
        Even if I grant you this how does it disprove what I said? Some women are more beautiful than others but men don't seem to be willing to abandon the love of their life for a marginal 'upgrade', and neither do women.
        >This is why only women can get "the ick". The moment the illusion of the manliness of a man is destroyed, they lose all attraction. This doesn't happen to men, because femininity is passive and cannot be destroyed, while manliness is active, and can.
        Men can also get the ick. Tons of men will at the drop of a hat lose attraction to a woman (at least as a prospective romantic partner) if they find out her body count is too high, if she's done depraved sexual acts like a gangbang/porn or burned coal.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Even if I grant you this how does it disprove what I said? Some women are more beautiful than others but men don't seem to be willing to abandon the love of their life for a marginal 'upgrade', and neither do women.
          Because as I showed you, men's sexual attraction is subjective, while for women it's objective
          Men won't drop or see any differently their gf if they see a girl with fatter breasts, but a woman won't see her bf the same if they saw a taller, objectively more attractive man. Not that you would get it, it's a foreign concept to you. Let's imagine the following scenarios:

          >bf interacts with another man, is visibly insecure and shows inferior status to the other man. He is shorter and weaker and less confident
          would you still see him the same?
          >bf embarrassingly loses a fist fight
          would you still see him the same?
          >bf is physically disabled or incapable of providing in some way
          would you still see him the same?

          Women like to think they are more capable of love because they are more obsessed with the concept, but it's wrong. What they like is the illusion a man will give them. The illusion the man is manly enough to provide. The moment this illusion is broken, the "love" is gone. I put love in quote because masculine love and feminine love are totally different concepts

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Because as I showed you, men's sexual attraction is subjective, while for women it's objective
            This is not true. There are traits that are more or less universally liked but people of both sexes develop personal preferences. Some men really have a thing for particular hair colors, some women like men with beards, others dislike men with beards. Women will almost universally like men who are tall with broad shoulders and a good jawline just like men will almost universally like women who have soft skin, wide hips and good fat distribution.
            >Men won't drop or see any differently their gf if they see a girl with fatter breasts, but a woman won't see her bf the same if they saw a taller, objectively more attractive man
            This is also just not true. If a woman is in a good relationship with a man she loves her pussy won't magically dry up because a 6'1" guy walks past her 6' boyfriend. All your examples can be converted to instances of men losing attraction to their partner. On this site alone you have tons of guys absolutely seething over the fact that some women have tattoos and how that instantly turns them into disgusting prostitutes. Men can do things that make women lose attraction to them and women can do things that make men lose attraction to them, this doesn't make either sex incapable of love.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Interesting you completely ignore the scenarios i presented to you
            a bit uncomfortable perhaps?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I collectively addressed them when I said both men and women can do things that make the opposite sex lose attraction to them. A woman could lose attraction to her boyfriend in all of those three scenarios, so what? That doesn't make them incapable of love any less than men being incapable of love because of similar circumstances with the gender dynamic swapped. If you feel the need to call me out then are you ever going to address the point that men constantly get the ick from women relating to things like body counts, tattoos, coalburning etcetra? You pretend like women can't truly love men because it hinges on the idea that masculinity can be lost while also conveniently repeatedly ignoring the examples of the same thing happening when perceived femininity is lost.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            expect you'd have to try pretty hard to lose your femininity. You don't accidentally have a high bodycount or tattoo yourselves with scribbles
            The situations I gave happen in spite of the man, it doesn't come from him. A man is to be used, and you drop him if he becomes unsatisfactory

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >expect you'd have to try pretty hard to lose your femininity. You don't accidentally have a high bodycount or tattoo yourselves with scribbles
            A woman can sleep with a lot of men without her perceiving herself as unfeminine, or get some tattoos for the same reason. You work under the assumption that everyone operates on the morals of a conservative man.
            >The situations I gave happen in spite of the man, it doesn't come from him. A man is to be used, and you drop him if he becomes unsatisfactory
            There are scenarios where similar things could happen to a woman. A lot of men would get the ick from a perfectly normal woman who got drugged and then spitroasted in some semi-conscious state. A lot of white men would get the ick from a white woman who only had a body count of 1, her ex-boyfriend who happens to be black.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >A woman can sleep with a lot of men without her perceiving herself as unfeminine, or get some tattoos for the same reason. You work under the assumption that everyone operates on the morals of a conservative man.
            Then why present these scenarios if you're saying they wouldn't actually give men the "ick"? you're contradicting yourself

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Here's a simple scenario. Man meets woman, they hit it off. In his eyes she is very feminine and he likes everything about her. What he doesn't know is that she has had a lot of casual sex prior to meeting him, but everything else about her from her appearance to her mannerisms and personality is perfect to him. He finds out about her sexual past and he gets the ick. In her own eyes she is still feminine and hasn't done anything wrong because she doesn't see the issue with having consensual sex with a lot of people. There is no contradiction here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >>bf interacts with another man, is visibly insecure and shows inferior status to the other man. He is shorter and weaker and less confident
            >would you still see him the same?
            >>bf embarrassingly loses a fist fight
            >would you still see him the same?
            >>bf is physically disabled or incapable of providing in some way
            >would you still see him the same?
            Yes to all because if I'm with him he is my partner, and hopefully companion for life, and I love him despite his flaws.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bf is physically disabled or incapable of providing in some way
            >would you still see him the same?

            This

            Women are statistically more likely to stay with a partner who becomes seriously ill or disabled, though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what about the other examples

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bf interacts with another man, is visibly insecure and shows inferior status to the other man. He is shorter and weaker and less confident
            Being shorter isn't the issue, there will always be someone taller. But openly showing your lack of confidence in yourself is pathetic. Luckily, confidence is a something you can work on. You don't have to be a giant, but you shouldn't start pitying yourself just because someone has a few inches on you.
            >bf embarrassingly loses a fist fight
            That depends on a ton of other factors like who started the fight or the size of the opponent. If someone bigger than you picks a fight with you, then yeah, you losing is to be expected and I don't think any woman would realistically expect any different. But if you start a fight with someone half your size and get your ass beat, then a woman might lose respect for you because why are you picking fights you can't win? But again, that's more due to a lack of foresight than due to not being big or strong enough.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > Because as I showed you, men's sexual attraction is subjective, while for women it's objective
            lol
            Lmao, even

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Breast and hip size aren't relevant.
        This directly contradicts the study you posted.
        Direct quotes from the study you cited:
        >"Empirical studies present considerably consistent data about human mate choice, from which we may infer that it tends to be homogamous for various traits. However, different experiments on facial resemblance led to contradictory results."
        this means the study you cite does NOT have the scope to address *or refute* the well-established attraction men have for women based on bust size, hip:waist ratio, bodily symmetry, etc.
        >"Our results support the hypothesis that both facial similarity (i.e., cues of shared genes) and *observer-independent features of attractiveness (i.e., honest signals of genetic quality)( play an important role in males’ mate choice." [emphasis added]
        the study you cite SPECIFICALLY STATES that markers like bust size, hip:waist ration, etc. ARE relevant.
        So you are incorrect.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >tldr: women do not care about physical similarity, unlike men, therefore the only criteria left is a man's ability to provide
        False. The cited study actually REFUTES this position. The lack of *self-resemblance* being a factor for women does NOTHING to eliminate a woman's attractiveness to symmetry, personality, and so on. Indeed, the section YOU QUOTE here
        >"might reflect their more complex decision-making rules that are probably based on other cues beside visual stimuli"
        like, AGAIN, personality, status snese of humor, intelligence, and the other non-physical and non-material things women find attractive about men.
        This entire thread does nothing but prove OP is bad at reading

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In contrast, men preferred the most attractive images of the opposite sex to self-resembling faces
        Literally the quote you posted said that men prefer attractive women to those that resemble them. Both men and women will go for attractive people first. It's just that if given the option of two people who are a similar level of attractiveness, men will choose someone who looks like them while that's not a deciding factor for women. But for both men and women, you're screwed if you're not a 10.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        There are definitely outliers
        Not many of them, but they're out there

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Outliers?
          OP is completely wrong and admitted it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Guess I'll keep looking for that dom woman

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'll tell you why men are fricking worthless. Because they're tools. Literally. They're the cattle class of the human race their only value being their strength. Sure, an ox is stronger than you in every way. But would you ever respect an ox? Think of it as superior? Of course not, ridiculous. The cattle is only there to work itself down to the bone in service to its masters.

    And that's what men are for. To die and sacrifice themselves for the sake of a woman's safety and well being, be it at work or in war. That's all they can do. God knows they're worthless for emotional support, or for raising children, or even making children in the first place. That's why men are traditionally held outside of the house: at work, or in their sheds, working. You wouldnt let a farm animal into your house, now would you?

    A woman is like a beautiful work of art : valuable and precious. A man is like a crude hammer: to be thrown away once it's broken.

    And there's no need to pity, or god forbid, respect them for their sacrifices. It's simply their nature and purpose to go out and ruin their bodies and minds to ensure the survival of the species, and the safety of us women and our children. That's the part that MRAS and incels don't get: they think it's a great injustice that men experience less love, that they do all the hardest and dangerous jobs, that they commit more suicides, that they get left behind, abandoned or sacrificed first thing during a war or a catastrophe. But it is not injustice, It is exactly how it's meant to be: God created them worthless, and that's their fate.

    The only man I'd consider "good" is one who accepts this, and accepts his responsibility and purpose. And by "gond", I mean good in the way a car is good when it does its job well anddoesn't require maintenance, Men can't be "good" in a moral sense, because they're barely even human.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Interesting post

      You know being attracted to someone who provides and being able to love aren't mutually exclusive?

      no counter argument i see

      So what is it women are attracted by then if not only the ability to provide?
      I just proved women are attracted by
      >the most attractive men
      >the most able men
      disprove it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's fine, just be faithful or I'll beat you to death. Sound fair?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can tell you're a dude because a woman could never come up with this argument on her own

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I can tell you're a dude because a woman could never come up with this argument on her own

      Yeah pretty sure it's just an incel stirring the pot

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sure but most of the time they love that ex from a few years ago and are just using the person they are with currently

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Stop spamming this thread. You make it constantly with minor variations.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You are posting two wildly inaccurate things that apply to GROUPS, not individuals, then being coy.
    You make no arguments, just state an unsupported personal opinion.
    2/10, best I can do

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Can women love?
    Which meaning of "love" are you referencing?
    >I find it hard to believe
    Incredulity is not an argument. Your lack of imagination is a personal issue.
    >what attracts them in men is the ability to provide
    "attract" and "love" are not synonyms, so you are not on topic. Further, trying to simplify the rather complex elements of attraction to one axis is at best ploy to make the definition impossible. At worst you are just dumb.
    >I don't see why
    Again, pointing out that you have limited imagination is irrelevant and not an argument.
    >why they wouldn't prefer
    "prefer" is also not a synonym for "love". And "prefer" in which way?
    >stronger, taller, more skilled, more dependable, more stable
    In the absence of context this is all meaningless.
    >these are the traits they like
    Again, "like" is not a synonym of "love". What CONTEXT do you mean?
    >Wrong
    False. Again, trying to limit MALE attraction to a single element is at best misleading.

    Altogether OP's post show him to be uneducated and not very intelligent, so much so he thinks saying he is unimaginative is an argument.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Breast and hip size aren't relevant.
      This directly contradicts the study you posted.
      Direct quotes from the study you cited:
      >"Empirical studies present considerably consistent data about human mate choice, from which we may infer that it tends to be homogamous for various traits. However, different experiments on facial resemblance led to contradictory results."
      this means the study you cite does NOT have the scope to address *or refute* the well-established attraction men have for women based on bust size, hip:waist ratio, bodily symmetry, etc.
      >"Our results support the hypothesis that both facial similarity (i.e., cues of shared genes) and *observer-independent features of attractiveness (i.e., honest signals of genetic quality)( play an important role in males’ mate choice." [emphasis added]
      the study you cite SPECIFICALLY STATES that markers like bust size, hip:waist ration, etc. ARE relevant.
      So you are incorrect.

      >tldr: women do not care about physical similarity, unlike men, therefore the only criteria left is a man's ability to provide
      False. The cited study actually REFUTES this position. The lack of *self-resemblance* being a factor for women does NOTHING to eliminate a woman's attractiveness to symmetry, personality, and so on. Indeed, the section YOU QUOTE here
      >"might reflect their more complex decision-making rules that are probably based on other cues beside visual stimuli"
      like, AGAIN, personality, status snese of humor, intelligence, and the other non-physical and non-material things women find attractive about men.
      This entire thread does nothing but prove OP is bad at reading

      OP must be gone.
      Else he would delete the thread after seeing these

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i'm still here

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How?
          Have you no self-respect?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i don't understand
            i asked a question and people answered it and gave their own opinions
            i'm not shamed in any way, but even if i was, this is an anonymous thread

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You made multiple errors of fact.
            You have no idea what an argument is.
            Look up cringe and there is a link to this thread

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah i'm aware of all that
            it's still an anonymous thread though
            i don't really feel embarrassed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So you don't care that you are wrong, dumb, illiterate, and foolish?
            Gee, it's a puzzle you're single

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will never know love because you are incapable of it

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      what makes you say that?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You don't have the emotional depth to understand love. You might as well call it oxytocin and call it a day.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    No and it is proven by the fact at the seething incels coming in to white knight on the internet and roasties who came to attack you.
    Child behavior.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's another episode of
    >Incel explains sex from it's wide breadth of personal experience

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What's the purpose of your question? What's the problem you are trying to solve? You're just parroting mindless incel gobblety asiatic in the form of loaded questions. This is basically the incel version of "Would you still love me if I was a worm?"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >This is basically the incel version of "Would you still love me if I was a worm?"
      that's a good way to put i guess

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My mom and dad loved each other a lot. That's all I know

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I guess they are, but for them its entirely conditional. My mom my mom had 3 relationships and was the one who ended all of then. She married my dad because he was "handsome" (her words), and divorced him when I was 13 and he had gotten fat and was balding.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Now she's dating a guy 12 years younger then her. She wants me to meet the guy but I simply refuse, I don't want him in the family. My mom is literally moronic but I still love her.
    She did that right after divorcing my dad too, started a relationship with a 28 year old and she was 40 something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i get it anon
      my father has been with lots of woman and now there's another one again he wants me to meet, i also refuse
      i don't understand why i'm supposed to care if it changes every two years and he isn't with my mother, as nature intended

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why is it always a frogposter with the most autistic, inane threads?

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women can love.. other men (that aren't you). Get over it

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