Cousin marriages and the ramifications

Muslims of /misc/, how many of you actually have consanguineous marriages in your family? 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins?
/misc/ researchers, what are the implications for populations with high levels of consanguineous marriage over generations?

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Why do they do this, I feel disgusting and repulsion against my cousins

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      To make reproduction easier, islam is all about quantity not quality

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        actually its to keep money in the family. Traditionally one party would have to pay a big dowry to the other. By marrying their cousins the wealth stays in the family.
        It doesnt make reproduction easier, it does make more moronic babies though

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      it creates giant clans, supposedly to keep the money "in the family"
      but it actually turns every country into an easily subverted corrupt shithole to the israelites

      also keeps the inbreds dumb thus easier to control

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what are the implications for populations with high levels of consanguineous marriage over generations?
    low IQ and genetic disorders. Pakis have some of the highest rates of genetic disorders on earth. The only reason the low IQ shit didn't happen with Ashkenazi israelites is because of the intense sexual selection they were under in the Rhineland during the middle ages.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It happens in rural areas. I only know city slickers, so I don't know anyone married to their cousin.

      There are no negative consequences. IQ simply isn't a beneficial trait to have in most regions of the world. IQ was irrelevant until technology became a thing. It still is, since we're ruled by midwits, not geniuses.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IQ simply isn't a beneficial trait to have in most regions of the world. IQ was irrelevant until technology became a thing
        Technology only became a thing because of intelligence idiot. Your brain accounts for nearly 80% of your base metabolic expenditure. If intelligence had no benefits, it never would have evolved in the first place given the energy requirements to support it.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm talking about 130+ IQ individuals. We're a lot more useful now than we were in the past. Even then, most useful people are average IQ.

          >There are no negative consequences
          Are you making the claim that there are no negative consequences with having children with your cousin?

          If the alternative is having children with your second or third cousin, yes. Those are your only options if you're living with your tribe.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            useful to whom?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            There are a lot of complicated topics that we can work on. There weren't in the past. Pressures in the past selected for your ability to swing a sword and string a bow and ride a horse and charge at your enemy. Now, smart people can build nukes for their society, making all that irrelevant.
            How would the intelligence required to work on quantum computing be useful in the mountains of Afghanistan? It'd be worthless.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I asked "useful to whom"...

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >There are no negative consequences
        Are you making the claim that there are no negative consequences with having children with your cousin?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        That sounds like an inbred argument.
        Also, isn't higher propensity for violence, lack of impulse control a big side effect?

        Cousin marriage is fine for 1 generation, the problem is if you do it gen after gen, my uncle married his 1st cousin

        >tf
        >tp
        Do you eat ham?

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Those aren't bad traits to have until we move people into modern societies.

          >Actual tribes are more like a few hundred to a few thousand people.
          These are the tribes types that I was referring to and I'm glad you brought it up. Have you ever heard of the 50/500 rule? Its the ideal that the minimum population size of 50 is needed to prevent inbreeding, and 500 is needed to reduce genetic drift. So when you say stuff like, "Marrying unrelated people even within one's ethnic group is very rare," its just false.

          What's the marriage pattern that happens within those 50/500 people? Are they paired off randomly, or do they have a higher probability of marrying close relations?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >we move people into modern societies.
            Where are you from originally and were are you posting from now? Why hide behind a meme flag?

            > Are they paired off randomly, or do they have a higher probability of marrying close relations?
            That would depend on the tribe. Which tribe are we talking about? I still don't know?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm asking about your model. What are its assumptions?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The model is mathematical. It doesn't care what the culture norms are since that is what you are asking. I dont care about your cope either when it comes to justifying incest. The real issue is whether or not its should be acceptable today since it still happens for some reason. Do you think it should be acceptable? Also why do you think it still mainly occur where there are large populations of muslims?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's up to the individual. There are plenty of regions where the benefits of maintaining close tribal relations outweigh the costs. It's also far more likely that you will marry a close relation if you're not marrying through dating. In cities, this doesn't happen because people tend to know their neighbors and colleagues better than brothers. Overall, it's neither something to be encouraged or discouraged.
            The closest parallel I have would be posting on one of the generals here. Is it beneficial or harmful to post exclusively on brit/pol/? It means you'll develop closer relations with a specific group of people, but it also means you won't understand the rest of the board. Whether this is good or bad depends on what the person is looking for. I have no reason to regulate it.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >There are plenty of regions where the benefits of maintaining close tribal relations outweigh the costs.
            >close tribal relations
            lol. Are you sure you're not israeli? Let's not israelite it up. It called incest bro. And It seems by the rest of your post your are perfectly fine with it.

            >Whether this is good or bad depends on what the person is looking for
            lol. I'm sorry but this is getting absurd now. According to you, I guess if your just looking for a good time then there is nothing wrong with a little incest. Sorry, your intentions or your feelings about having sex with your family members doesn't change whether or not incest is harmful.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's harmful in the sense that it allows genetic mutations to accumulate. That doesn't mean it doesn't come with certain benefits. If it didn't, it wouldn't be so widely practiced.
            Does cousin marriage have a place in modern urbanized societies? No, because it doesn't offer any substantial benefits. Social assortative mating is more the norm in urban areas.
            Are there any exceptions? Some new arrivals in the city still practice cousin marriage for their children, because their siblings are the only people they know and can trust with their child.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The whole political alliance/trust is the usual Arab cope and also to minimize the effects (i.e: has to accumulate over generations).
            It doesn't need to. Just the first pairing of first cousins massively increases the probabilities of negative outcomes.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's not necessarily exclusively negative traits that are passed on. Positive traits also concentrate themselves with cousin marriage. It depends on what you select for.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It depends on what you select for.
            Yes it does. So if your select for a family member then you will get a family member. If you select for blonde hair blue eyes. Then you will get blonde hair blue eyes and not a family member

            I'm talking about new arrivals to cities, not to different countries.
            It's easy to criticize when you don't accept responsibility for getting 100% of your population into a stable marriage.
            Once you adopt that goal, you have to account for a different set of costs and benefits.
            [...]
            You don't live in a tribal society. You probably live in a city, where the people in closest proximity to you and that you trust the most are your friends and colleagues, not your extended family. Do you even know or keep in contact with your extended family?

            >I'm talking about new arrivals to cities
            Doesn't really change what the content of what I said. This isn't a great excuse to have sex with your sister or cousin. They also shouldn't be in that new city or where ever to begin with.

            >you don't accept responsibility for getting 100% of your population into a stable marriage.
            neither do you if you're really a muslim. Also It's not really that important that everyone is married and that marriage is stable. We just don't need to deal with a bunch of incest babies from muslims that refuse to leave their backward religion and traditions behind.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We have to look after the collective interests of society. Part of looking after a society's collective interests is ensuring strong kinship ties. The family is the sovereign legal unit, and the clan is smallest organizational unit, and the tribe is the unit through which welfare is managed. China has similar institutions with their ancestral temples, and India has similar institutions in their caste system (though both institutions are now largely destroyed). If we lose this natural sense of belonging, we lose people that we can rely upon. We lose our footing in the world. We become vulnerable, and we're forced to rely on the government, or on the kindness of strangers. We're forced to compromise, and to dilute our values.
            The question we'll really have to deal with as Muslims is how we can maintain strong kinship ties in an increasingly urbanized, atomized society. Cousin marriage is disappearing, but our cousins are disappearing with it. The former might be a good thing, but the latter is decidedly negative.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The question we'll really have to deal with as Muslims
            The answer to that question is simple. Stay out of the West. We don't really want or need you here. Deal with those deep issues away from us.

            >Cousin marriage is disappearing, but our cousins are disappearing with it.
            lol. I guess you don't understand how families work. Cousins are not disappearing and if they were disappearing it isn't because people stop having incest. If you want more cousins the simple solution is to have uncles and aunts that have more children. The answer isn't we need to have more incest. Stop with this cope.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Staying out of the West only becomes an option if the West stays out of Muslim countries. If that isn't happening, maximizing migration to the West becomes a must. Maybe not to Europe, but definitely to the US.
            I'm not talking increasing the quantity of cousins we have. I'm talking about maintaining tribal ties. That's definitely disappearing.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >If that isn't happening, maximizing migration to the West becomes a must
            Ominous shit. Then you wonder why people don't like you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's important to build one's presence in the camp of one's enemy. Power must be built both at home and abroad. The West must be crushed in every capacity. How else should we get rid of the usury and degeneracy that's pushed in Muslim lands?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's important to build one's presence in the camp of one's enemy.
            >The West must be crushed in every capacity
            So we should treat you like an enemy as well.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not you specifically, since you're probably doing nothing. Your state definitely is. Your state is trying to wipe out Islam. The natural response is to wipe out your state.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The natural response is to wipe out your state.
            maybe if your iq is sub 80, you have nothing to do vs a western state, if they go fascist mode you get palestine'd or probably worse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            That's perfectly fine. Maximizing damage is a good in itself. Again, there are no boundaries observed when it comes to inflicting suffering on Muslims. Muslims should not cross all boundaries, but Muslims should definitely do what is within the legal bounds of retaliation.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            nobody is doing shit to muslims, in fact, they are giving you oportunities to live in a society your people could never achieve and all you think is in destroying it,

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oh the good old Muslim victim complex. I used to be like you.
            The elite want to get rid of all religions, not just islam. you're not special. Christianity also faces the same treatment as Islam if not worse.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So your reason of being is just to be a cancer on a foreign society. Good to know and stay the frick away from me please.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            But that "foreign society" encroaches constantly on our lands. Why not encroach back?
            If Italy can bomb Libya, why shouldn't every Libyan migrate to Italy, and wait for an opportunity to burn it to the ground?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Why not encroach back?
            you just do it because they allow you to, and even then, its not even close of being the same

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Encroaching back in the same manner would be bombing your cities to rubble. That's far worse than sending migrants that we're most likely going to eventually take back.

            oh the good old Muslim victim complex. I used to be like you.
            The elite want to get rid of all religions, not just islam. you're not special. Christianity also faces the same treatment as Islam if not worse.

            That doesn't mean anything to me. I don't care if Christianity is destroyed. It's not my duty to defend Christianity. I care if Islam is destroyed. It's my duty to defend Islam.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >bombing your cities to rubble
            nobody bombed you for being muslim moron, they bombed you for being low iq and pretending the US doesnt exist

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            for now Islam is being destroyed from within. You're just letting it happen. which is a good thing for me as a kaffir. keep believing there's some western boogeyman trying to end you while I sit back and relax and watch Islam destroyed by Muslims.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The problems within are connected to the problems without. Simply focusing inward while not shielding yourself from external intervention is foolish. Any approach we take has to be comprehensive.

            >Internal issues
            Years of inbreeding and a backward easily debunkable cult. I dont envy you, that's for sure.

            > external issues
            caused by your internal issues. islam has always been a threat through out history since it began. There was a small period of that islam conflicts were only internal. That has not been the case over the last 70+ years though.

            > Muslims has always been the customs we adapt from outsiders.
            What customs are you even talking about? Our technology, or are you mad that gays are not killed just because they are dirty degenerates.?

            [...]
            >since you're probably doing nothing
            I'm tearing up a koran right now(for real I have a koran and I tearing a page out of it right now). If your cult had control of my country what would have done to me?

            Islam is a set of beliefs whose basis is the truth. For it to be a threat makes no sense. How can the truth be a threat to anyone?
            Islam is simple: fight, breed, pray. Our institutions should work toward strengthening these aspects. When we adopt the culture of the kuffar, e.g. consumerism, statism, internationalism, racism, spiritualism, mysticism, secularism, pragmatism, and so on, we complicate this, and create a mess. It's this mess that needs to be fixed. The past needs to be destroyed. As Muslims, we have to look only toward the future.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Islam is a set of beliefs whose basis is the truth.
            The west is just a set of beliefs whose basis is the truth. How is that a threat is muslims? Do you see how dumb your statement is? Also are we going to pretend that muslims don't follow the alleged revelations of muhammad in the koran? We all know what it says about the unbelievers. We will get in to that more, if you try and to misrepresent the koran verses that we both know exist.

            >Islam is simple: fight, breed, pray
            There is more to islam than that. If you really want to get into that we can. Its funny when a normal muslim tells me islam is simple they say its because they just believe in one God. You went a different route. Same result in the end though. It's wrong.

            > As Muslims, we have to look only toward the future.
            The best future you can hope for as a muslim is to become a Christian and leave islam all together. That's your best option but any option that leads you out of islam will be a better option than remaining a muslim.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If the US trades with other nations and protects its territorial integrity, I have no quarrel with the US. It does not serve the cause of Islam to seek out unnecessary quarrels. This is an age of industry. Territorial conquest is meaningless. It can have serve no religious end.

            Sure. I have nothing against your mission and I can respect that. The US government and military and their lackeys are your true enemy. However your tactics sound like trouble for normal, innocent people which is why your people's terrorism never served you well. Palestinians may be the only Muslims that got the idea that creating trouble for innocent people only cements the power of your enemies, so they stopped doing terrorism long ago and now have gained vast favours in the international community. In fact the Palestinians may soon win their war when sufficiently many nations stop supporting Israel. And all of this was achieved without acting like a societal cancer like you want to.

            Terrorism is always prohibited. I don't support violence of any sort, even against the state. I support politically organizing, and using the institutions of the state against itself.
            Say I want to dismantle israeli power. That's going to be very difficult to do sitting in - say - Konya. It's going to be much easier to do if I'm sitting in their centers of power, i.e. e.g. New York. That doesn't mean I should attack random israelites on the streets of Manhattan. It means I should use whatever legal means are available to me to dismantle the institutions they've built up to cement their power, e.g. their banks.
            Not all of this involves conflict. Making deals with these institutions, and giving them a stake in Muslim countries, and forcing them to look after Muslim interests, is also effective. Any approach we take must be comprehensive.
            Chaos for its own sake also serves our ends in certain areas. In those areas, we should not shy away from creating chaos. However, this is only effective in an American context. A stronger Europe and a weaker America serves our ends. Europe is dealt with through dialogue, as they have a stake in maintaining stability. The US is an island. They come and go as they please. Their capacity to do so must be crippled.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I have no quarrel with the US
            So I guess you're not really a muslim. Have you even read the koran? Did you forget that I'm a disbeliever that has in the last 15 minutes torn out pages of the koran. Also muhammad is a known bisexual and proven pedophile.

            > It does not serve the cause of Islam to seek out unnecessary quarrels.
            So who is going to enforce this? Are they going by your definition of what serves the cause of islam or something else like the koran, hadiths, fatwas?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Islamic ethics are a confused clusterfrick and they don't even have a consistent corpus iuris. Debate with Muslims always gets stuck into logical circles or they just try to gaslight you. I suggest to avoid.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Islamic ethics are a confused clusterfrick
            omar raped my wife.
            thus my wife cheated on me.
            thus i can have her stoned to death and get a new wife.
            her testimony doesn't matter because it's worth less than a man's.
            thanks omar!

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            We're not meant to have a legal code. We're not even meant to have permanent judges or courts. We're meant to be subject to mediation in civil cases, and discretionary judgment by anyone selected by our peers for criminal cases. Islamic justice is natural justice, of a sort that you can't get around with lawyers. Only in a few specified cases is there a set penalty. Islamic justice keeps you on your toes. You can't buy your way out of a case against you.

            >Islamic ethics are a confused clusterfrick
            omar raped my wife.
            thus my wife cheated on me.
            thus i can have her stoned to death and get a new wife.
            her testimony doesn't matter because it's worth less than a man's.
            thanks omar!

            That isn't at all how it would work. If Omar committed rape and there are signs of assault, he is to be put to death.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That isn't at all how it would work.
            that's how it works quite often in islamic countries. shits backwards af. have a nice day taqiyya shill.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're not by yourself the US. I can have you killed without having to start a conflict with the US.
            What guarantees peace? That there's no incentive to go to war. There's nothing to be gained for conquering the US.
            If foreign intervention comes to an end, the only focus of Muslims should be technology.
            Everyone readily accepts Islamic theology. What people see lacking in Muslims is technology.

            You see, "dismantling institutions" and "creating chaos" in the West is not going to win you any sympathy and in fact it can only win sympathy for your enemy which is something someone rational enough would certainly avoid to do. You can not commit violence and hack or otherwise destroy a bank (good luck), but still the repercussions would only be felt by innocent people who now lost their savings or worse. You are not going to win anything with that. Just take the example of the Palestinians if you want to do something effective.

            I'm not talking about hacking banks. I'm talking about regulating them. Let's say banks have to become a bit more transparent and accountable. Let's say the government has to go through more legal hoops to start a foreign war. Let's say there are organized groups that oppose financial and and political interventions in other countries. The US is a democracy. And democracies are bought much more easily than they are fought.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The US is a democracy
            Not really. It is an oligarchy with an occupied government by a lawless international elite. 2020 was a fake election and Biden is a husk of his former self. These are your enemies as much as everyone else's.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            It's an oligarchy because it's a democracy. The media shapes popular opinion, and whoever has the most money controls the media.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I can have you killed
            Can you now? Did you forget that you are talking to an American. I own guns. Also did you forget that you can't do shit because you're a teenager on the internet that is larping as a muslim.

            >That there's no incentive to go to war
            Have you even read your fricking book? I was joking about the larping but now I'm starting to think that you are larping.

            >Everyone readily accepts Islamic theology.
            Why do you make dumb statements like this? This is just laughable false.

            >What people see lacking in Muslims is technology.
            That's not the only thing, just an obvious thing. People also dislike your culture and your values that you get from muhammad.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            To have a specific blasphemer killed doesn't imply territorial conquest of the US. Territorial conquest of the US is simply not in anyone's interest. We want to conquer the US as much as you want to conquer Brazil. Our approach to the US is the same as the American approach to Brazil. It should not become a threat, and as long as it's not, it's irrelevant and should be ignored.
            I've brought a few people around me to Islam, so I'm speaking from experience. People find tawhid extremely attractive. People readily accept our values. People accept the lifestyle. They love prayer. They love family. Where do people get overwhelmed? An unclear definition of jihad. Jihad in the modern context clearly isn't military struggle, and it clearly isn't exclusively moral struggle, so they lack an area into which they can channel their zeal for God.

            >That isn't at all how it would work.
            that's how it works quite often in islamic countries. shits backwards af. have a nice day taqiyya shill.

            It literally isn't the law. Rape is classified as assault, and is punished based on the evidence available for assault. You can't stone anyone to death without witnesses, which is why stoning almost never happens. A discretionary punishment usually applies for adultery. A woman can deny that she committed adultery (and if she does, and the husband says she did commit adultery, she is divorced permanently from her husband).

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i said have a nice day taqiyya shill. no more (You)s memeflaggot.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Whatever. I'm outta here. I should stop posting here. Focus on Islam. Focus on Allah SWT. Focus on prayer, family, jihad.

            اشهد ان لا اله الا الله واشهد ان محمدا عبده ورسوله

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            kill all muslims.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            and focus on Vlad Dracul's punishment for fricking with us AGAIN

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >killed doesn't imply territorial conquest
            No it doesn't, but this country is full of people just like me and that number is growing as muslims begin to infest cities. Also I like how you ignore what the koran says. Show me where it says kill the unbelievers as long as its in interest of a teenager on the internet.

            > It should not become a threat
            So now you don't see the US as a threat. So which western countries were you talking about earlier when you were crying about the West causing all of your problems?

            >I've brought a few people around me to Islam,
            press x to doubt. I will tell you though I've seen and been part of many muslims leaving islam. Once they actually read and are exposed to the actual texts and teachings most people leave. Only the brainwashed and morally bankrupt stay.
            >People find tawhid extremely attractive
            That's because you don't tell them every thing else involved in islam and you misrepresent what islam actually teaches. You think I haven't notice how you avoid what is actually written in the koran and hadiths?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You see, "dismantling institutions" and "creating chaos" in the West is not going to win you any sympathy and in fact it can only win sympathy for your enemy which is something someone rational enough would certainly avoid to do. You can not commit violence and hack or otherwise destroy a bank (good luck), but still the repercussions would only be felt by innocent people who now lost their savings or worse. You are not going to win anything with that. Just take the example of the Palestinians if you want to do something effective.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Italy doesn't bomb shit and Italian constitution forbids foreign wars. But it sure allows defensive measures so bring it, homosexual. Your sick inbred genes can get wiped out once and for all from the gene pool.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Italy did participate in the NATO intervention in Libya.

            >bombing your cities to rubble
            nobody bombed you for being muslim moron, they bombed you for being low iq and pretending the US doesnt exist

            Muslims are effectively the only genuine resistance to usury. It's definitely because we are Muslim. Our resistance to usury will get us bombed again and again. It makes perfect sense to establish safeguards against this.

            nobody is doing shit to muslims, in fact, they are giving you oportunities to live in a society your people could never achieve and all you think is in destroying it,

            It isn't all bad. The lives and property of Western civilians should be protected. That doesn't mean we shouldn't subvert your state, or take actions against it. Your state is definitely an enemy to Muslims and Islam.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            No we can't wage war by constitution and any government who may attempt it can get toppled instantly by the parliamentary opposition. Any "participation" is stuff which we get blackmailed for by the US. If you consider this equivalent to Italians waging war to Islam I can only tell you you are just stupid.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            As long as Italy remains a part of NATO, Italy's part of the problem, albeit a small part. How would Italians react if Milan were treated the same as Baghdad, or if Rome were treated like Fallujah? Italy would make sure that those responsible never walked again.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure. I have nothing against your mission and I can respect that. The US government and military and their lackeys are your true enemy. However your tactics sound like trouble for normal, innocent people which is why your people's terrorism never served you well. Palestinians may be the only Muslims that got the idea that creating trouble for innocent people only cements the power of your enemies, so they stopped doing terrorism long ago and now have gained vast favours in the international community. In fact the Palestinians may soon win their war when sufficiently many nations stop supporting Israel. And all of this was achieved without acting like a societal cancer like you want to.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >only genuine resistance to usury
            bunch of bullcrap, show flag and I'll show you how your country partakes in usury on the daily.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            fair, but your target should be the US, not europe. UK or france if anything, the rest are innocent

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I mentioned this in an earlier post. Spain and Europe in general is not our enemy. The US is.
            Even France or the UK aren't our enemies, because they can do very little on their own.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >...option if the West stays out of Muslim countries
            So your solution is to go live the big bad West that can't stay out of muslim countries? Not the smartest ideal. This whole ideal that the West is causing all your problems is bullshit anyways. We just had a whole conversation that shows some other factors that might be contributing to your problems. You know things like "maintaining tribal ties[incest]."

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Internal issues don't negate external issues. Both have to be tackled simultaneously.
            The primary problem with Muslims has always been the customs we adapt from outsiders.
            This has led to weakness again and again. Our biggest weakness now is bureaucratic fiqh.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Internal issues
            Years of inbreeding and a backward easily debunkable cult. I dont envy you, that's for sure.

            > external issues
            caused by your internal issues. islam has always been a threat through out history since it began. There was a small period of that islam conflicts were only internal. That has not been the case over the last 70+ years though.

            > Muslims has always been the customs we adapt from outsiders.
            What customs are you even talking about? Our technology, or are you mad that gays are not killed just because they are dirty degenerates.?

            Not you specifically, since you're probably doing nothing. Your state definitely is. Your state is trying to wipe out Islam. The natural response is to wipe out your state.

            >since you're probably doing nothing
            I'm tearing up a koran right now(for real I have a koran and I tearing a page out of it right now). If your cult had control of my country what would have done to me?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That doesn't mean it doesn't come with certain benefits.
            lol. Sounds like cocaine.

            >Some new arrivals in the city... siblings are the only people they know and can trust with their child.
            Incest might cause your family line to cease and or cause mental and physical disabilities that others have to deal with but at least they know each other in a strange country that they shouldn't be in in the first place. I think I've learn enough about your amazing islamic culture. Very enlightening.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm talking about new arrivals to cities, not to different countries.
            It's easy to criticize when you don't accept responsibility for getting 100% of your population into a stable marriage.
            Once you adopt that goal, you have to account for a different set of costs and benefits.

            Everyone I know would pale if I told them I was marrying a cousin of any degree. That's heavily frowned upon not only for the genetics but because it's an admission that you are a weirdo with no possibility of reproducing normally within society. Muslims take a massive L with all that cousin marriage business.

            You don't live in a tribal society. You probably live in a city, where the people in closest proximity to you and that you trust the most are your friends and colleagues, not your extended family. Do you even know or keep in contact with your extended family?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I know people from all possible urbanization levels. None of them would speak again to me if I said I was marrying my cousin.
            >Do you even know or keep in contact with your extended family?
            Yes. Is this guy trying to argue that fricking your cousin is the only way to keep a family together?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The point is that cousin marriage doesn't make sense in your context. What would it achieve? Cultural norms aside, what incentive do you have to marry your cousin? What's on offer? Nothing. Which isn't the case in a tribal context.
            It's not a way to keep your family together. I'm saying your extended family is not your immediate kinship group in an urban context. Your friends and colleagues are. You're more likely to rely on a colleague or a neighbor than on your third cousin. If you get married, it's within that group that you'll look for a mate.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            In Italy the Anglo style nuclear family is rather rare and it is usually caused by extreme circumstances (like, everyone died). We keep contact and kinship with the extended family and I personally would trust my (extended) family first with any important matter before friends and God forbid, colleagues.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How do you keep in contact with them if they all live in different cities and potentially different countries? What's your equivalent of Chinese New Year?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Christmas, Easter, and me visiting whenever I can.
            >chinese new year
            Are you taking the piss?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Do you celebrate Christmas and Easter in your ancestral village? How does it work?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            lmao the ancestral village dude are making fun of me or something? All of my family is in Northwest Italy and I can go around easily as I please. I celebrate Easter and Christmas with them in the "ancestral village" (it's a city). I have a relative who takes 15h flights to attend to family gatherings.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So, you didn't really have to undergo a migration like the people I'm talking about. You don't need institutions to maintain kinship ties. Someone who migrates from Guizhou to Chongqing certainly does.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Guizhou to Chongqing
            These chink examples from you are silly as hell.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you eat ham?
          its mostly true, and im not a mudshit, the chances of getting a fricked up son are very low, but if you are very high iq might be worth the risk

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IQ simply isn't a beneficial trait to have in most regions of the world
        Flag checks out

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          It isn't. It barely is in industrialized nations, since it's not like high IQ people reproduce more. High IQ people allow their societies to reproduce more, but those societies - based on how they're currently configured - don't reproduce more either. Meaning abnormally high IQ by itself isn't useful.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Return to monke for the glory of allah

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >IQ simply isn't a beneficial trait to have in most regions of the world

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    These god damn savages. I'm glad my tax dollars go to droning their weddings and propping up puppet dictators to herd these animals.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >If the alternative is having children with your second or third cousin, yes.
    So the clarification I asked for was whether or not you actually believe that there are no negative consequences if you have children with your cousin. Your response doesn't really clarify that.
    Now I want to address this absurd statement you just made. So you're saying having children with your first cousin is better than having children with your second or third cousins? Am I misunderstanding you?

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm saying that if you breed within a closed pool, i.e. a tribe, the long term consequences are the same whether you breed with your first cousin or your third cousin. You end up with a separate set of mutations from the rest of humanity, which includes unique genetic diseases.
      Sure, only marrying your first cousin in every single generation is worse than occasionally switching it up. Assuming you occasionally switch it up, the consequences are the same.

      I asked "useful to whom"...

      To your society. It increases the likelihood of your genes, or similar genes, being passed on.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >the long term consequences are the same whether you breed with your first cousin or your third cousin
        I was trying to get clarification and I think I got your position for the most part but there is a huge difference if you have children with your first cousin over your third cousin in the long term and short term.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          How? It's the same set of genes circulating within the same group of people. Everyone's inbred either way. If anything, you get more inbred over time, since tribes tend to branch off after a few generations, leaving you with a smaller subset of genes to work with. I guess that's how ethnogenesis happens in tribal areas. Used to happen through inbreeding. Happens now through outbreeding.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's the same set of genes circulating within the same group of people
            Its not the exact same genes and the father apart people are ie third cousin over first cousin, the less likely the chance of a bad mutation. So if you had to chose it would between cousins it would be far better to chose a third cousin over a first cousin. That is just common sense.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Mutations happen in your own genes. Those mutations are then circulated among your reproductive pool. If your reproductive pool is closed, eventually everyone acquires the same genes. The only way your argument would apply is if you married your sister, i.e. you both acquired the same mutation from your father.
            Since the New World doesn't have tribes, and since the Old World is rapidly losing its tribal structure, the best proxy for this is language. How do new languages come into being? How do particular groups develop their unique form of a language? How do those forms spread?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't disagree with most of what you said. Most of what you have posted to me is legit and I fully agree with. You seem to make obvious errors because I believe you are ideologically driven.

            >The only way your argument would apply is if you married your sister
            If I did make an argument if would be this. The closer someone is in relation(parent, sibling, cousin) to another the more likely it is that their children will have abnormalities.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes. Of course. Nothing wrong with that. You're talking about one generation. I'm talking about multiple generations. In every generation, marrying your first cousin leads to the greatest accumulation in mutations, both good and bad. Across multiple generations, it makes very little difference if it's third cousin -> first cousin -> third cousin -> first cousin, or first cousin -> third cousin -> first cousin -> third cousin.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This is also not accounting for the social benefits of marrying a closer relative over marrying a distant relative. It isn't just about mutations. Your brother and your brother's son is more reliable as an ally than your distant relative and your distant relative's son.
            That alone gives people more reason to marry their cousins than some random disease, which hardly matters in areas where people expect to die by the time they're 30, and where there are plenty more mundane diseases to worry about.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            So what I gather from you is that once there is close family relations in one generation its doesn't matter if there are close family relations in the following generations? In other words, the damage has been done already so a little more incest isn't going to hurt. If this is really your position. It's at best misguided and a worse harmful.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            The harm will continue to be done, due to how tribes are structured. There's no possibility of marrying outside your clan, let alone outside your tribe, except in rare cases to cement an alliance. There's no escaping the harm that comes from inbreeding. Not until you move to cities, in which case you're just inbreeding within a larger pool. Most people in the Old World can identify people from particular microregions simply by their appearance, just as we can identify particular regional accents in the US. Or even more locally, just as we can differentiate between someone who posts on /k/ versus someone who posts on /x/ simply based on the words they use.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >due to how tribes are structured
            Okay I need to clear this up I guess. What tribes are you talking about? I know of a lot of tribes and almost all of them were able to avoid heavy amounts of inbreeding. How did they do it? Easy, their are many different tribes. Most tribes seemed to managed not to become inbreed. So which hypothetical tribe are you talking about?

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Tribes how we classify them from an external perspective aren't real, e.g. Yoruba, Igbo, Hausa, Fulani, etc., aren't tribes, but more like nations.
            Actual tribes are more like a few hundred to a few thousand people. Clans are around five generations at most, and tribes are around ten generations at most.
            Most marriages happen within clans, and a minority of them happen within tribes. Marrying unrelated people even within one's ethnic group is very rare.

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Actual tribes are more like a few hundred to a few thousand people.
            These are the tribes types that I was referring to and I'm glad you brought it up. Have you ever heard of the 50/500 rule? Its the ideal that the minimum population size of 50 is needed to prevent inbreeding, and 500 is needed to reduce genetic drift. So when you say stuff like, "Marrying unrelated people even within one's ethnic group is very rare," its just false.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just know that everyone has at least half of their bloodline be made up of cousin-cousin breeding

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      and by everyone I mean everyone on planet earth

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Shut up terrorist. Get ready for another Israeli army beat down like in 2006.

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's normal around here also children are fine mostly I think. They also do testing and shit pre marriage.

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    muslims dont know hygene, they bath in feces and drink camel piss, its funny when they say they brought baths to Europe when Rome had baths 500 and 1000 years prior, infact Rome and Greece literally was continued by Christianity but then stolen by islam. the Basicilis to mosques, the holy Heart Jesus Finger sign to the fake finger sign you see muslims mock, Aeola Capitulina to mosque, Whites literally gave gibs to arabs and the consequence is just homosexuality, lgbt is an eastern making

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How is the weather in Tel Aviv? Or maybe in Mumbai?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Cousin marriage is fine for 1 generation, the problem is if you do it gen after gen, my uncle married his 1st cousin

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      flag checks out cousine fricker du nord Normandie

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Those maps are inaccurate. Says Iran has 40%+ cousin marriages. It's maybe 1 in 20 marriages and generally happens in hotspots, it's not broad across population.
    But Iran is very ethnically diverse because it's a cross roads nation, it only takes another marriage to bring genetic diversity back.
    Europe had the same issue, the Catholic Church banned cousin marriages in an effort to eliminate tribes and it worked but it also fixed genetic disorders.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Europe didn't really have the same issue. Romans banned it nearly 2000 years ago, then the Catholic Church kept the prohibition going.
      They even extended to 7th degree instead of the usual 4th.
      It was only a part of the nobility that kept it in some measure, so a tiny fraction of the European population.
      Enough to say, no, we're not a continent of cousin frickers.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >In Roman Catholicism, all marriages more distant than first-cousin marriages are allowed, and first-cousin marriages can be contracted with a dispensation. This was not always the case, however: the Catholic Church has gone through several phases in kinship prohibitions. At the dawn of Christianity in Roman times, marriages between first cousins were allowed. For example, Emperor Constantine, the first Christian Roman Emperor, married his children to the children of his half-brother. First and second cousin marriages were then banned at the Council of Agde in AD 506, though dispensations sometimes continued to be granted. By the 11th century, with the adoption of the so-called canon-law method of computing consanguinity, these proscriptions had been extended even to sixth cousins, including by marriage. But due to the many resulting difficulties in reckoning who was related to whom, they were relaxed back to third cousins at the Fourth Lateran Council in AD 1215. Pope Benedict XV reduced this to second cousins in 1917, and finally, the current law was enacted in 1983. In Catholicism, close relatives who have married unwittingly without a dispensation can receive an annulment.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Roman civil law prohibited marriages within four degrees of consanguinity.[76] This was calculated by counting up from one prospective partner to the common ancestor, then down to the other prospective partner.[77] Early Medieval Europe continued the late Roman ban on cousin marriage. Under the law of the Catholic Church, couples were also forbidden to marry if they were within four degrees of consanguinity.[78] These laws would severely cripple the existing European kinship structures, replacing them with the smaller nuclear family units.[79]

          >In the 9th century, however, the church raised the number of prohibited degrees to seven and changed the method by which they were calculated. Instead of the former practice of counting up to the common ancestor and then down to the proposed spouse, the new law computed consanguinity by counting only back to the common ancestor.[

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing of what you posted contradicts what I posted. It also mentions the harm of prohibiting cousin marriage, i.e. destroying kinship structures. Cousin marriage in Islam was historically seen as a middle ground between destroying tribes completely as Christianity did, and the israeli practice of incest.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Everyone I know would pale if I told them I was marrying a cousin of any degree. That's heavily frowned upon not only for the genetics but because it's an admission that you are a weirdo with no possibility of reproducing normally within society. Muslims take a massive L with all that cousin marriage business.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >what are the implications for populations with high levels of consanguineous marriage over generations?
    it's not a huge deal as long as you bring in new blood every 3rd generation and avoid 1st cousin marriages when possible

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Muslimbro cope the thread

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Consanguinity is a big problem in the UK among the Pakistani community. There are thousands of disabled children and it is costing our social care system millions each year but of course, nobody mentions it because all cultures are equal.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That webm of the Paki family with around six kids rolling around the floor, waving their heads side to side with unfocused eyes and opened drooling mouths is still doing the rounds on social media.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      The drain on social services, the cognitive depression, the increased violence and aggression, the lowered impulse control eventually entering the gene pool.
      Horrifying.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Why would cousin marriage lead to any of those things?

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Have no consanguineous marriages among my relatives and don't know anyone who has. In general, I'd say it's extremely rare on the ex-USSR space apart from Dagestan (there are many small nations so they have to inter-marry to prevent assimilation) and Tajikistan (but only among older generations, now it's not that common).

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why is a muzzie on ukraine? are you in the russian army or what?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >why is a muzzie on ukraine?
        Because: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatars

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          makes sense, my bad

          I'm Moroccan and two of my grandparents were cousins.
          The consequences are malformations and diseases. Spaniards, especially Andalusians , have high levels of consanguinity.
          Not low IQ like some people claim.

          get out please

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Tajiks and Dagestanis are Muslim so it's not a coincidence.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm Moroccan and two of my grandparents were cousins.
    The consequences are malformations and diseases. Spaniards, especially Andalusians , have high levels of consanguinity.
    Not low IQ like some people claim.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Were you born in Spain?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes I was born in Catalonia.

        makes sense, my bad
        [...]
        get out please

        Get out of Melilla Burqa

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          But your home is just south of spain. Go there and be a nafri.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Shut up, kangaroo. Prisoner inbreed. You live 14,000 km away from me. Do you think I care about your opinion? Let me enjoy my mojito in Marbella.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Yes I was born in Catalonia.
          of course

          >Get out of Melilla Burqa
          i would do it gladly if it meant getting all of your kind the frick out

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          What's the deal with identifying as a Moroccan? You have a case for becoming Spanish so use it. Otherwise just go back.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they are the same as turks in germany, normally, except turks actually were a powerful country a while ago. dont care if he identifies as a spaniard, he should go out regardless

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >dont care if he identifies as a spaniard, he should go out regardless
            Legit position. They are making their bed and may soon lie in it. It's entirely on them.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I won't identify as Spaniard because I don't want to. All the people try to claim me because I'm very successful. When you are successful you are Spanish, and when you fail you are moro. So that's why I won't.

            >Yes I was born in Catalonia.
            of course

            >Get out of Melilla Burqa
            i would do it gladly if it meant getting all of your kind the frick out

            I was born here because you Spaniards were too lazy to work and my father had to come.

            they are the same as turks in germany, normally, except turks actually were a powerful country a while ago. dont care if he identifies as a spaniard, he should go out regardless

            You have moor blood in your veins

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Bring your success to Morocco and frick off. You are good for nothing in Europe.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I will bring it wherever I'm comfortable to.
            As I said. Let me enjoy my mojito in Marbella.

            >I was born here because you Spaniards were too lazy to work and my father had to come.
            i dont blame you of course, not your fault our goverment allows that.

            >You have moor blood in your veins
            i dont give a frick, our percentage is residual, we are not the same

            >we are not the same
            Lucky we are not. And don't want to be confused with one. That's why I always call myself Moroccan.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I hope the spaniards keep bullying you, you never deserved your opportunity and neither your gay servant father did.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good story. Keep it up. It's time to leave your parents home

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't live with my parents and they surely are not slave import trash like you and yours. I can't image being as much as an ungrateful homosexual boy like you.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Idk get a girlfriend or something.
            You are so triggered by everything.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I was born here because you Spaniards were too lazy to work and my father had to come.
            i dont blame you of course, not your fault our goverment allows that.

            >You have moor blood in your veins
            i dont give a frick, our percentage is residual, we are not the same

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ZERO, IT ISN'T EVEN A THING THANKS TO MUSTAFA KEMAL ATATÜRK

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    My people are descendants of mohammed, we've been inbreeding for over a millennium and marriages outside the tribe are frowned upon. My parents are distant relatives (they share the same 7th ancestor). but they're an exception, most of my extended family members are married to either the first or second cousin. but lately younger generations are moving away from such kind of marriages and marrying outside the tribe.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the cia eating the Philippines

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm dating my 2nd cousin, nothing wrong with it

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Reminder that the White Man conquered arabs, White Man is only giving mercy to arabs due to quantum studies. at any time the White Man can be enlightened and shown truth and be able to conquer all again. Greeks gave knowledge and it went to betrayal and made a plague by not nationalizing christianity,, remember that Whites forever own you. and when you sit and leech of Whites, remember that even unenlightened Whites will forever own you, it takes a few White men to conquer the World, even with a default pure mind, but non whites that as a collective can never penetrate nor fully superstratum the White Man. The White Man owns you, you must lick my boots and soles, you must lick the boots of all White men, then I and we will kick you in the face, beat you to a pulp, rip off your feminine hair, break your crescent and conquer you all, tax you all and put you all in concentration camps, killing you all

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    they gotta be wiped out. the inbreeding is causing them to be violent and stupid. low iq and genetic deformities are going to hurt the human race more than anything. islam teaching that cousin marriage is okay, or even preferable. it's a problem with the people and the religion. it must be crushed and destroyed, not bargained with.

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

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