I read 'Models: Attract Women Through Honesty' and this page changed my whole perception on women, and maybe it will for you too.

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This reads like a moron wrote it.
    How do you not get that "finding out you weren't compatable" with 95% of average woman on dating apps would feel like if you're some kind of incel or whatever.
    You just reframed failure, and accomplished nothing.

    Infinately more useful advice would be something like "get to 20 BMI, but accomplish that while being toned, you'll get functional strength while being more physically attractive"

    I don't want to see your creative writing fantasy on this board.
    It does nothing, especially for the people on this site.
    I mean how do you expect to make a positive change if you can't recognize the problems in your apperance and behavior?

    And I'm not even blaming anyone, it seems like by my estimation 30% of the posters on /adv/ are people who really put in the work and improved yet still can't get into a relationship...
    At least that's my take on it.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Infinately more useful advice would be something like "get to 20 BMI, but accomplish that while being toned, you'll get functional strength while being more physically attractive"
      >I mean how do you expect to make a positive change if you can't recognize the problems in your apperance and behavior?
      >And I'm not even blaming anyone, it seems like by my estimation 30% of the posters on /adv/ are people who really put in the work and improved yet still can't get into a relationship...
      do you see the contradiction in your post? nowadays we're seeing a wave of incels who have put in the work, but they still lack Game awareness and lifting or a 6 figures salary won't save them. Fortunately there are a metric ton of resources (some are even spammed here on /adv/) on developing communication skills. I'm having a deja vu typing this. I feel like I've read this thread before and wrote the same thing.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I'm not saying it's bad advice, I just don't get what's so game-changing about it.
      Like, maybe it's just me, but I would have never thought that asking yourself "hey, do I actually even like this girl?" would be something that *needed* to be said.
      As for , not sure I follow his train of thought or even what he's talking about. The excerpt from the book is about compatibility, and he's prattling on about BMI.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        when prospects are few and far between you forget that most people arent worth the trouble. keeping focus on compatibility wont help you find someone but it will help you avoid spending time with the wrong people and save some feels

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >Infinately more useful advice would be something like "get to 20 BMI, but accomplish that while being toned, you'll get functional strength while being more physically attractive"
      >I mean how do you expect to make a positive change if you can't recognize the problems in your apperance and behavior?
      >And I'm not even blaming anyone, it seems like by my estimation 30% of the posters on /adv/ are people who really put in the work and improved yet still can't get into a relationship...
      do you see the contradiction in your post? nowadays we're seeing a wave of incels who have put in the work, but they still lack Game awareness and lifting or a 6 figures salary won't save them. Fortunately there are a metric ton of resources (some are even spammed here on /adv/) on developing communication skills. I'm having a deja vu typing this. I feel like I've read this thread before and wrote the same thing.

      You're both like blind men touching different parts of the elephant.
      You're both right in spotting things that aren't enough ("game" on one side, gym/moneymaxxing on the other) but are wrong in what fixes the problem.

      It's About The Face.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        nope. face is like gymmaxxing in the sense that it will GET you girls but it's not enough for keeping them, because the moment another pretty face shows up they're gonna drop you. unless you mean that you need all three. then yeah you're 110% right

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Lookism incels have never gotten to the stage where keeping a girl is even a possible scenario, so they've never considered that.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        If you got the body, they don't really care about the face. But if you don't got the rizz, they won't care about the body.

        Lookism incels have never gotten to the stage where keeping a girl is even a possible scenario, so they've never considered that.

        lol 100% agree

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >If you got the body, they don't really care about the face. But if you don't got the rizz, they won't care about the body.
          Double cope.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            What exactly am I coping about? Getting in shape and learning how to talk to women isn't difficult if you're motivated. Attempting to sound smug with no argument except "cope" ain't it, buid.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        no one cares about "the face", and the faces that incels think are "the face" aren't even "the face" that women like. It's bonkers out there.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I believe the point of OP is to just reframe your mindset.
      A lot of guys get into the mindset of negativity that just cascades further down. Instead of going into a "meeting" with a girl with the mindset of
      >I want to be validated
      go into it with the idea taht
      >I want to find out if this is a relationship worth my time

      Like you said, 95% of the time it won't, but that's because your personalities don't match, not because you failed to be personally validated.

      It's the same principle with a job interview, you don't go into an interview thinking
      >I want to be hired
      because it means you're just going to be taken advantage of and end up at a place you hate, you go into a job interview with the intention of feeling out the company and if its a good fit for you. and most of the time you won't mind the rejection because you didn't want to work there to begin with.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        pretty much. The interview's gonna be the same interview either way, you can either mindfrick yourself into looking desperate and probably get a rejection, or mindfrick yourself into being calm cool, and expecting success - and still probably get a rejection, but you probably had more fun and worried less in the second way; meaning you probably did a little better too.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >You just reframed failure, and accomplished nothing.
      I hate how incels don't actually understand the concept of frameworks, it LITERALLY ruins their lives. Frames aren't special: they're just a way of looking at a situation or a set of "on-the-ground" facts, and filtering out information that the framework doesn't care about. BY DEFINITION, basically all frameworks are "correct" in the sense they are an accurate tool you can use to look at or describe a situation.

      As an example, let's say you see a dead tree that's fallen over. You can look at this situation in a bunch of ways:
      >a survival use-value frame (what is the tree useful for? Shelter? Lighting fires? Building a canoe? Turning fronds into rope?)
      >an economic frame (if you sawed and sanded the logs and transported them to market, perhaps this tree is worth 75 dollars. Are others nearby worth more or less?)
      >a beauty frame (what does this tree say about death? Is there something beautiful in the way it lies in the light?)
      >a combat frame (the tree is providing cover and concealment in this area from opposite side attackers)
      >a sexual frame (can I frick that knothole?)
      And so on.

      Incels don't understand that frameworks are a choice. You're not using every framework at the same time: usually you're going to choose whichever framework is the most useful to you in the current situation. Incels like framing dating as "a long series of failures, only perhaps punctuated by rare success", as opposed to alternate framings like "it is an exploratory process where you meet new people and try to understand them, and sometimes you two may fall in love".

      In both cases, facts are the same. Both are correct. BUT, constantly using the incel frame is just shittier:
      >gets you laid less
      >has no guidance on good versus bad dates
      >focuses overwhelmingly on the parts of dating one doesn't control
      >more psychologically damaging and negative
      >models even trying as failure
      Reframing a situation is INCREDIBLY powerful.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        a good post

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        The only "frame" you should be living under is the frame of Jesus Christ and the holy spirit.

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    It's human nature to be curious about things we're unsure about.

    As someone who has both read Models and still struggles to approach women, re-reading this page, thanks to you OP, has made me think completely differently.

    The thing to take away from what OP has posted, and the way I've interpreted it, is that it's in our nature to want answers to things we don't know about. If we stop to think and wonder what that hot woman in the bar, or that cute girl in your class, is like as a person, then it'd make it so much easier to talk to them.

    You are curious, it's in your nature, go find out if you like that person. Go see if you two can get along. Like Manson wrote, no matter what the outcome, its positive. You asked yourself a question and went and got an answer.

    The outcome may not be the one the old you would've wanted but your mindset has changed and you've answered the question the new you, has asked.

    It's a win-win. Now go out and meet people.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    This book changed the game for me and helped me cure my oneitis.

    I can go on a date now and my mindset is all about "what is she gonna do to impress ME?"

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    it doesn't change the fact I'm unlovable due to my short height and autism

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Please don't sell yourself short like that Anon. You're unlovable for so many more reasons.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        You don't know me

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      How come I have never met a person with autism in my life but I can't go a NSFFW thread without reading one or more people complaining about autism?
      Or are you just using autism as a stand-in for poor social skills due to lack of experience?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        it's the latter. just like every girl mentioned has undiagnosed BPD.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I think most of them stay indoors. I have met an autist before and they were insanely difficult to be around.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    That is one of my favorite books. The passage you picked out is essence of the book. Be confident by not caring so much about what others think about you.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I mean that's just self-gaslighting, in the end of the day you will only be worried about your general lack of "compatibility"

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Meh. This book is listed so often here I wonder if it's by shills.
    I read the book. It's interesting, logical, and has insights, but I can't say it noticeably changed my behavior or results with women.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >I can't say it noticeably changed my behavior or results with women.

      Books can't do that. That's going with taking action and being more experienced. Books can only give you some tips you can use or help you avoid some mistakes.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    thx bro

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    yeah i read this entire book, was excited, approached women, got rejected a bunch, gave up again. shit doesn't work nearly as well as the classics of working out and making money.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even that is slightly liberating because it frees you of the thought of "what if I just haven't tried hard enough".

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Haha nope. My only standards for women are not obese and under 40 years old. Thats the reality. If i find a woman thats under 40 years old and thin and willing to have sex with me im willing to have sex with her.
    Simple as.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I'm 32 and I'm in my fifth and most successful and long lasting relationship. I don't really like what this guy's writing, at least from the excerpt. Seems like he thinks we're all sticks in a river and that women don't change, or that you can't change them. but I haven't read the book.

    These are the things that have helped me be successful with women:
    >befriending women outside of relationship prospects, learned a lot about how women think and how to interact with them
    >staying relatively in shape and keeping a passable level of hygiene
    >well timed rare simple compliments, either random or in conversation. "you're very pretty", "I like your hair". can get them thinking about you differently
    >maintaining income, an apartment, and a vehicle
    >only paying attention to humble women
    >listen a lot, pay attention to what they talk about(usually people they know) and force interest in the subject
    >maintain a respectable and stoic facade as much as possible, be a foundation
    and more controversially
    >aim young and groom
    >fill the hole daddy left in their lives when he left
    >become the source of their self esteem
    I'm also over 6' tall and white so there are some natural advantages that can't be achieved by everybody, but as long as you go for girls that are shorter than you that belong to your ethnic group the playing field should be level.

    what I'm not as good at is keeping relationships going for more than 1-2 years but I think I've finally built up enough experience and wisdom to keep my current thing going til death, she's already broken the record as my longest relationship. also the most kind and loyal person I've ever dated. don't listen to anyone who tells you not to work on yourself, peoples bodies reflect a lot about their personality and maturity. Work hard to appear as a hard worker and it's the truth.

    some people are short spergs and are completely fricked, I feel sorry for them. a true sperg is a depressing thing in todays feminist society.

  12. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    so basically "change your views and expectations about women" in a way that isn't too "damaging" if one gets a rejection

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