Ethical autist sex consent

I don't really know how to ask this, and I don't really know any other place I could ask that might be appropriate and taken seriously. I've been debating if I should even devolve this information to anyone because frankly I don't know how to approach this, or what should be done.

Let's assume I've been working at an assisted living sorta place for semi independent individuals. Let's say there is this low verbal/short words/speech autist girl that could have some other things like being manic, but not actually moronic and lives there that really likes coming up to me and getting attention, and as of late, seems to be trying to act out sexually towards me more. Let's also assume that the relevant nursing staff, the psychiatrist/therapist, and the adopted parents of this girl have also taken notice of how she's been acting out to me, and that I've come to know them quite well over time working there. Now, let's also say that a few days ago I was quietly asked into a room where those relevant parties were and basically asked in extreme confidence if I would have some sort of sexual encounter with the autist girl and they believe it is something she wants to do, and would be beneficial for her at this point in her life. They would say as well that I'm completely not obliged to partake in this, but if I agreed would make arrangements on my behalf, "fix her up" for the event, and make sure that this would never be known to other future peoples and would be a strick secret, minus the two female aids that work with me and also agree and know the situation. It would also be private, and birth control is taken care of. The family has also informed me of a financial incentive if this goes forward. For the record she looks like just some e girlish sorta goth girl that hasn't changed her pajamas in a few days.

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    2/2

    My question is this, is this ethical or these people not thinking clearly on behalf of another? Is this a bad fricking idea, or am I over thinking the variables and she's allowed to consent to this experience? Could this potentially get me caught in a bad situation that could make things worse for everyone involved? Is this crazy? I don't know what else to say other than what I've said so far, and it's like the devil and angel on my shoulders right now.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/EBLtVWY.jpeg

      I don't really know how to ask this, and I don't really know any other place I could ask that might be appropriate and taken seriously. I've been debating if I should even devolve this information to anyone because frankly I don't know how to approach this, or what should be done.

      Let's assume I've been working at an assisted living sorta place for semi independent individuals. Let's say there is this low verbal/short words/speech autist girl that could have some other things like being manic, but not actually moronic and lives there that really likes coming up to me and getting attention, and as of late, seems to be trying to act out sexually towards me more. Let's also assume that the relevant nursing staff, the psychiatrist/therapist, and the adopted parents of this girl have also taken notice of how she's been acting out to me, and that I've come to know them quite well over time working there. Now, let's also say that a few days ago I was quietly asked into a room where those relevant parties were and basically asked in extreme confidence if I would have some sort of sexual encounter with the autist girl and they believe it is something she wants to do, and would be beneficial for her at this point in her life. They would say as well that I'm completely not obliged to partake in this, but if I agreed would make arrangements on my behalf, "fix her up" for the event, and make sure that this would never be known to other future peoples and would be a strick secret, minus the two female aids that work with me and also agree and know the situation. It would also be private, and birth control is taken care of. The family has also informed me of a financial incentive if this goes forward. For the record she looks like just some e girlish sorta goth girl that hasn't changed her pajamas in a few days.

      Any help pls? I don't want to make a stupid decision here..

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        2/2

        My question is this, is this ethical or these people not thinking clearly on behalf of another? Is this a bad fricking idea, or am I over thinking the variables and she's allowed to consent to this experience? Could this potentially get me caught in a bad situation that could make things worse for everyone involved? Is this crazy? I don't know what else to say other than what I've said so far, and it's like the devil and angel on my shoulders right now.

        https://i.imgur.com/EBLtVWY.jpeg

        I don't really know how to ask this, and I don't really know any other place I could ask that might be appropriate and taken seriously. I've been debating if I should even devolve this information to anyone because frankly I don't know how to approach this, or what should be done.

        Let's assume I've been working at an assisted living sorta place for semi independent individuals. Let's say there is this low verbal/short words/speech autist girl that could have some other things like being manic, but not actually moronic and lives there that really likes coming up to me and getting attention, and as of late, seems to be trying to act out sexually towards me more. Let's also assume that the relevant nursing staff, the psychiatrist/therapist, and the adopted parents of this girl have also taken notice of how she's been acting out to me, and that I've come to know them quite well over time working there. Now, let's also say that a few days ago I was quietly asked into a room where those relevant parties were and basically asked in extreme confidence if I would have some sort of sexual encounter with the autist girl and they believe it is something she wants to do, and would be beneficial for her at this point in her life. They would say as well that I'm completely not obliged to partake in this, but if I agreed would make arrangements on my behalf, "fix her up" for the event, and make sure that this would never be known to other future peoples and would be a strick secret, minus the two female aids that work with me and also agree and know the situation. It would also be private, and birth control is taken care of. The family has also informed me of a financial incentive if this goes forward. For the record she looks like just some e girlish sorta goth girl that hasn't changed her pajamas in a few days.

        Don't do it. She sounds like shes developmentally disabled, and a legal argument could be made that she coundt consent as she doesnt/didnt develop normally. You would be taking advantage of someone whether its your intention or not, and it could cause more mania in her.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        So... are you a prostitute or a doctor?
        Are you fine if she tics and it draws blood or hurts ANY part of you?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Honestly, this is a very odd situation. I did some heavy digging online (for the fun of it) and mostly found:
      - Info about how elderly homes also need sexual activity
      - Details on how/why sexual context should be discouraged between patients in assisted living and potentially consequences for failing to do so.
      Honestly reading those makes the lack of her giving consent or how she was taught about her "no no place" a non-issue, I feel. She can very much give consent, but just might not be able to communicate it effectively (not talking about law, thats a whole other issue).
      This is the only source I found which discusses this: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7464764/
      I really don't know what to make of it other than the people at the care acknowledging that "yes these people also need sex and if we did something about that, their lives might be better".

      Honestly, I would say "go for it", however:
      - Double down and ask that everyone agrees with this and there would be no legal consequences.
      - Tell the staff, that once you get into a commited relationship you are probably not gonna be able to "pleasure her" anymore, but might still be around to help, which could be horrible for her, not to mention potnetially hurting some feelings that might already be there.
      If all involved parties give the go even after talking to them about this, then request that you first want to privately talk to her about this and see how she responds initially. If she seems willing and can communicate that in some way, then go for it and frick her, If she can't or if you feel the slightest bit of suspicion from the caretakers/etc, then bail.
      Anyway I think you should fugg the autismo, might be fun, might be too much, but scout ahead a bit more, I say.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Holy frick thank you so much anon for the detailed response and points, I'm definitely going to remember those for tomorrow morning when I meet up with them. Very clear response I appreciate it. And yes I also saw and heard of groups and things of even moronic people getting sex because they deserve it according to professionals that work with them. Although I don't really agree with that level of cognitive issues being able to consent. Thanks again though anon, much appreciated.

        >incidents
        What do you mean anon?

        I mean at least obviously for the last month or so, everytime, including today, I either get her alone or give her exclusive attention she will eventually try and touch me in areas that anyone else would consider basically sexual assault. She also has tried to kiss me numerous times and get many hugs and when she does put her head in my chest and hold me tighter and rubs against me, pushing her breast's into me obviously, and just kinda grin or smile and use her one or two word sent to see how I react, sometimes laughinga little when she looks in at me and for example when she was going to touch my inner thigh. Others like I said have also noticed this, which I'm thankful for because I was worried when it first started occurring. So it is obviously again, not without precedent. Or out of nowhere

        Honestly this sounds like larp or trap. I would stay clear.

        It's not, believe what you want

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      > Now, let's also say that a few days ago I was quietly asked into a room where those relevant parties were and basically asked in extreme confidence if I would have some sort of sexual encounter with the autist girl and they believe it is something she wants to do, and would be beneficial for her at this point in her life.
      No, and there's no way, at whatever place you're working, that they would let this fly. 1. You're taking advantage of a person who's likely incapable of consenting to a sexual act with you from a legal point of you, 2. Your relationship to her is purely professional. Not only would you take advantage of her, you would be breaching your own professional codex. Again, we're not talking about some random "autistic" girl. We're talking about someone who's disabled to the point where she's institutionalized.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      [...]

      Any help pls? I don't want to make a stupid decision here..

      What kind of cult did you join, anon? "Preparing her"? Keeping it secret? Give the girl a dildo first, not even talking about the fact that she has apparently little to no other men in her life, so of course this tard clings to you - nope out, anon, don't put your dick in there

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She already got and has been having a magic wand I said earlier and she still has been expressing wanting more, according to her and her psychiatrist, sister/best friend, and female aids she talks to.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      dont be a woman, just do it bro. You'll regret not doing it

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The main issue you should be thinking about is whether or not you are going to run into any legal problems. She's not actually moronic and clearly needs this type of attention like every human being on earth, depriving her of it for the rest of her life also wouldn't do any good.

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    moronic and worthless atheists are going to tell you "just do it bro". But the moral thing to do would be to get married to her, and then sex her. But you don't care about morality do you? ahahahahah NO ONE THESE DAYS DOES. There is absolutely no hope and I was born in the worst time period in human history. I wish I was never born.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >But you don't care about morality do you? ahahahahah NO ONE THESE DAYS DOES
      i don't like woke people but they'd all say this is immoral and literally rape

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >There is absolutely no hope and I was born in the worst time period in human history. I wish I was never born.
      duh? expecting the mass population to be anything more than virtue signalling spineless pieces of shits is moronic. Go fricking cry about it some more or learn to just care about what affects you and act based upon that info.

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >depriving her of it for the rest of her life also wouldn't do any good.
    No one has ever gotten in trouble for not doing it though. Only ever for doing it.
    I guess if you're certain she is ok with it then it is alright.

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds like a fricking trap dude I'd be worried as frick ending up in front of a judge
    >Now boy did you rape a mute moron
    >Her momma said I could judge
    FRICK that if she wants sex she can ask

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >FRICK that if she wants sex she can ask
      This. You need consent from her. Not a bunch of other people.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        yeah there's gotta be some way to communicate with her

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Now boy did you rape a mute moron
      >Her momma said I could judge
      Holy fricking kek

      To OP: if she was at all capable and let outside (I assume she is since it’s semi assisted living, more on that later) I think she would’ve been able to get a guy to frick her. On the other hand, semi assisted means she’s not fully capable and independent for it. Is she being treated or housed? If she is treated and the people wanting you to do this are real, certified doctors and medical professionals, then I would consider this on the frontier of medicine. They wouldn’t suggest it if they didn’t think it could be productive or too risky and she rejects it. You haven’t been flirtatious with her have you? If the staff think so it could very well be a trap to see if you would have sex with a patient. If it’s housing, stay away. She is determined to be incurable and can’t assimilate. I do find this interesting? I have never heard this kind of treatment but it’s incredibly exciting. She is by all accounts a femcel.

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She can go outside and there are aids and workers, like myself to help if the need arises. I would describe it as sorta both housed and treated because they have activities and nursing staff aids give meds on schedules for those that need it and those who wouldnt take them if not helped or reminded. Also like twice a week they'll take the capable ones in like a shopping trip to get snacks and all sith their allowence to the store. She doesn't really do that and actually only goes sometimes if im helping because she gets nervous being out a lot and can get overwhelmed it seems. Again, the relevant parties went over this with me and were doing everything the could to assure me I wouldn't be doing something wrong and this is something she would want. And no, I have not been flirtatious at all as there is strick rules and I've known that and before this was brought up wouldn't do something like that because of real issues that could happen. I am though of course, friendly and nice to her as I can be when she comes up around me and I'll let her show me her playing Zelda or some video she likes. She's the one that has been touching me though and have had some incidents that my coworkers have also seen that they've told her to chill and just played it off like she's silly to not make a huge deal of it. If I had to describe her, she's not moronic, she's a low verbal autist with probably a few other personality disorders. She's like that orange haired girl from that movie The 5th element, she acts and talks just like her with some autism sprinkled in.

        larp thread

        Not a large, but it's not like I can convince you

        I'd nope the frick out of this type of situation.
        Just knowing that other people are involved and will be "prepping" her for the sex part, like some kind of ritual, gives me the creeps.

        I know what you're saying and this thought has crossed my mind, but I'm pretty sure what they mean by fixing her up/prepping her is informing her im allowed to touch her no-no area, she can mess with mine without worrying, and that they would just be making she's got clean attire on and relevant hygiene.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          if this is not a larp then why are you even contemplating it
          you are definitely being dishonest about something

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >is informing her im allowed to touch her no-no area
          The fact that they have to tell her this and she doesn't just want it from the start is a major red flag that she isn't the one consenting.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ya this

            She can go outside and there are aids and workers, like myself to help if the need arises. I would describe it as sorta both housed and treated because they have activities and nursing staff aids give meds on schedules for those that need it and those who wouldnt take them if not helped or reminded. Also like twice a week they'll take the capable ones in like a shopping trip to get snacks and all sith their allowence to the store. She doesn't really do that and actually only goes sometimes if im helping because she gets nervous being out a lot and can get overwhelmed it seems. Again, the relevant parties went over this with me and were doing everything the could to assure me I wouldn't be doing something wrong and this is something she would want. And no, I have not been flirtatious at all as there is strick rules and I've known that and before this was brought up wouldn't do something like that because of real issues that could happen. I am though of course, friendly and nice to her as I can be when she comes up around me and I'll let her show me her playing Zelda or some video she likes. She's the one that has been touching me though and have had some incidents that my coworkers have also seen that they've told her to chill and just played it off like she's silly to not make a huge deal of it. If I had to describe her, she's not moronic, she's a low verbal autist with probably a few other personality disorders. She's like that orange haired girl from that movie The 5th element, she acts and talks just like her with some autism sprinkled in.
            [...]
            Not a large, but it's not like I can convince you
            [...]
            I know what you're saying and this thought has crossed my mind, but I'm pretty sure what they mean by fixing her up/prepping her is informing her im allowed to touch her no-no area, she can mess with mine without worrying, and that they would just be making she's got clean attire on and relevant hygiene.

            also if she's not functional enough to understand what intimacy or intimate relationships are, I don't see how this would help her developmentally at all

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I don't know if you've read any of my initial posts but I've been assured by multiple individuals close to her she wants this and she very clearly acts out sexually to me trying to get my reaction and I assume getting me to do something back in return. They use the no-no term just as a catch all term for her when she doesn't realize shes doing something inappropriate or for other people towards her. But again, I get the point. Which is why I'm thinking of ways when I meet tomorrow with them about my decision on how I can get more direct conformation even though they've said it's fine to me.

            [...]
            >That's something I'm thinking of working our, I mean I would be asking and guiding the situation anyways like we sorta went over anyways.
            Teach her sign language, I've read that many non verbal autists can learn to speak through it.
            Your have to learn it too obviously.
            If you don't do this you aren't serious about consent and you should just not do it

            This is actually an excellent idea and she can draw and already write a little bit and does hand stuff for stimulation already. I will consider this tomorrow. I was originally if I did this just going to ask her about sex and feelings and all when we're alone and see if she wants to proceed and if she's being okay with it. But I'm seeing before the time would be more preferable as well.

            ya this
            [...]
            also if she's not functional enough to understand what intimacy or intimate relationships are, I don't see how this would help her developmentally at all

            She recognizes romance and couples I can tell you that much. I think because she's been very sexual these last few months and along with the actions towards me and what they know from her, she should be allowed to experience this as an adult that's still a kissless virgin.

            It seems unlikely that you're going to get in any trouble over this, given that anyone who might have a problem with it has already told you it's okay. I think the key question is, how does the girl feel about it? Is she really that enthusiastic (and the others have simply picked up on that) or are they misinterpreting her? So long as *she* is enthusiastic about it, and so long as you take things *very* slowly, and give her plenty of opportunities to change her mind at any point along the way, I don't think there are really any ethical issues.

            Except... I do have to wonder what will happen if she ends up falling in love with you? I assume getting into anything resembling a relationship with her is not on the cards. Does she really understand that? What if she thinks she understands that, but ends up falling for you anyway? That's worth thinking about.

            That's what I've basically told myself all day today and as good as she can express herself so far she at the least wants to kiss and touch me, like what happened today working there. I would of course be doing consent the whole way and making sure she's okay.

            As for your other problem you brought up. I'm going to address this in an upcoming post because I see this as a huge potential hurdle long term.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >incidents
          What do you mean anon?

  6. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Ask a lawyer

  7. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you are being set up my guy.

    you will be at an arraignment within 2 weeks if you go through with fricking her

    is she bad tho?

  8. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    larp thread

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      why does this come so late in this thread, why are ppl so goddamn gullible

      op what sort of absurd trolley problem is that now

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Not a trolley problem at all anon just asking advice because I don't know how to approach this.

        And for anyone else if im being quite frank the financial aspect is quite alluring to me in my current personal situation.

  9. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'd nope the frick out of this type of situation.
    Just knowing that other people are involved and will be "prepping" her for the sex part, like some kind of ritual, gives me the creeps.

  10. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >Ethical autist sex consent
    Yeah autists can consent to sex.
    The question is if normalgays can, because they spontaneously experience emotions in the moment, use those emotions to "decide" who they're attracted to or if they're interested in sex, then make excuses for it later.
    But if the law considers them capable of consent, then autists are capable of that too.
    >but if I agreed would make arrangements on my behalf, "fix her up" for the event
    THAT's grooming, she can't consent to that. Red flag, abort.

  11. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The problem with autist girls is they mask their real feelings. They mask them so hard, that they rarely know how to verbalise it at all. If you thought normie women were neurotic about ‘fitting in’, the autist girl is extremely neurotic about this.

    If you approach for sex, she will most likely go awkward, quiet, zone out with a glazed look in her eye and awkwardly give you a hesitant “okay..”.

    This is danger territory for you my friend. Because you’ll then have awkwardly unsatisfying sex and within months the autist girl will reconcile her feelings that she didn’t actually want it, and she’ll delude herself that she had been raped. And then you’ll hear about it.

  12. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why do they believe it would be beneficial for her at this point in her life?
    did they try getting her a vibrator first?
    it seems weird to 'set up' a whole thing, I say if she can't clearly consent herself I wouldn't touch it (for both legal and moral reasons)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Sorry for late responses, I've been working there all day and been around her

      Yes, they got her some type of vibrator according to her therapist and sister a while back because she was acting out and not knowing how to keep that private.
      By "set up" they basically mean make a date I can go and they'll make sure she's aware I'm coming and can do things if she wants with me without being worries, and that she's got proper hygiene, clothes she likes etc.

      I would get out of there quick
      You'll be filmed and they'll make moron porn out of you and you'll never be able to do anything about it. They'll have dirt on you and at any time they'll be able to coerce you into more and more degenerate stuff.
      Why can't people be fricking normal, Jesus Christ almighty, if you want sex just hire a hooker, don't even think about "le secret sex therapy with an autistic moron". Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, this world is fricked.

      I understand where you are coming from, but apparently this is not as uncommon as I've thought I've found out

      if this is not a larp then why are you even contemplating it
      you are definitely being dishonest about something

      I'm literally telling the truth about anything I know so far, the reason I'm contemplating it is pretty self explanatory I think anon

      [...]
      [...]
      Don't do it. She sounds like shes developmentally disabled, and a legal argument could be made that she coundt consent as she doesnt/didnt develop normally. You would be taking advantage of someone whether its your intention or not, and it could cause more mania in her.

      OK so this is one of my main concerns even though I've been throughly informed by multiple people within her circle, and to an extent, the autist girl herself trying to molest me/kiss me numerous times, that this is fine. I think I'm going to attempt to get some sort of clearer consent beforehand. She actually isn't moronic and does know what's going on but doesn't know how to speak well at all, and/or gets stimulation issues in normal social interactions and acts out on autist impulses most of the time. She can actually do like math and read and all that. It would be harder to believe if you interacted with her in person, but it's there. I wouldn't be even considering this at all and would have flat out refused if I thought she was too oblivious and underdeveloped to such an extent that it would clearly be illegal/unethical, no matter how big her boobs are qt she might actually be under all the autism.

      >low verbal/short words/speech
      So she can talk then right?
      Idk anon I guess if she can verbally consent to it. If she can't then maybe that acting out isn't really saying she wants you but more of a tick or torrettes. I think the female aids being there is a good idea for her safety but hopefully they are with her 100% of the time, idk it just seems like something she could quickly not want to actually do once you're about to do it but feel obligated to.
      But I guess there are women like this idk just going about in life being used by people. Would you ever want to date her? Or marry her? It sounds like you wouldn't. And she probably does not want a one night stand in reality, she probably wants a bf and a husband. But it also sounds like her parents don't v want that c for her and she probably can't deal with that either.

      She can talk but it's very nerve racking for her to do more than a few words at a time. Like I mentioned she acts just like that girl from the 5th element movie if anyone's familiar with it. But yes, I also worry that a one or two time experience could hurt her because in her head I'm her bf now. I'm asking this tomorrow.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Listen, OP, please. What you’re about to do is a mistake and a grave one at that. The reason you made the thread and have painfully mulled it over and over is because in the back of your head, you know it’s a bad idea.

        And I can tell you precisely why. You admitted:
        >Let's assume I've been working at an assisted living sorta place for semi independent individuals.

        Now pretend you’re her parents. Sending their mentally disordered daughter to a residence where she can receive help and support. And then the people working there take turns with her, fricking her brains out instead. Sound ‘ethical’ to you?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          cont.
          Oh and inb4 you mention that her adoptive parents may or may not have greenlit it, if they did, you’re in even deeper shit. Because then it’s most likely a trap. That ‘financial incentive’ is a dead giveaway. They will allow you to frick her so they get a nice juicy lawsuit that they got from your gullibility.
          If you ever wondered why this autist girl is so fricked in the head, look no further than her parents.

          You’re fricked either way if you go through with this.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh and lastly, fricking lastly OP?
            You even know it’s fricked. You wrote:
            >if I agreed would make arrangements on my behalf, "fix her up" for the event, and make sure that this would never be known to other future peoples and would be a strick secret, minus the two female aids that work with me and also agree and know the situation.

            >Strict secret

            The fact you’d want it all wrapped up and secret and the other workers covering your ass is because you know it’s fricked up. We had a case like yours where I live. Caretakers fricking their patients, nurses and other minders not saying a peep.

            There’s a word for this, it’s called “Scandal”. And when word breaks that there exists a residency for the mentally challenged where the workers frick their patients, your life will be over. Do not engage

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Listen I completely understand what you're trying to say and this has been my initial reactions like what the frick are they serious and really asking me this question. So I get where you are coming from. Only thing I can say is that happening from my point of view seems so far out of left field for them to do given our relationship so far and how they've always interacted with me. But I will definitely think what you're saying and consider this, especially tomorrow morning when I talk with them all again.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Talk with a lawyer, not the weird cabal at your work that’s literally pimping out a mentally deficient lower functioning autist to the staff members and keeping it all clandestine.

            Look if you’re going to be this naïve and gullible at least do yourself a solid - RECORD EVERYTHING these people are telling you. Sneak audio rec from your phone. You are going to need it, big time.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This. This place could, probably is, basically treating their business like a tard brothel. They want to bring you in on it.

            Don't, not only because it's morally wrong but also because it will land people in jail, hopefully sooner rather than later if this is whats happening.

  13. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just film her doing the consent.
    We are in 2024 isn't it?

  14. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I would get out of there quick
    You'll be filmed and they'll make moron porn out of you and you'll never be able to do anything about it. They'll have dirt on you and at any time they'll be able to coerce you into more and more degenerate stuff.
    Why can't people be fricking normal, Jesus Christ almighty, if you want sex just hire a hooker, don't even think about "le secret sex therapy with an autistic moron". Jesus Christ, Jesus Christ, this world is fricked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      As an autistic moron, I would very much enjoy le secret sex therapy

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    bruh

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >low verbal/short words/speech
    So she can talk then right?
    Idk anon I guess if she can verbally consent to it. If she can't then maybe that acting out isn't really saying she wants you but more of a tick or torrettes. I think the female aids being there is a good idea for her safety but hopefully they are with her 100% of the time, idk it just seems like something she could quickly not want to actually do once you're about to do it but feel obligated to.
    But I guess there are women like this idk just going about in life being used by people. Would you ever want to date her? Or marry her? It sounds like you wouldn't. And she probably does not want a one night stand in reality, she probably wants a bf and a husband. But it also sounds like her parents don't v want that c for her and she probably can't deal with that either.

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >That's something I'm thinking of working our, I mean I would be asking and guiding the situation anyways like we sorta went over anyways.
    Teach her sign language, I've read that many non verbal autists can learn to speak through it.
    Your have to learn it too obviously.
    If you don't do this you aren't serious about consent and you should just not do it

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It seems unlikely that you're going to get in any trouble over this, given that anyone who might have a problem with it has already told you it's okay. I think the key question is, how does the girl feel about it? Is she really that enthusiastic (and the others have simply picked up on that) or are they misinterpreting her? So long as *she* is enthusiastic about it, and so long as you take things *very* slowly, and give her plenty of opportunities to change her mind at any point along the way, I don't think there are really any ethical issues.

    Except... I do have to wonder what will happen if she ends up falling in love with you? I assume getting into anything resembling a relationship with her is not on the cards. Does she really understand that? What if she thinks she understands that, but ends up falling for you anyway? That's worth thinking about.

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly this sounds like larp or trap. I would stay clear.

  20. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    OP here. As some of you have asked I also have my one other huge glaring issue. I am worried after doing the deed once or twice she will basically believe I'm her romantic partner and boyfriend at that point. And honestly being real, yeah no a relationship would not be in the cards with her unfortunately, it's just not possible for me atm. I would of course still treat her nicely and be kind when I'm there working around her, but I do worry she'll see it as I don't want her anymore and I'm not in a relationship with her and hurt her feelings from taking her virginity and doing sexual acts to pretending everything is fine and I just go back to normal. I realize she is still a girl in there, and she has feminine romantic aspirations I'm sure of, and I would hate to hurt her long term so I'm going to address this with them because it seems like an obvious potential problem.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      if she's a woman , she'll want more novelty eventually

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I’m a nurse aide in assisted living for the elderly and I cannot believe how this entire thread seems to have been focused entirely on her capabilities, or lack thereof, and skimming over the fact that you’re a worker at her facility. This would be so much different if you were a family friend or even a complete stranger, but I 100% do not recommend breaching the staff-resident boundary. Absolutely the frick not. Even if you’re like a cleaner or a food server or a sitter and not wiping people’s asses, you can’t do that. I wouldn’t even be surprised if you went back into your onboarding paperwork, there’d be clauses about boundaries with the residents. There’s an inappropriate power dynamic at play and it’s a red flag that her caretakers are okay with that. If her parents think she needs to have sex, they can arrange ways for her to interact with people in the right environment. Someone who’s paid to help take care of her should not approach her like that, even if she wants it and she’s conscious about it. Considering that managers can’t even frick their subordinates, assisted living workers should not be fricking the people they’re paid to care for.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        This so much this. Its very bad and the family pushing anon to do this is beyond fricked if its true

  21. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Honestly OP this got MUCH sketchier the moment other people got involved to arrange you screwing her

  22. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    I wouldn't do this because it's involved in your work. This is your regular day to day income, I think it's a terrible idea to mix something like this in. You should also just assume that the information will become public somehow, someday

  23. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm no expert, but the way you describe her in this thread, she seems capable of consent. I just think that you working at the place she lives is pretty ethically dubious.

  24. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The incapacitated have full right to a fulfilling sexual life in the context of institutionalized care of any kind.
    Denying them sexual agency is denying their humanity, and is abhorrent to basic human decency.

    As a carer you have the moral duty of doing your best to accomplish the total development of the woman experience of this person.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Lol you trying to get OP to lose his job and reputation on purpose?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >OP to lose his job and reputation on purpose?
        OP is dutch. Your barbaric Anglo, misogynist moral codes that treat woman as cattle don't apply.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          i know you’re trolling but it would be hilarious if you weren’t
          >misogynist moral codes that treat woman as cattle don't apply.
          >proceeds to pimp out mentally deficient patients to staff members as if they were cattle

          Wonder what the ‘financial incentive’ was that OP mentioned.

  25. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    YAI’s Sexual Consent
    Determination Tool
    • Indicator #1
    The individual has an awareness of the nature of the sexual act
    under consideration and of having the choice to engage in or
    abstain from the type of sexual contact under consideration.
    • It is important to keep in mind The Difference Between Affection and
    a Sexual Act. Physical Affection such as a Hug or a Peck on the Cheek
    or Lips DOES NOT Require the Ability to Give Consent, just a
    Willing Partner.

    • Indicator #2
    The person has an understanding of how to prevent unwanted
    pregnancy and diseases which are sexually transmitted.
    • Indicator #3
    The person has an understanding of the need for restriction of
    sexual behavior as to time, place, or behavior. (For Example:
    Public vs. Private, Leisure vs. Work, School or Program Time.)
    Remember To
    • Speak with your loved one’s Medicaid Service Coordinator
    (MSC) about Sexual Consent Determination when the person is
    approaching age Seventeen or if they are older than Seventeen.
    • Request a copy of the Relationship and Sexuality Consent Policy
    of any agency you are involved with. (Including the School)
    Indicator #4
    The person has an understanding that certain sexual activities are
    against the law and could result in or have dire consequences.
    • Indicator #5
    The person has an understanding of being at risk in a potentially
    harmful/abusive/exploitive sexual situation and is capable of
    making a reasonable plan for removing him/herself in the
    situation

    read this OP:https://www.yai.org/sites/default/files/documents/autism_conference_4.12.2018_nc_1.pptx.pdf

    Of course this varies from state to state country to country

  26. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Your problem here is not morality and maybe not even legality; your problem is ethics. This woman is perfectly capable of consenting to sex and clearly wants you; that's all good. But you have a duty of care; your job is looking after her. So,, this is not the equivalent of a guy having sex with a woman who fancies him: this is the equivalent of a doctor having sex with a patient, or a schoolteacher having sex with an 18-year-old pupil; it doesn't matter if the patient consents, it's still an ethical violation for the doctor to do it.

    Imagine for the moment that you're the parent of another patient at the assisted living place, and you find out that one of the staff in the home is having sex with one of the patients he is responsible for looking after; how do you feel about that? What would you demand that management do about it? How much publicity would you generate if they didn't do anything?

    Once it becomes public (and it will, because the girl herself won't be able to keep it a secret), the people in charge of the place will have no choice but to fire you, and tell any other prospective employer why they fired you; so you won't only lose your job, you'll never work in the sector again.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      yes but, what other chance is she going to have? She clearly does not like anyone else, what are they going to do? Hire some guy off the street? Autistic people have the right to have sex.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Autistic people have the right to have sex.
        Yes, but not with people who are employed to look after them. Like I said, it's a matter of professional ethics, not morality.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          again, who else will she have sex with?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >again, who else will she have sex with?
            If necessary, no one. The fact that OP has a duty of care towards her means it *can't* be him; even if there is no one else, it still can't be him.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      This anon has it in one. It's outright unethical, full stop. It might be theraputic, and the various other carers might feel the circumstances are good, but dude, COVER YOUR ASS.

      If she's into you, she's probably also romantically as well as sexually interested. But, you're not a Sex Therapist [https://www.cosrt.org.uk/], you're a person they (hypothetically) think is trustworthy and sensitive to her. You've not been trained for this.

      Are there no sex therapists? Can you not get in consultation with one?

      On the hypothetical that you are considering it, regardless of ethics, GET IT IN WRITING. If her carers are willing to put their names to it and a) pay you in the event you get exposed and b) legally absolve you of potential malicious intent, they're probably not going to frick you over.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Even if its in writing it won't matter, because OP is in a position where he has a duty of care. All it would show is he put his name down to go and betray that duty. Even if he victimizes himself or exposes the parents and the complacent nurses, he's still the fool who should have known better, but chose not to. Matter of a fact, he'll still catch most of the heat since it'd be his wiener in her.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          "If I go down, I'll take you with me."

          I didn't say it was a good idea, honestly, it's a fricking awful one. However, I know for a fact that people make terrible decisions for what they think are good reasons.

          I think the most ethical decision would be to:
          Outright say no, but be willing to work with the woman to improve communication skills and introduce the ideas of: consent, relationships, developing feelings, platonic intimacy, and get an expert sex or relationship therapist involved.
          At best the parents are trying to do their best for their daughter, same with the carers, with what resources they have at hand. AT BEST.
          However, this is NSFFW, and I never assume an OP will make the best decision.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >However, this is NSFFW, and I never assume an OP will make the best decision.

            Same. I honestly think he’s wrangling her with his indecisive pecker rn as we speak and he won’t show up to his own thread again out of the immense confusing shame his post nut clarity is gonna give him.

            Ah well, good luck to him. I hope he knows that residential housing nurses are fricking gossips, notoriously so. Only a matter of time until word gets out. Also lol

            >He thinks the autist who doesnt understand any social boundaries is going to respect the boundary of secrets.

            She’s gonna be REEing about what happened with OP the moment she realises he isnt going to date her.

  27. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't get why this thread isn't being deleted. Mods like srsly just forward this guy's IP to the police and get that brothel/asylum shut down like what the frick?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      stfu jannie

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      here I'm not gone or forgetting this thread I've just been mulling over the questions and talked to both the girl directly in private and got actual legal advise after I talked with all the relevant parties again like before I said I was going to do. I will make a post, but posts from anons like this made me almost want to delete the thread and one of my main issues here I thought about when bringing this up. People not seeing it in the context I do and going ahead and assuming they're grooming institutionalized patients for people to frick, which is not the case at all. I will make an updated post below.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mean to say *OP here*

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >assuming they're grooming institutionalized patients for people to frick

        Also there’s no assumptions, that’s exactly what it is bro. Let’s review some key things:
        - You work as a caretaker/minder
        - You are about to frick a resident patient
        - You are trying to set this up with people who are not her
        - You even spoke of financial incentives either to her relevant guardians, or them giving you money
        - You speak of secrecy and keeping things quiet
        - You even talk to the group of people trying to set this up privately, asking them to “prepare her” and dress her all up

        If this isn’t fricking grooming I don’t know what is.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          glad we settled you dont know what grooming is

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Mean to say *OP here*

        Again, OP here, I feel like I need to clarify some big glaring issues many people are bringing up about this may skew their reasoning and wonder the legality of this. I understand you all are not here with me in reality so you have a picture of the situation in your mind with the girl, and yo some it's seeming like I'm trying to see if I can bang some groomed moronic institutionalized mongoloid autist girl that is completely nonfunctional and I'm a special caretaker for her that holds her hand while I guide her through day to day functions and activities. I want to be clear, that is not the case and if it was something like that I wouldn't be even pondering this question and would have dropped this like a rock the second this was brought up for as a hypothetical situation.

        The place she's at, at least the main part she's in, functions like an apartment where the people essentially are independent but have some help and resources if they require it. She can basically do whatever she wants in there and she does. She can cook some small meals, do her clothes(when she's not being lazy), clean up, shower and wipe her own ass just as a regular person would do. I want to make it clear she's not moronic, she knows what people are saying and can respond if she wants, but her autism and ocd or whatever makes her seem like as I've described that orange hair girl from the 5th element movie, that's the best way I can describe her actions and mannerisms. I'm not some special caretaker to her that again, has to basically guide her through day to day motions. I'm just kind of a handyman that has a few other things I do if required to help out. They have dedicated trained nursing staff for anything more than some things here and there that require help from a professional. That's not me. So regarding this caretaker-patient dynamic and potential power imbalance it's...-1/2

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2/2..it's like essentially if the guy at your apartment that comes and fixes the washing machine ends up sleeping with one of the tenants that live there after they both get to know each other a bit and have had interactions from him helping reset their breaker and/or patching a hole in the wall. She's not, again, "institutionalized" and if she wanted could walk right out and do whatever the hell she wants to do. She's not what I would consider a patient either there the way it's being framed. The same way the guy with MS who lives in the same building and has the same capacity is some institutionalized paitent and not just somewhere he lives and gets help moving his tank when he needs it would be my patient and his overseeing caretaker. I hope this make more sense.

          And for the reasons they are asking me, it's because she's never had a bf, nor a date I think, doesn't know how to interact romantically normally, and wants to have these experiences but doesn't know other men around her age, nor is comfortable enough around them to want to do anything with them. So a male escort type thing would be out of the question. She's attracted to me, that's one of the reasons I got pulled aside and asked that on behalf of her. Her psychiatrist/therapist thinks it's fine asking me on her behalf because she's embarrassed and has no knowhow for it, and yes she has low verbal autism. As for the "prepping" and "fixing her up" once again, it not like they are acting as her fluffer before and during the deed. It just means her sister would be making sure she's wearing clean clothes than just the same pajama bottoms she's had on for 3 days and reminding her to bath/shower etc. I don't know how else to explain this from my pov than what I have done for people thinking we are grooming a nonfunctional moronic oblivious autist who can't even change her own tampon or wipe her ass. I would not even think about doing this if it was that bad and was the situation with her.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk why you're taking the obvious trolls so seriously when they say grooming and shit. i guess you're sensitive af, and super paranoid. but if she's actually all there like you say then whats the problem? also what does she look like haha

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >also what does she look like haha
            >my dick needs it haha

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            how did you know that other post was also me, am i that obvious

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >am i that obvious
            yes

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            good, feeds my vanity

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I respect your honesty then.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >So a male escort type thing would be out of the question.
            What’s this financial incentive you mentioned earlier?

            Not a trolley problem at all anon just asking advice because I don't know how to approach this.

            And for anyone else if im being quite frank the financial aspect is quite alluring to me in my current personal situation.

            >And for anyone else if im being quite frank the financial aspect is quite alluring to me in my current personal situation.
            >The family has also informed me of a financial incentive if this goes forward.

            So in other words, you’d be paid for fricking her lol. I presume you have a laterally logicked explanation to explain how that doesn’t make you a male escort?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            OP here again, I'm sorry everyone that has been curious and wondering wtf is going on. I've been seeing the responses but have not had time to sit and respond like I should while I'm working and honestly been thinking about all these potential issues and questions going on, as what everyone is saying. But I will try to answer as much as possible now that I've got some time to.

            The financial incentive was something separately the family informed me of away from the aids and psychiatrist, for obvious reasons. They would basically pay for me doing the deed, with the first time being the major payout, and subsequent few times after it if things go well a smaller payment. It is considerate for me as of now, 4 figures and over 1500$, with the following times still 3 figures. I will add they obviously have money and this place houses a lot of people with rich family members, you almost have to be stacked to be here as it's a higher end housing complex, but that's another story.
            I know essentially this comes off as me being a type of escort, but I guess in my pov it's more of different kind of deal like a thank you this is no big deal to throw some cash your way for also doing this and helping out the girls life experiences if that makes sense.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but I guess in my pov it's more of different kind of deal like a thank you this is no big deal to throw some cash your way for also doing this and helping out the girls life experiences if that makes sense.

            Yeah I give up. No hate to you man, you’re probably a well-meaning guy and all, but you’re extremely dense on top of naive. You outlined that being a male escort is off the table. Then I showed you, in your own words, that you’d be performing the role of a male escort. And you find yet another coy interpretation of your own role in all of this to side-step the blatant reality that’s before you.

            No it doesn’t make sense. It would only make sense if you’d be doing this shit on purpose out of greed and lust without any hang-ups for consequences. But you straddle the fence and want to maintain your reputation and dignity and legal safety AND get paid to frick a dependent special needs resident despite being employed to supervise and/or upkeep her house. You can’t have it both ways.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Oh no I don't mind and get what you're saying and all. I totally get the escort things and yes if I'm being completely literal that is what I'm doing, my point is just from my view isn't that black and white of a situation if that makes any sense. And as for the dependent special needs thing, yes I get that, but I honestly don't know what to say either because some anons are thinking of this is as I'm her special caretaker that has to feed and cloth her everyday and tend to her whims constantly and shes some some drooling moron and I'm grooming her with others while they would prep like some kind of fluffer as some type of ritual. And if it was like that I wouldn't be doing that, but I guess it's hard to explain/see that aspect I'm trying to portray her that doesn't give off those kind of vibes. I understand your sentiment, thanks anyways though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Because I don’t fit the stereotypical image of what’s going on, it must mean that what I’m about to do is totally not going to backfire.

            OP, why are you like this? Do you somehow just blank out and can’t connect the dots between your own actions in real life with your mental view of what’s happening? Because if you could, you’d see that the dots don’t connect at all lmao.

            Look, I’ll show you one more time:
            You wrote on

            OP here again, I'm sorry everyone that has been curious and wondering wtf is going on. I've been seeing the responses but have not had time to sit and respond like I should while I'm working and honestly been thinking about all these potential issues and questions going on, as what everyone is saying. But I will try to answer as much as possible now that I've got some time to.

            The financial incentive was something separately the family informed me of away from the aids and psychiatrist, for obvious reasons. They would basically pay for me doing the deed, with the first time being the major payout, and subsequent few times after it if things go well a smaller payment. It is considerate for me as of now, 4 figures and over 1500$, with the following times still 3 figures. I will add they obviously have money and this place houses a lot of people with rich family members, you almost have to be stacked to be here as it's a higher end housing complex, but that's another story.
            I know essentially this comes off as me being a type of escort, but I guess in my pov it's more of different kind of deal like a thank you this is no big deal to throw some cash your way for also doing this and helping out the girls life experiences if that makes sense.

            >The financial incentive was something separately the family informed me of away from the aids and psychiatrist, for obvious reasons.

            >For obvious reasons.

            See that? You see how you gloss over ‘obvious reasons’. The obvious reason meaning what? That if they caught wind of you being paid to frick her, they’d instantly report it, right?

            And yet you somehow fog all of that obvious risk out of your mind and generate this vague overly complicated perspective to dress it up as normal occurrence.

            Good luck when it goes to shit pal, I’m sure if you explain to whoever sues/judges/fires you that they’ll accept the argument of “Well, I didn’t see it like that. That wasn’t how I see things, does that make sense?”

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I'm just not going to get through to you or come to some common agreement and view of this it seems. If you want to keep pondering over the financial aspect I don't know what to say, I don't see as that big of an issue and the family just trying to be like here ya go. Yes I understand that makes me a prostitute for what I'm doing, no the aids and psychiatrist don't see an issue with that they just think that's between us and not them, psychiatrist from what I get gathered just sees as our business and doesn't need to get involved with any payment going on but doesn't have an ethical issue with financial rewards between me or her family, nor again does the aids, or her sister.

            The problem I'm having here is, the aids, psychiatrist/therapist, Sister/mother, fricking legal, and her herself in her ow words seem to think this is totally fine and I'm overcomplicating everything, everyone I would want to think it would be okay agrees it's okay and I can do it and not to trip out and all the consent I need is taking care of. Then I get posts like yours who act like I'm glossing over details and I'm not seeing huge issues and I'm trying to rape a moronic invalid girl who's institutionalized and I'm some personal caretaker of her and I'm walking into huge potential glaring issues and it's crazy to even entertain this to begin with, that's my problem here.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Call a spade a spade. Your problem here is you want your conscience and feeling of legal safety validated because you really want to frick a free meal. And you’re holding out for a unanimous agreement that what you want to do is going to be a smart idea.

            And that’s OKAY man, I get it, we’re all horny men here. We understand. No judgement, genuinely. But there is a threshold where some things aren’t worth paying for pussy. And your situation crossed that threshold 100 miles ago. All of your critics are only protesting not to shame you, but to stop you from fricking yourself.

            Anyway, good luck with whatever happens

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Definitely follow-up with developments on this challenge

            >Because I don’t fit the stereotypical image of what’s going on, it must mean that what I’m about to do is totally not going to backfire.

            OP, why are you like this? Do you somehow just blank out and can’t connect the dots between your own actions in real life with your mental view of what’s happening? Because if you could, you’d see that the dots don’t connect at all lmao.

            Look, I’ll show you one more time:
            You wrote on [...]

            >The financial incentive was something separately the family informed me of away from the aids and psychiatrist, for obvious reasons.

            >For obvious reasons.

            See that? You see how you gloss over ‘obvious reasons’. The obvious reason meaning what? That if they caught wind of you being paid to frick her, they’d instantly report it, right?

            And yet you somehow fog all of that obvious risk out of your mind and generate this vague overly complicated perspective to dress it up as normal occurrence.

            Good luck when it goes to shit pal, I’m sure if you explain to whoever sues/judges/fires you that they’ll accept the argument of “Well, I didn’t see it like that. That wasn’t how I see things, does that make sense?”

            Call a spade a spade. Your problem here is you want your conscience and feeling of legal safety validated because you really want to frick a free meal. And you’re holding out for a unanimous agreement that what you want to do is going to be a smart idea.

            And that’s OKAY man, I get it, we’re all horny men here. We understand. No judgement, genuinely. But there is a threshold where some things aren’t worth paying for pussy. And your situation crossed that threshold 100 miles ago. All of your critics are only protesting not to shame you, but to stop you from fricking yourself.

            Anyway, good luck with whatever happens

            These sharp replies made me belly chuckle, listen to this anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Just do it op. Been stalking this thread from last night and from what I've read it seems fine. In middle school this one couple I was friends with would pay me to hug their friend. Sometimes they'd pay me as much as $20 per hug. I probably made over $100 over the months just hugging this girl. Am I a prostitute?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You want to fancy yourself a sex therapist, but you would be going into the situation blind without propper testing of the boundaries. The first one is obtaining verbal consent. The second is physical touch boundaries being absolutely respected and without harm.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >She's attracted to me, that's one of the reasons I got pulled aside and asked that on behalf of her. Her psychiatrist/therapist thinks it's fine asking me on her behalf
            >autistic females literally get set up by their therapists to have sex

            you literally cannot suffer as a woman

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          2/2..it's like essentially if the guy at your apartment that comes and fixes the washing machine ends up sleeping with one of the tenants that live there after they both get to know each other a bit and have had interactions from him helping reset their breaker and/or patching a hole in the wall. She's not, again, "institutionalized" and if she wanted could walk right out and do whatever the hell she wants to do. She's not what I would consider a patient either there the way it's being framed. The same way the guy with MS who lives in the same building and has the same capacity is some institutionalized paitent and not just somewhere he lives and gets help moving his tank when he needs it would be my patient and his overseeing caretaker. I hope this make more sense.

          And for the reasons they are asking me, it's because she's never had a bf, nor a date I think, doesn't know how to interact romantically normally, and wants to have these experiences but doesn't know other men around her age, nor is comfortable enough around them to want to do anything with them. So a male escort type thing would be out of the question. She's attracted to me, that's one of the reasons I got pulled aside and asked that on behalf of her. Her psychiatrist/therapist thinks it's fine asking me on her behalf because she's embarrassed and has no knowhow for it, and yes she has low verbal autism. As for the "prepping" and "fixing her up" once again, it not like they are acting as her fluffer before and during the deed. It just means her sister would be making sure she's wearing clean clothes than just the same pajama bottoms she's had on for 3 days and reminding her to bath/shower etc. I don't know how else to explain this from my pov than what I have done for people thinking we are grooming a nonfunctional moronic oblivious autist who can't even change her own tampon or wipe her ass. I would not even think about doing this if it was that bad and was the situation with her.

          Instead of everyone talking around her, have you, personally and in private, asked her if she'd be down to frick?
          What the frick is everyone setting her up like some frickdoll just because they assume that's what she wants? If she's capable, she can say "yes", if anything else, get the frick out of that nightmare scenario it seems to be

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I feel like I've answered a lot of these inquiries the best I could but I'm going to try again here.
            And I also realized I didn't mention my 2nd meeting and talking with her in private. As far "setting" her up and "assuming" they are doing it because she has had zero experience and is low verbal, NOT moronic though, and has expressed in confidence to them that she would like to do that, I already confirmed that aspect with them thoroughly. As for her personally, I went to talk to her as part of the deal to even think of doing this and she does know what sex and romance is. When I talked with her in private about it since she always hits and tries making moves on me I basically asked if she would like to do it. She said YES multiple times, in many ways I did ask it. The only thing I can gather from it that she is worried on some level about is she was concerned she would get in trouble, or me in trouble where I can't talk and be with her if we did things together. Which is where the other parties come in to tell her it's fine and she does not have to be careful and catch herself doing something bad or inappropriate like when they tell have told her to chill when she's acted out towards me. I hope this is clear enough and brings more clarity to the surrounding situation for people that have kept wondering about this variable.

            idk why you're taking the obvious trolls so seriously when they say grooming and shit. i guess you're sensitive af, and super paranoid. but if she's actually all there like you say then whats the problem? also what does she look like haha

            I'm going to be real here, I think I already kinda mentioned it. But she is basically your gamer e-girl maybe a bit of goth I guess clothing style thrown in, but more lazy with her getup if that makes sense. And yes, she does have a pretty big rack and from what I can tell through some of wrinkled pajama bottom pants she wears a lot, a caked up ass. I was trying to not make it about all that because it will make it obviously look like I'm convincing myself it's all good and normal because I really just wanna bang some big titty wipe hip gamer girl and this is my chance.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah thats normal, the other groups are supposed to explain to the residents the risks and what it means.

            They have rights to have sex and are taught what to do. Everything about this is normal.

  28. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    She has to consent for herself, not have other people do it for her

    What if she decides she loves you after having sex with her? What will you do then? Remember you're in a position of trust and provision of security and care to her, you're meant to place her autonomy and wellbeing above all else. What damage could you do if you went ahead with it and it wasn't all primroses and daisies.

  29. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Give us an update OP. I wanna hear whether or not you decided to go with being a part of a residential/mental ward sex trafficking ring or not.

  30. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    Solution seems simple to me, bag her, tag her, ring her, and fertilise her

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >made me almost want to delete the thread and one of my main issues here I thought about when bringing this up.

      Yeah, that feeling is called a conscience OP. It’s that special moment when your gut feeling is telling you that what you’re contemplating is a bad idea.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        A free tard wife and baby incubator being given to you on a silver platter sounds like a good idea to me

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          t. JF Gariépy

  31. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I am autistic. I used to live in a mental home like you're describing. Those places are miserable. I worked hard to get into my own apartment. I don't think you should mess with someone you're being paid to care for, but this thread gives me hope that maybe I'll find someone willing to be with me if I just keep working on myself.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Don’t count on it, OP already said he’s only wanting to pump & dump the autist. But he’s leaning on some altruistic cope to permit himself + drinking koolaid from the autist’s overbearing and weird parents.

  32. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    do your 2/2 OP my dick needs it

  33. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Sounds kino, do it.

  34. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I cannot believe this dude is seriously about to rape this disabled chick holy crao

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Nah i dont think he’s gonna do that. He seems like the kinda guy who will stop the moment she says owie or says no.

      But the silly OP is forgetting that she is autistic and autists are too afraid to ever inconvenience anyone or say no or have boundaries. And he’ll take her ‘okay’ as a ‘yes’.

      Its fricking moronic pun intended. “Helping her develop milestones” lol. No idea why OP or her parents think that’s what they’d accomplish. No one ever went out of there way to involve a shrink, nurses, my parents in a organised bid to get me sex. Because that shit isnt natural. So it wont be helping her with any milestones. All she’ll learn is that her parents and authority figures will sometimes send strange men that they paid for to her home whenever she feels lonely.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        The only reason OP would make a thread over this is if he's looking for confirmation to do it, any sane person would've thought "what the frick, no" and dropped it immediately
        Instead he's already worrying about deleting this thread because the overarching response is "don't do it, you fricking idiot"

        OP is, in fact, a massive homosexual who should become an hero instead
        Quit your job while you're at it, you're not suited to be working in people care when this is the shit your brain comes up with

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I don't know what to say if you say things like this and haven't obviously read any of the dialog and info I posted.

  35. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm worried about the legal ramifications but I think if most parties are in line with it, it's fine. I'm not a normie like 90% of the people here who think "if someone needs a little bit of assistance they are SUBHUMAN and don't deserve to experience the things us REAL HUMANS get to," nor am I so naive about women that I think every girl is a pure delicate little flower and the only possible way a man can interact with her sexually is by 'taking' it from her.

    But the legal ramifications alone worry me. You'll never know if someone decides to take their consent back, or it starts to get a little bit too out in the open what's going on. If someone starts to get the heat put on them, who do you think is gonna be the fall guy? You.

  36. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you're just begging for them to bend you over backwards over this, aren't you?
    what they're asking of you is illegal, except once you've fricked her it's on your neck, there's no way out of that one, anon
    seriously what the frick are you doing even considering this? are you actually braindead, or simply beyond desperation for company?

  37. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Any updates?

  38. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    anyone could tell you this is super fishy and a terrible idea objectively. However, you have the chance of the lifetime if it isn't BS. Are you willing to frick your life for the chance for a risk free frick of a cute autist girl? It sounds too good to be true it seems like a larp or a trap. Any man would do this (against their better judgement ofc)

  39. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Kekw, man this seem like a plot out of some backwater VN, look OP I can totally understand the temptation and I don't know how they could make the offer any more tempting but don't do it.

    Man, sucks that the cute spergie gf is just out of reach alas it is a trap.

  40. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    op, if i were in your situation i would be afraid of how it might escalate if things went through. would her feelings go further and want to be in a relationship with you? seeing as you aren't willing to go forward with that, is rejecting her after sex something you could handle well so she is not hurt?

    instead of viewing this as an opportunity for her to have sex which she desires, i think the most beneficial way to take it is as an opportunity for her to understand the concept of and how to express consent, feelings, relationships and handling rejection. but if sex goes through, a clear boundary does need to be set as to not go into relationship territory, like being as fwbs, but this is something that would need to be talked about so she understands fully what her desires would entail.

  41. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m autistic and you’re a mildly illiterate gigolo now
    Good luck not getting blackmailed or jailed or sex offender registered, sounds like she wants it though

  42. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    ITT: "Please tell me I can rape a disabled person"
    >Not a good idea
    >Okay but what if X
    >No
    >"well please consider Y and Z"
    >No
    >"you guys dont get it, she totally wants it"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yes it's pretty pathetic how the guy asked for affirmation on something he knows he feels is wrong and got none of it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I can't believe this thread is still up. I just honestly wish he posted the state this was in for legal advice because I really want to phone places telling them about this thread and to crack down in loners and make sure this crap doesnt happen

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      OP here, I've been very busy

      Yes it's pretty pathetic how the guy asked for affirmation on something he knows he feels is wrong and got none of it

      Yes it's pretty pathetic how the guy asked for affirmation on something he knows he feels is wrong and got none of it

      I don't know if you're being willfully ignorant or fricking with me because I've already explained this aspect of the situation a dozen times by now from you and other anons that keep jumping to that issue. If you want to believe that any autist can't consent to any sexual encounters because it makes them automatically mentally disabled and would qualify as rape, fine, whatever. But don't come at me with this bad faith bs notion because you believe you think you know more about her mental state than all the people who are relevant in her life, professional and otherwise, don't know what they hell they're talking about at all, or does the actual girl who has verbally consented multiple times to this possibly happening by now.

      Okay, I just have one question, OP: what does your employer think about all this?

      You've told them, right?

      If you haven't told them, it's because you know they will flip out if they find out about it. And they *will* find out, because the girl herself won't be able to keep a secret.

      So, if you feel able to tell your employer about the situation, and they're fine with it, then I'd say you're covered. But if you're not willing to discuss it with your employer, ask yourself some really hard questions about why you aren't.

      Yes, the two aids, one who is my main boss and they essentially think I've making a big deal over basically nothing regarding this aspect and that its just a "meh, whatever, not really a big deal" and don't care about it from their own view. They are the ones that framed to me originally as if a handyman fricked a tenant at a apartment and they are both consenting adults who cares at that point, as long as my job ethic is not severely impacted in some way. But that is one of the main issues I worried about and that even though I'm not a professional personal caretaker of her would it be a major problem. But seems like they are framing it to make as the work conundrum is a non-issue and I shouldn't focus on that if that's what's holding me back at this time.

      Updates?

      Yes, sorry, I'm going to be giving big updates I'm just trying to do a few responses and make me presence shown again. As I said, I've had a lot of things to deal with and have been busy.

      Yeah thats normal, the other groups are supposed to explain to the residents the risks and what it means.

      They have rights to have sex and are taught what to do. Everything about this is normal.

      That's essentially how everyone is trying to frame it to me that I've asked that's not some of the anons in this thread and that they have the same right to sex as an adult as anyone else. Which conflicts me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Yes yes, perfectly mentally capable people are in facilities like this. You are seriously messed up and you should be arrested and I hope you are

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Facilities like this? Does the MS and Cancer paitent in the adjacent apartments next to hers who has the same freedom and range of responsibilities as her also can't do anything because they need help with a few things, but are otherwise independent also can't have sex. Again my problem here, you're basing an assumption a view of this place and person you've conjured in your head that I don't think is accurate at all of reality. Like I said it's fine if you think autistic people can't consent to any sexual situations, at least you'd be consistent.

  43. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Okay, I just have one question, OP: what does your employer think about all this?

    You've told them, right?

    If you haven't told them, it's because you know they will flip out if they find out about it. And they *will* find out, because the girl herself won't be able to keep a secret.

    So, if you feel able to tell your employer about the situation, and they're fine with it, then I'd say you're covered. But if you're not willing to discuss it with your employer, ask yourself some really hard questions about why you aren't.

  44. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Updates?

  45. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    isnt this what that alt right geneticist french guy did? jf garieppy or whatever? married some autist girl and then later got accused of murdering her because she ran off with some other dude or something

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      See

      t. JF Gariépy

  46. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >with stretched out video game t-shirts
    hngggggg

  47. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    >seem
    >1000% positive
    Stop trying to gaslight yourself into believing its okay to rape a disabled person

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not rape though, the autismo girl voiced her interest in the guy.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >its not drug abuse if the addict says he wants the heroin

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          moronic comparison

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah you're right comparing two groups of people not in a proper state of mind to consent because of an inbalance of.brain chemsitry is moronic, he should just rape a disabled girl.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            can the girl just not consent to sex is that your argument?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >can the mentally disabled, developmentally impaired girl at a mental health facility not consent?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            have you read the thread? not an accurate representation of the scenario

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its 100% accurate. But your right he should just totally take advantage of a disabled girl. Free pussy right?

  48. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I worked for a group home for the mentally disabled and this is completely unacceptable
    It’s not Fishtank Live, the fact that you are one of the few if not the only man she is exposed to is not in her control and she does not have autonomy in this
    The parents consent is not her consent
    Just because women say she wants it and will help groom her for it does not mean she wants it
    A therapist is not an appropriate person to facilitate this either
    Giving a girl a vibrator and a dildo and then asking if she wants dick doesn’t validate her presumed consent
    Are the expectations clear? (How could they be?)
    Is she able to communicate effectively in the moment? (absolutely not or she wouldn’t be in a home)
    Is she acting on her own autonomy in an uncontrolled environment? (Absolutely not)
    The fact that you understand there are obvious reasons to keep this quiet and secret should demonstrate that it isn’t acceptable behavior
    You are in a position of service, care, and authority to her, like a professional parent. If my wife assured me my daughter wanted me to have sex with her and she would keep it quiet I would say absolutely not. If the daughter had impediments to communication that would make it even worse. If my wife had been giving her a magic wand and talking to her about having sex with me that would make it even worse. This is unbelievably depraved and you know it

  49. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    frick no dude you don't need that shit
    you should have quit to be honest
    that is completely inappropriate and possibly illegal
    That being said would, shieeet can you blame a brother?

  50. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >her parents
    I consent.
    >the medical professionals assigned to care for her
    I consent.
    >her
    Expressing a desire for intercourse in every way she can communicate, so much so that the people around her are trying to help her with her obvious aim.
    >random anons
    I DONT!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Dumbass pedophile

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >her
      >Expressing a desire for intercourse in every way she can communicate, so much so that the people around her are trying to help her with her obvious aim.
      Should we let 7 year olds take hromones and gender transition?

  51. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Interesting question. Obviously having someone who is not a caretaker sex her would be the best option but when is a reclusive non-verbal autistic chick ever going to see a man that's not a part of the facility? When she goes on one of the weekly trips to the store?
    My former classmate can't even handle the store if there are too many people there.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      reminds me of moot

  52. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    It's really unethical to have sex with someone you're helping in that capacity. If you were licensed it could cause you to be stripped of that license. The fact you are unsure how to get consent from such a person highlights an addictional factor which is rapiness. You're right, incapacitated people and children aren't able to consent at the same capacity as an independent, sexually active adult. If I were working at this place I'd try to have you removed as fast as possible for the safety of the clients. That being said, this isn't one of those "no harm no foul" things, as a similar argument could be made for other unsavory sex acts.

    There would be some case for a consensual relationship between you two, however feeble, if you weren't employed as one of her caretakers.

  53. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    thank yout for your help

  54. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Yes op you should do it. Contact a lawyer perhaps have them sign an nda. Then set up a nice evening for the little aspie. Frick her right in the pussy and blow a gigantic load all over her big goth titles. But be gentle and careful of course. Eat her out too be nice to the girl.

  55. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    jesus christ dude how hard is to just say no?
    >getting paid by somebody else to frick a developmentally disabled chick in secret
    and you know the sex is gonna be fricking awful, right? it's gonna be starfish sex or whatever they call it, and you'll need to keep asking for explicit consent constantly. what if she is not okay with what you are doing during the deed but she is low verbal so just shuts down and doesn't tell you to stop or say no? how do you know she even wants sex when she's never had it? that could easily turn into rape. this is so fricked up on so many levels.
    and dude, she clearly wants you as her boyfriend, not some hook up boy toy, she's not some prostitute at a club.
    JUST SAY NO

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      But he’s hoooornyyy think of his poor PP lol

      That is the part that pisses me off the most about OP, he can’t even admit he is horny and wants to blow his load.

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