Most people don't want actual love

Most people, including you people, don't actually want love. They just want to fill a hole, but figuratively and literally.
People who actually want love wait until they find someone they're 100% sure they will spend the rest of their life with to
do anything sexual at all. They don't care what excuses people throw around, they just simply don't wish to have sex with
anyone but their future partner.
Most people treat love like nothing more than a deal, and they constantly ask themselves "how much can I ask for while giving
as little as possible?". "If I convince most people that this is ok in a relationship, I will force my partner to agree too, so
I can do it".
That's why people break up over anything, that's why they have no problem with making their partners feel uncomfortable when
they have more to gain than lose, they can simply call their own partner "insecure" in such situations.
If you don't treat love like an emotionless deal, you will wait until you meet the one you know you are 100% certain while sober
that you will marry. If you didn't do this you've already treated any potential future partner like someone on the other side of a
deal, and you don't deserve love (applies to both men and women).

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    MEN CANNOT FEEL LOVE
    THEY CAN BE IN IT

    THAT IS WHY THE CREATOR EQUIPPED YOU WITH PROSTATES AS A SORT OF SOMATIC CONSOLATION

    BUTT DONUT WORRY, YOU ARE IN GOOD BOSOMS

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Men can feel true love when with other men but unfortunately they can't be sexually attracted to other men. A really cruel reality.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i agree, i am keeping my virginity for the woman i am going to marry in the future.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Good. And never "settle" for a woman who didn't do the same for you. Even if they're exceedingly rare.
      Because if you lower you ideals simply because most people won't adhere to them, you are treating it like a deal.
      If 99% of women cheated, it still shouldn't mean that most men should just settle for a cheater.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I meant to say "both" not "but"

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People who actually want love wait until they find someone they're 100% sure they will spend the rest of their life with to
    do anything sexual at all
    yeah i do this

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >100% certain while sober
    >that you will marry.
    How is this any different from an "emotionless deal"? The way I see it, what you're doing in both cases is risk management, if anything your "100% certain" deal is even colder, because you're making completely sure you won't divorce because reasons.

    IMHO "real love" is blind, passionate and potentially life ruining.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It is different because you think of the person you are going to spend the rest of your life with and how not to betray them by fricking around with some random, temporary person.
      Stop trying to justify your promiscuity. Everything you did was at the expense of your future spouse/any potential future spouse (because it doesn't necessarily have to be fatalist).

      >IMHO "real love" is blind, passionate and potentially life ruining.
      You're just desperate and fall in infatuation very easily.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >People who actually want love wait until they find someone they're 100%
    Ok, image that you are like that at 16yo, and you remain waiting until you are 29yo and still nothing happens. What would you do then. I'm out of ideas.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You keep waiting for your owner like the good boy you are

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      There doesn't have to be a solution to every single one of your personal problems. It would mean you were unlucky,
      and the reason you didn't find anyone is probably because no one else was actually looking for the same thing as you.
      As I said, most people don't want true love. You have very small odds of finding someone who isn't a degenerate who
      makes up excuses.

      What if while waiting for "the right one" you end up alone becaused you passed on the few good enough oopportunities that were given to you? It's not like it hasn't happened that two virgins ended up divorcing or breaking up. Just because you are both virgins when you get together doesn't guarantee the relationship will work out. Maybe being too idealistic and romantic about these things is delusional and bad. At least that's a fear I have. Because when I look at "nature" and "science" I only get blackpills which point to facts that males who are sexually desired and historically get to reproduce are the ones with masculine features and characteristics. They are not chosen for their morality. There is data on this. Guys with masculine features have sexual encounters earliery in life and are more successful. These things go hand in hand. The more women you were with you are considered more desirable by them because it's a sign of being high value. TLDR all evidence points to the fact that being a dark triad abuse chad is valued by women and nature more than being moral and keeping your virginity for someone special. How do you reconcile this?

      Yes cavemen got their women by simply raping them. Do you think that there was such thing as romance back then?
      Yes most women are degenerates who are programmed to be attracted to such traits, and most men are also degenerates
      who are programmed to exhibit those traits. Your point? We're not talking about cavemen and cavewomen and reproduction
      here. You are looking at this too functionally.

      As I said, most people are immediately not worth considering. They just want sex + a fake emotional connection.
      And if out of desperacy you join them you accept something fake just because you can't have the real thing.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do you believe most people are meant to be lonely then? I mentioned evolutionary psychology because it explains why people get together. It's a transaction. If there is no sexual attraction a woman may still end up with a man because he is a safe option and will provide for her. Do you believe there must be sexual attraction first for real love to arise? You speak with certainty but haven't really given an explanation on how a relationship with real love works.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Obviously physical attraction and sex are necessary to keep a relationship. And there does have to be a power dynamic
          like you mention. But being dominant doesn't mean being a caveman, it simply means being in charge.
          Only shallow, primitive people would be attracted to those dark triad traits you speak of. Yes, most women
          are shallow and will be attracted to those. And you are shallow if you do your best to exhibit them just to attract women.

          In a relationship with real love the 2 people are dedicated to each other, not just what they experience when together.
          That's why most people won't accept cheating. Because they care about more than what's just in front of them at an
          exact point in time. Not accepting someone who thought "surely my future partner won't mind" is simply an extension
          of not accepting a cheater.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Only shallow, primitive people would be attracted to those dark triad traits you speak of
            I also mentioned looks. Even the people who you would consider virtues and not shallow subconsciously judge people based on their looks, achievements and what they can get from them. Everyone still wants to have an attractive partner. You admit yourself that physical attraction and sex are important and the data says that masculine/good looks tend to go hand in hand with dark triad/masculine traits and sexual success. An ugly or average dude won't be valued for keeping his virginity for the special one. Chad will be valued for it.

            >Do you believe most people are meant to be lonely then?
            And as for this question I skipped over it because, again, I'm not here to talk about solutions to your emotional problems. Whether most people are doomed to be
            lonely or not has no bearing on what I'm talking about here. But what I am going to say is I'd rather die than live with something fake.
            I guess whether you care about this or not at all depends on whether you'd accept living in an experience machine rather than a cruel reality, the good old "would
            you take the blue or the red pill?" question.

            Anyway, I am actually doomed to be alone forever because I ruined myself when I was around 12. Now I am 100% certain that I will be lonely and will never have
            the real thing. But I would rather not have any love than fake love.

            If I may ask how did you manage to ruin yourself at 12?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You're mixing up simply not being a wimp of a man and being a psychopath again. You are looking at data for animals to make judgements about people,
            most people are just animals.
            I didn't have any sort of sex actually, but what I did was already bad enough. It doesn't really matter now. No obviously I don't feel like going into detail.

            Shit man idk what I'm doing in this thread anymore. I'm done replying it's taking too much of my time. I just felt like stopping some people from being shallow
            but now it's an incel discussion.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I like chating with you anon. You are smart and I feel your disappointment at what most relationships are. Maybe it wasn't clear from my contrarian points but I too would rather stay alone than have something fake. My concern is that what we want is not realistic.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well yeah, it's not realistic. Pretty rare thing to find. Not much that can be done about that.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Do you believe most people are meant to be lonely then?
          And as for this question I skipped over it because, again, I'm not here to talk about solutions to your emotional problems. Whether most people are doomed to be
          lonely or not has no bearing on what I'm talking about here. But what I am going to say is I'd rather die than live with something fake.
          I guess whether you care about this or not at all depends on whether you'd accept living in an experience machine rather than a cruel reality, the good old "would
          you take the blue or the red pill?" question.

          Anyway, I am actually doomed to be alone forever because I ruined myself when I was around 12. Now I am 100% certain that I will be lonely and will never have
          the real thing. But I would rather not have any love than fake love.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            First of all, the thoughts you are having lead only to one thing and that is depression and sadness, secondly only god can judge what we deserve, as far as what concerns us we can only make flawed judgements.

            Finally i want to take this opportunity to manifest my wife again, even if i never find you i will wait for you <3

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >secondly only god can judge what we deserve
            If you think my views on love have anything with the bible saying "sex bad" you're wrong. I'm not very religious.
            I simply won't accept someone who's fricked around before meeting me, but I don't deserve someone who didn't.
            I'd rather have no one.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            are you having a tantrum over not being a virgin? get over it, you will find true love whether you like it or not, and someday you will meet someone who you are going to be the meaning to the world.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What if while waiting for "the right one" you end up alone becaused you passed on the few good enough oopportunities that were given to you? It's not like it hasn't happened that two virgins ended up divorcing or breaking up. Just because you are both virgins when you get together doesn't guarantee the relationship will work out. Maybe being too idealistic and romantic about these things is delusional and bad. At least that's a fear I have. Because when I look at "nature" and "science" I only get blackpills which point to facts that males who are sexually desired and historically get to reproduce are the ones with masculine features and characteristics. They are not chosen for their morality. There is data on this. Guys with masculine features have sexual encounters earliery in life and are more successful. These things go hand in hand. The more women you were with you are considered more desirable by them because it's a sign of being high value. TLDR all evidence points to the fact that being a dark triad abuse chad is valued by women and nature more than being moral and keeping your virginity for someone special. How do you reconcile this?

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Manifesting a woman that wants to marry me day ???.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Poor guy. Putting this much thought into this topic is where your downfall began.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Poor guy, putting this much thought into who your wife fricks is where you downfall began

      See
      >Because they care about more than what's just in front of them at an
      >exact point in time. Not accepting someone who thought "surely my future partner won't mind" is simply an extension
      >of not accepting a cheater.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I've never once in my life been able to imagine someone loving me

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >They just want to fill a hole, but figuratively and literally.
    Yeah OP we're on the way yo fill yours real good

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I suspect true love does not exist anyway. That is some Disney shit.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If some people seek it then that already proves that it is possible. Otherwise there would be 0 people who care about it.
      I've wondered if it is just some Disney shit too because just giving up and being alone forever is a lot easier. But I realised that the fact that I sought an actual
      connection with someone means it's possible for at least a very very small percentage of people to do that.

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