Tfw no Charles Bovary bf. >Mentally unstable - check. >Like to escape in imaginary words - check

Tfw no Charles Bovary bf
>Mentally unstable - check
>Like to escape in imaginary words - check
>Craving excitement - check
I'm literally Emma Bovary and yet there's no Charles in my life 🙁

Anyways, who's your ideal NSFFW bf or gf? For me it's definitely sweet old Charles Bovary who would love me despite me being a dumpster fire

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Just get a boyfriend. it's that easy

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Even if I get one he won't be like sweet Charles that puts up with my crazy

      >I'm literally Emma Bovary
      oh so you're a cheater and a terrible mother?

      Except no cheating (except on exams) and having no kids but the core is the same

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >I'm literally Emma Bovary
    oh so you're a cheater and a terrible mother?

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I couldn't fix her, but I could try to help her fix herself.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like a pretty healthy attitude!
      Never read the book though, wanna tell me about it?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        It's a semi-autobiographical story about a young girl finishing university and getting jobs writing for a magazine just in time to become afflicted with crippling depression, and eventually attempting suicide. The novel ends with the character recovering from her suicide attempt and the depression easing off a little bit, but it's not too optimistic. Back in real life outside the novel, the author goes on to become famous for her poetry, the author marries another poet, the other poet cheats on her, and the author commits suicide successfully shortly after the novel's release.

        I like it a lot and I highly recommend it to anyone who posts on NSFFW because it reminds me of the stereotypical femanon. I recommend it alongside A Confederacy of Dunces, a novel to read about the stereotypical male NSFFW poster (fat, stupid, lazy, mean, unpleasant to be around, and absolutely full of himself).

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Thanks for the recs! Never heard of A Confederacy of Dunces either but it sounds fun and it does seem to remind of a stereotypical NSFFW male poster

          I read this book and it left absolutely no impression on me. Definitely one of duller examples of realism.
          Personally I could handle Edith from Stoner.

          It's a bit hard to read for my zoomer brain but for me the absolute dumpster fire Emma is (who can be very relatable) and sweet Charles are redeeming qualities
          Never read that one, wanna tell me about it and Edith? From what I gathered online she seems pretty mean and spoiled. Do you like that kind of attitude?

          Razumikhin (Crime and Punishment) is cute. I really like how caring he is. Unfortunately I relate to Raskolnikov more than I should

          Oh my, why relate to Raskolnikov? Honestly seems like an edgy boy with a hint of a superiority complex mixed with holier than you attitude at least until the end of the story. But maybe you can help me something else in him?

          I prefer Seo from Gekkan soujo Nozaki-kun. Can't get me away from that autussy.

          Never read it but from what i gathered she sounds fun enough

          I always felt like raskolnikov would be my type irl if he existed and we met, I tend to feel attracted to sensitive overthinking male characters who are self-destructive. I haven't read the 2nd part yet though so I might be wrong about his character traits to some degree.

          Well, only one way to find out! But for me he's just a weird edgy boy with destructive tendencies so not my type at all kek

          the woman from The Yellow Wallpaper.

          i could fix her.

          Never read it but I like the description of the book, might give it a go

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Never read it but I like the description of the book, might give it a go
            hits a very specific tone of someone going mad like an Edgar Allan Poe story from a woman's perspective (most likely postpartum depression).

            even the wider idea of women being 'hysterical' is appealing. and yes i've absolutely had a relationship with a BPD woman and everything that came with that. there's some kind of middle ground, on both sides of the relationship.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Seo is a free-thinker, not some NPC.
            She's honest and always tells what's on her mind.
            Has empathy/critical thinking/BS detector interprets fiction in her own way, not the spoonfed evil(TM) vs good(TM) drama fight. It's a comedy for her and the bad guy is lowkey making sense.
            Into physical contact.
            Appreciates the smallest of gifts.
            Hard to anger.
            Also booba.
            Literary best gf material.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          A Confederacy of Dunces was fricking hilarious. Robots should also have to Read Notes from the Underground so they can hear what they sounds like to Normoids

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            You know, I was disappointed by A Confederacy of Dunces because it ended too soon. Comedy comes best in threes, and he should have gone on a third misadventure instead of it all fizzling out after only two misadventures.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I read this book and it left absolutely no impression on me. Definitely one of duller examples of realism.
    Personally I could handle Edith from Stoner.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Razumikhin (Crime and Punishment) is cute. I really like how caring he is. Unfortunately I relate to Raskolnikov more than I should

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      I always felt like raskolnikov would be my type irl if he existed and we met, I tend to feel attracted to sensitive overthinking male characters who are self-destructive. I haven't read the 2nd part yet though so I might be wrong about his character traits to some degree.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        I get it. He's most certainly one of the most interesting literary characters out there. What I like about him is how his kind actions towards his loved ones contrast his batshit inner dialogue. He's complex and fricked up as all hell, but redeemable, I guess it actives the "I can fix him" thing like with Sonia.

        Post-epiphany when he realizes that he's not superior to anyone else, that we're all on the same level and all stuck in this same struggle together, right?

        That's what I'd much rather think. I'm stuck in my own head for too long at times.

        Thanks for the recs! Never heard of A Confederacy of Dunces either but it sounds fun and it does seem to remind of a stereotypical NSFFW male poster
        [...]
        It's a bit hard to read for my zoomer brain but for me the absolute dumpster fire Emma is (who can be very relatable) and sweet Charles are redeeming qualities
        Never read that one, wanna tell me about it and Edith? From what I gathered online she seems pretty mean and spoiled. Do you like that kind of attitude?
        [...]
        Oh my, why relate to Raskolnikov? Honestly seems like an edgy boy with a hint of a superiority complex mixed with holier than you attitude at least until the end of the story. But maybe you can help me something else in him?
        [...]
        Never read it but from what i gathered she sounds fun enough
        [...]
        Well, only one way to find out! But for me he's just a weird edgy boy with destructive tendencies so not my type at all kek
        [...]
        Never read it but I like the description of the book, might give it a go

        He is edgy yes lol. Dosto's writing resonates a lot with me for some reason, maybe mental illness. A swirl of apathy, guilt, almost delirium, but I'd rather not derail the thread too much into venting. I'm the type of person who's closed off and needs someone to help me get out of my shell. Razumikhin is good at that.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah definitely, "i can fix him" characters always have a similar effect on me as long they're moderately well-written lol.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            what makes this appealing and where's the limit? either in fiction or in real life? depressing people can get draining, dating an actual serial killer or someone who had psychotic episodes must be rough, etc etc. might be fun to think about in stories.

            I get it. He's most certainly one of the most interesting literary characters out there. What I like about him is how his kind actions towards his loved ones contrast his batshit inner dialogue. He's complex and fricked up as all hell, but redeemable, I guess it actives the "I can fix him" thing like with Sonia.

            [...]
            That's what I'd much rather think. I'm stuck in my own head for too long at times.

            [...]
            He is edgy yes lol. Dosto's writing resonates a lot with me for some reason, maybe mental illness. A swirl of apathy, guilt, almost delirium, but I'd rather not derail the thread too much into venting. I'm the type of person who's closed off and needs someone to help me get out of my shell. Razumikhin is good at that.

            >Dosto's writing resonates a lot with me for some reason, maybe mental illness. A swirl of apathy, guilt, almost delirium
            trying to remember if it was a Dostoevsky story (maybe Notes from Underground) where the protagonist fits what you're saying. middle-age civil servant, bit jaded, etc. but one short (?) story always stood out to me where he (or some similar character) meets a young woman who tries to bring him out of his shell.

            feel like the title had something to do with winter, Apropos of the Wet Snow?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >what makes this appealing and where's the limit? either in fiction or in real life? depressing people can get draining, dating an actual serial killer or someone who had psychotic episodes must be rough, etc etc. might be fun to think about in stories.
            yeah I agree. I guess I just feel drawn to mentally ill characters because I'm kinda broken myself and resent "normal" people to some degree.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            just to nip this one in the bud i'm not going to suggest we take this off-site or anything, don't think i'm 'fetishizing' it but fricking hell i am curious. like the whole 'true crime' thing...why?

            i hope that resentment doesn't turn into bitterness where you actually take action, and there are probably other mentally ill/broken types you could get along with (even if they're not ill in the same way). support groups are great for this because someone will say something that you could have said word-for-fricking-word and it's refreshing.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            in terms of true crime, i just want to mention that i watch/read an equal amount of material about female killers and female psychopaths. it's not male killers specifically who fascinate me, but people who act like humans and even come across as likeable often even though they are not actually humans inside, it's very scary and also interesting to me.
            and thanks for your concern. i'm talking about all this in a very straight-forward way though, i feel a general bitterness but if an individual acts polite/nice towards me, i still instinctively start to like them lol.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            > i feel a general bitterness but if an individual acts polite/nice towards me, i still instinctively start to like them lol.
            That seems more healthy than indiscriminate bitterness, seems like you're on the right track!

            Take your horseshit somewhere else. There are like 3 females on this board. It's easy to spot one of these things is not like the others.

            Women make up like 50% of the population. Do you seriously think that only 3 people out of 50% of the population would come here?

            >Especially if there's no progress when it comes to "fixing" the person
            this might be naive but i think most people are willing to accept they can change and would probably like to. pathological psychopaths, maybe not. i'd tend to be more reactionary and push back if someone tried to fix me, but i think therapy and reflection are useful. and sometimes that starts from other people.

            >most people in my situation kind of have like a really flat emotional state, mostly just feeling empty and I feel like I'm still more emotional than an average person in my situation so while it may have lead to most people just having flat emotional spectrum
            so where do you think that one lies on the old nature-vs-nature thing? you're describing being in some kind of situation, but where is it on the spectrum of 'just who you are' as opposed to 'circumstances made me this way'?

            [...]
            no worries. like i say i just find THIS interesting, realise that one's a bit meta. but where are you going to get this down other than a dying anonymous message board for weirdos?

            i get the psychology of it is fascinating but the actual violence/murder aspects of it make me uncomfortable. it's like when you meet someone who comes off really charismatic or charming, then later on in turns out they were abusive or similar. which sucks because there are people who are genuinely pleasant or turn these traits into something beneficial. leader types without becoming ruthless CEOs.

            > i'd tend to be more reactionary and push back if someone tried to fix me, but i think therapy and reflection are useful. and sometimes that starts from other people.
            I agree. Other people can't do all the work for you but they can be very helpful. Much of my healthier attitude changes actually started with other people.
            >so where do you think that one lies on the old nature-vs-nature thing? you're describing being in some kind of situation, but where is it on the spectrum of 'just who you are' as opposed to 'circumstances made me this way'?
            I'm not sure actually. If I went back in time and officially tried to get a BPD diagnosis it would've been easy to understand. I did exhibit a lot of symptoms that toned down a lot but whether it's just maturing or my circumstances I'll probably never know.

            Emma ovary didn't deserve charles. Maybe all the Charles's of the world wised up and acceptd they're never going to find love. Emma didn't love charles, she doesn't actually have a heart. She's just entertaining herself.

            She didn't. But I feel like modern Emma actually could be way healthier and find other ways to entertain herself. She would probably try to find excitement in stuff like having an interesting job or trying to get lots of new experiences rather than being confined to affair or relying on living vicariously through her son (that she never even had) or husband. I feel like with Emma lots of her struggles came from her environment and she could be way healthier in the modern times.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >I did exhibit a lot of symptoms that toned down a lot but whether it's just maturing or my circumstances I'll probably never know.
            i mean we were all teenagers once, and we grew up! glad it's gotten better, whatever the reasons.

            i'd like to help people and i think i (mostly) have the patience for it. but i'm also not about to train as a DBT specialist or anything. just care about helping friends who are struggling. and i GET the stigma, maybe someone will come up with the answers. can be heartbreaking to witness.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >But I feel like modern Emma actually could be way healthier
            there's nothing about life today or about women today that makes me think they would treat a man better
            > She would probably try to find excitement in stuff like having an interesting job or trying to get lots of new experiences
            Emma's problem is not her environment it's that she's a trash human being, and the environment has only become more permissive of women being terrible people and treating their men like trash and only thinking of themselves.

            She had a shit moral compass and had a shitty soul and treated people badly, and it's not actually anything to do with her not getting what she wanted. She just cared very little for people that took care of her. It's really that simple.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >there's nothing about life today or about women today that makes me think they would treat a man better
            Why not? Your relationships don't work out? You can always break up and divorce instead of having affairs and being demeaning towards him. Want some excitement? You're capable of doing lots of exciting things. Your husband is a boring village doctor? With enough will and effort you can become a renowned surgeon yourself so no need to live vicariously through him. You had a daughter? She can also live an exciting life.
            So I wonder how much of this trashiness is Emma's nature and how much of it would change if she had more freedom and maybe got some therapy. I think we're pretty similar but I try to seek non-destructive excitement and would choose Charles over anyone else because in my circumstances just having someone who would adore me despite my craziness is like the greatest form of excitement. And him being on a milder side wouldn't be a problem either because he would probably be easy to convince to follow me on some non-destructive adventure. She doesn't seem to mean well but doesn't seem to do bad things on purpose of causing other people to suffer. So I guess she is egoistical but maybe it could've been channeled in a healthier way?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >You can always break up and divorce instead of having affairs and being demeaning towards him.
            young women have more affairs than young men now. If you've noticed there's waaaaay less Charle's getting paired up now. What you don't understand is that giving women permission to just do what they want is a recipe to let them frick up and fail and never learn anything. It's not some pressure valve to let them express their shitty tendencies without harm.
            >Want some excitement? You're capable of doing lots of exciting things.
            like what?
            >Your husband is a boring village doctor? With enough will and effort you can become a renowned surgeon yourself so no need to live vicariously through him.
            Women don't bother doing that. Most men don't either. Most people don't actually care about their career, they just want to get by. I know women in med school. They don't want to be doctors, they've been guided into that life path on rails. But they don't actually give a shit about being a successful doctor. Some young guys dream about striking it rich, and that's it, and they frankly don't have all that vivid of an imagination about it even in the ivy league levels.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >What you don't understand is that giving women permission to just do what they want is a recipe to let them frick up and fail and never learn anything.
            How come?
            If I wasn't given a permission to work and do whatever I want with my life I would've definitely messed up someone else's but having a comfy job and doing all activities I enjoy keeps me at bay
            >Women don't bother doing that.
            The ones who are determined do. One of my friend was dissatisfied with her life so she decided to become deminer because why the hell not? Would be a shame for her to be confined even to her work at pharmaceutical field that she begun to dislike. I think individuals who are both not satisfied with their life and are very determined are capable of achieving lots of cool things

            >So I wonder how much of this trashiness is Emma's nature and how much of it would change if she had more freedom and maybe got some therapy.
            1000000 times worse. You don't understand that women are barrelling into the wrong direction and becoming less mentally healthy and strong minded than previous generations were. More anxious, depressed, shitty anti social people by any and every metric. You want to believe modern women have found something better, but they've actually found something worse and don't want to admit it.

            If you're emma, where the frick is your husband? Where's your phd? What about that plot of land you own? any kids? bovary is married and owns a house at 18, and is ready to start a family. Do you have any dream of doing that even by 30?wake the frick up. Love is dead, marriage is dead and owning anything in your life is a pipedream. Most people are growing up lonely depressed debt slaves. Emma Bovary would have the same shitty suicide now that she did then except she'd be a fat, druggy bawd with uggly tattoos and work at a gas station.

            >You don't understand that women are barrelling into the wrong direction and becoming less mentally healthy and strong minded than previous generations were.
            How come? Where I live it seems like younger people and women as well are way more healthier but it might be because previous generations had such shit lives that even not starving to death is a pretty good deal. Maybe in the West people just don't value what they have?
            >If you're emma, where the frick is your husband? Where's your phd? What about that plot of land you own? any kids? bovary is married and owns a house at 18, and is ready to start a family
            I didn't mean it in a literal sense but more like the traits I described in OP so I guess I'm modern Emma who's trying to be healthier and trying to channel her dumpster-fire into productive things and I think if she was actually healthier and not inherently a terrible person she would be like me, very involved in volunteering in her community, trying to have exciting jobs and trying to find excitement in friendships and new experiences

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How come?
            I can't say for sure. I have theories, but they're only my guesses. That women are degrading as a whole is obvious. But why they can't start improving themselves is not as incontrovertibly obvious. Perhaps it's the low standards they set for themselves and others. There's been a large campaign to lower women's standards of behavior. Maybe instead it's the censorship. There's a lot of men who made very valid critiques but were basically put on a muzzle. Perhaps if the discussion were allowed to be balanced and honest instead of oppressive and hypocritical by women against men they'd feel the need to improve. Perhaps it has less to do with the women themselves and more to do with how capitalism now has the ability to mine their lives of all joy and force them into debt slavery making them statistically more miserable than the women who used to care for children and hown houses. Women are trying to spin it like having a career is really great, but i think we all know that employment isn't actually as pleasant in a failed managed economy for aristocrats and tax cheats like this one as all the propaganda screams.
            >The ones who are determined do.
            Well, there aren't a lot of those apparently in a population. Of those disagreeable people who get determined, men make up more of the share, but frankly there's not a lot of them in either gender.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >That women are degrading as a whole is obvious
            It's actually not, why do you think so?
            >employment isn't actually as pleasant in a failed managed economy for aristocrats and tax cheats like this one as all the propaganda screams
            It's better than being a serf or not being able to work and manage your money
            >Well, there aren't a lot of those apparently in a population.
            But it's better than not having such opportunities at all which would make the lives of actually determined people even more miserable

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >It's actually not, why do you think so?
            if you actually look at women's mental health and rates of happiness and life expectancy, it's actually going down.
            >It's better than being a serf or not being able to work and manage your money
            It's the same as being a serf, and you don't manage your own money, you leave it in a bank who legally owns it, uses it as they wish, shutters you out and can very easily lose it on you. That's assuming you can even keep a deposit under conditions of usury. If you were a woman born 3 generations ago you'd own a house by now. Not anymore. You're a tenant almost certainly being undercut working for someone else's highly inflationary profit margin, and getting taxed by your landlord, bank, your town, state and also your federal government too if you live in the states, and then any obnoxious charges you pay just to get by like electricity, water internet, transportation fees just to go to work all price gouging you because you live in a monopolized government managed market that no longer even pretends to believe in competition.
            >But it's better than not having such opportunities at all
            in practice you DONT have them. You have the illusion of the choice of being successful. And 90% of the time all that is used for is a justification to blame you for shit you didn't accomplish. there's only so many seats in a game of musical chairs. We don't all actually have the chance to be doctors. Just the illusion.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >women as well are way more healthier but it might be because previous generations had such shit lives
            You're objectively wrong. Less mentally healthy, less happy and actually having lower lifespans empirically. Your lifespan is projected to be lower than your grandmother's now if you live in the west.

            https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2022/life-expectancy-is-declining-in-the-us

            If you live in the western world, you wanting to believe it's getting better for women, is a delusion you keep to avoid having a thought that women made a wrong turn somewhere. What wrong turn was it? i don't know. If women want a job i have no compunction about that. But clearly they fricked themselves up (along with the men they don't seem to give much of a shit about) and don't have the grace and temerity to look back and admit the mistake culturally.
            >Maybe in the West people just don't value what they have?
            Perhaps. Maybe we're all just ungrateful of indentured servitude.

            >if she was actually healthier and not inherently a terrible person she would be like me, very involved in volunteering in her community, trying to have exciting jobs and trying to find excitement in friendships and new experiences
            Good for you. Make the most out of it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Your lifespan is projected to be lower than your grandmother's now if you live in the west.
            I'm not from the West and given what my grandmother had to go through I'm sure my projected lifespan is way higher so I guess I'm more fortunate in this regard. Although I'm not sure if mental health statistics can be reliable. Like in the past way less people were diagnosed with mental illnesses so I would think that it would be more likely for a person to go with depression undiagnosed in the past then now considering higher mental health awareness.
            >wanting to believe it's getting better for women, is a delusion you keep to avoid having a thought that women made a wrong turn somewhere
            How come? I'm not from the West but it seems comfy and full of opportunities.
            >Perhaps. Maybe we're all just ungrateful of indentured servitude.
            It can be a good and a bad thing. Good because your standards are high enough so not literally starving doesn't inherently mean a good life for you. But without either valuing it or finding healthy ways to make it better it can make you really depressed indeed.
            >Good for you. Make the most out of it.
            I'll try to!

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >How come? I'm not from the West but it seems comfy and full of opportunities.
            if you come here you'll see it. Women are anxious, unfriendly, mannish and generally in a poor mood. Frankly i don't blame them as much as i probably sound like i do. They're working increasingly shitty jobs getting pumped for all their worth in the classic capitalist exploititive ways and the internet is a distorted communication terminal. In many developing countries the tradeoff is still worth it, and the culture rot hasn't penetrated. People are atomized and becoming antisocial.
            >but it seems comfy and full of opportunities.
            it's been less so for a lot of people. Your experience of comfort and opportunity is great, but don't assume it's the norm. The west is an elitist winner takes most kind of place. It's easy to have the plights of the majority go entirely ignored.
            >finding healthy ways to make it better it can make you really depressed indeed.
            we'll see what happens. At present the pressure is cooking and there's no cultural valve to release all the frustration in the west. Elites keep trying to keep control instead of admitting problems and trying to address them. As far as I can see, everyday people are upset, but still too apathetic enough to make state referendums to resolve the issues they care about or even learn who represents them.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >So I wonder how much of this trashiness is Emma's nature and how much of it would change if she had more freedom and maybe got some therapy.
            1000000 times worse. You don't understand that women are barrelling into the wrong direction and becoming less mentally healthy and strong minded than previous generations were. More anxious, depressed, shitty anti social people by any and every metric. You want to believe modern women have found something better, but they've actually found something worse and don't want to admit it.

            If you're emma, where the frick is your husband? Where's your phd? What about that plot of land you own? any kids? bovary is married and owns a house at 18, and is ready to start a family. Do you have any dream of doing that even by 30?wake the frick up. Love is dead, marriage is dead and owning anything in your life is a pipedream. Most people are growing up lonely depressed debt slaves. Emma Bovary would have the same shitty suicide now that she did then except she'd be a fat, druggy bawd with uggly tattoos and work at a gas station.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Apropos of the Wet Snow is the second part of Notes from the Underground. It's also another "Prostitute with a Heart of Gold" story.

            Just like in crime & Punishment, only a woman that the man sees as his inferior in the material world can shake his worldview by proving to be his superior in the spiritual world.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            i think it's that yeah, the Wikipedia summaries are written in a very...interpretative way (i thought their whole policy was they'd only explain the plot of fiction? whatever.)

            went through a Dostoevsky/similar phase (and hey have you guys heard of this band called The Smiths?), don't have the patience for it now tbqh. if you know any short stories or films that fit along the same lines, wouldn't mind a couple of recommendations.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Yes I've read NFTU, it's funny at certain parts but bleak, because unlike Raskolnikov the protagonist never gets any help and continues to destroys himself and people around him. It was a miserable read by the end, one of the worst ways for a person to live. I don't think I'll end up like that, hopefully...

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            yep it's been a long while which is why i only have a fleeting memory, Dostoevsky = bleak is pretty common. i just remember that one story/character standing out to me and sort of answering OP's question.

            would you say characters like that exist in real life, or at least people who fit that mould? i always took his writing as closer to what we'd call 'social realism' now, not something that was heavy on allegory or interpretation. but i'm definitely missing historical context there -- zero clue what pre-revolution Russia was like.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Some people on this site remind me of the underground man lol. Dostoevsky's characters are good, in my opinion in at least, exactly because they don't fit a mold of positive and negative traits. They're contradictory like real people and that's what makes them relatable. Dosto's own life experiences and the historical background of the Russian Empire are very important in contextualizing his work, but the latter is an extensive topic I'm not all that well versed on... I don't actually agree with Dostoevsky's politics very much at all. But I think there is always knowledge to be extracted, fiction as a mirror of reality.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Post-epiphany when he realizes that he's not superior to anyone else, that we're all on the same level and all stuck in this same struggle together, right?

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I prefer Seo from Gekkan soujo Nozaki-kun. Can't get me away from that autussy.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    the woman from The Yellow Wallpaper.

    i could fix her.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >Anyways, who's your ideal NSFFW bf or gf? For me it's definitely sweet old Charles Bovary who would love me despite me being a dumpster fire

    Natalie are you still hanging around?

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Seems like you confused me with someone because I'm definitely not Natalie
      Did she like Charles Bovary? A fellow woman of culture?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Seems like you confused me with someone because I'm definitely not Natalie
        Charles Bovary was the most cucked character ever in literature. He was a nice guy.
        Such a Natalie thing to adore.
        It's fine, Natalie, we can talk here. It will be our inside joke. But what you did was not nice.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Sweetheart, I'm pretty sure I've never called myself Natalie so you're definitely confused

          I get it. He's most certainly one of the most interesting literary characters out there. What I like about him is how his kind actions towards his loved ones contrast his batshit inner dialogue. He's complex and fricked up as all hell, but redeemable, I guess it actives the "I can fix him" thing like with Sonia.

          [...]
          That's what I'd much rather think. I'm stuck in my own head for too long at times.

          [...]
          He is edgy yes lol. Dosto's writing resonates a lot with me for some reason, maybe mental illness. A swirl of apathy, guilt, almost delirium, but I'd rather not derail the thread too much into venting. I'm the type of person who's closed off and needs someone to help me get out of my shell. Razumikhin is good at that.

          Oh, sorry to hear that. I guess he can be relatable if you have mental illness. Razumikhin definitely sounds like a healthier choice though! Maybe he can be an inspiration, like trying to channel your Razumikhin instead of your Raskolnikov. For me Madame Bovary is kind of like an inspiration to become a healthier version of Emma and I feel like you can also try something like this. Try to be like a healthier version of Raskolnikov trying to get out of this apathy and guilt

          >Never read it but I like the description of the book, might give it a go
          hits a very specific tone of someone going mad like an Edgar Allan Poe story from a woman's perspective (most likely postpartum depression).

          even the wider idea of women being 'hysterical' is appealing. and yes i've absolutely had a relationship with a BPD woman and everything that came with that. there's some kind of middle ground, on both sides of the relationship.

          >hits a very specific tone of someone going mad like an Edgar Allan Poe story from a woman's perspective (most likely postpartum depression).
          Sounds really cool!
          >even the wider idea of women being 'hysterical' is appealing. and yes i've absolutely had a relationship with a BPD woman and everything that came with that. there's some kind of middle ground, on both sides of the relationship.
          Hm, seems like it didn't lead to you hating BPD women though? It seems like a lot of people who have been dating them pretty much start hating BPD women

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Hm, seems like it didn't lead to you hating BPD women though? It seems like a lot of people who have been dating them pretty much start hating BPD women
            i get why people end up that way, and the best case scenario is you learn they're not your type and move on. if horrible shit has happened to you, work it out the best you can.

            but also there's definitely an allure as long as it's honest and you can understand your own limits and set boundaries. from the BPD people i've met they're self-aware about their behaviours, i just have no idea how people can help. i don't think it's some kind of social/relationship death sentence, and some types of therapy are showing positive results. still frustrating.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >Sweetheart, I'm pretty sure I've never called myself Natalie so you're definitely confused
            My mistake. Weird how the Natalie I talked to was also well read on Russian literature.
            Natalie, this is the incel/autism board. We are a threat to no one. Why try to bait us? Go try your shit on /misc/.
            You are pretty, tho.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            My dude, multiple people in this thread are talking about Russian literature because-- guess what-- it's actually pretty popular. Dostoevsky is, along with Tolstoy and Nabokov, at the entry level for the field. You're not special if you read it, and someone you notice reading it isn't special if they read it.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Take your horseshit somewhere else. There are like 3 females on this board. It's easy to spot one of these things is not like the others.

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Not NSFFW but a NSFFW adaptation: I want a sensible romance with Jane Austen's Elinor Dashwood. Simple affection without too much drama or theatrics. Just subtle intimacy and casual chemistry that gradually blossom over time into love. Some of you might even call it "boring", but to me it's just lovely.

    I haven't read the book yet but I will someday.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Sounds nice! Honestly I think it's actually pretty healthy. When it comes to guys who show their affection too fast it usually also goes away really fast so a slow subtle build-up of affection sounds way healthier

      what makes this appealing and where's the limit? either in fiction or in real life? depressing people can get draining, dating an actual serial killer or someone who had psychotic episodes must be rough, etc etc. might be fun to think about in stories.

      [...]
      >Dosto's writing resonates a lot with me for some reason, maybe mental illness. A swirl of apathy, guilt, almost delirium
      trying to remember if it was a Dostoevsky story (maybe Notes from Underground) where the protagonist fits what you're saying. middle-age civil servant, bit jaded, etc. but one short (?) story always stood out to me where he (or some similar character) meets a young woman who tries to bring him out of his shell.

      feel like the title had something to do with winter, Apropos of the Wet Snow?

      >what makes this appealing and where's the limit?
      I think the limit depends on a person but it definitely sounds more appealing in stories than real life. Especially if there's no progress when it comes to "fixing" the person

      >Hm, seems like it didn't lead to you hating BPD women though? It seems like a lot of people who have been dating them pretty much start hating BPD women
      i get why people end up that way, and the best case scenario is you learn they're not your type and move on. if horrible shit has happened to you, work it out the best you can.

      but also there's definitely an allure as long as it's honest and you can understand your own limits and set boundaries. from the BPD people i've met they're self-aware about their behaviours, i just have no idea how people can help. i don't think it's some kind of social/relationship death sentence, and some types of therapy are showing positive results. still frustrating.

      Yeah, it sounds really tough. It's sweet how you don't hate them and see hope for them though, that's refreshing. I guess with enough therapy and right environment it could get a lot better.
      I used to think I might have BPD because when I was like 18-20 I used to show a lot of symptoms (never got formally diagnosed though) but now even if I experience them sometimes they're way milder. Might have something to do either with me growing up and getting into a more healthy place in life. Or maybe I have it but there is a thing, most people in my situation kind of have like a really flat emotional state, mostly just feeling empty and I feel like I'm still more emotional than an average person in my situation so while it may have lead to most people just having flat emotional spectrum maybe for me it toned down my BPD to the emotional spectrum of a regular person more or less

      >Sweetheart, I'm pretty sure I've never called myself Natalie so you're definitely confused
      My mistake. Weird how the Natalie I talked to was also well read on Russian literature.
      Natalie, this is the incel/autism board. We are a threat to no one. Why try to bait us? Go try your shit on /misc/.
      You are pretty, tho.

      I'm not that well read on Russian literature. I just know Crime and Punishment but liking Russian literature and /misc/ at the same time seems kinda... logical? Kek

      Seo is a free-thinker, not some NPC.
      She's honest and always tells what's on her mind.
      Has empathy/critical thinking/BS detector interprets fiction in her own way, not the spoonfed evil(TM) vs good(TM) drama fight. It's a comedy for her and the bad guy is lowkey making sense.
      Into physical contact.
      Appreciates the smallest of gifts.
      Hard to anger.
      Also booba.
      Literary best gf material.

      She does sound pretty amazing!

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        >Especially if there's no progress when it comes to "fixing" the person
        this might be naive but i think most people are willing to accept they can change and would probably like to. pathological psychopaths, maybe not. i'd tend to be more reactionary and push back if someone tried to fix me, but i think therapy and reflection are useful. and sometimes that starts from other people.

        >most people in my situation kind of have like a really flat emotional state, mostly just feeling empty and I feel like I'm still more emotional than an average person in my situation so while it may have lead to most people just having flat emotional spectrum
        so where do you think that one lies on the old nature-vs-nature thing? you're describing being in some kind of situation, but where is it on the spectrum of 'just who you are' as opposed to 'circumstances made me this way'?

        in terms of true crime, i just want to mention that i watch/read an equal amount of material about female killers and female psychopaths. it's not male killers specifically who fascinate me, but people who act like humans and even come across as likeable often even though they are not actually humans inside, it's very scary and also interesting to me.
        and thanks for your concern. i'm talking about all this in a very straight-forward way though, i feel a general bitterness but if an individual acts polite/nice towards me, i still instinctively start to like them lol.

        no worries. like i say i just find THIS interesting, realise that one's a bit meta. but where are you going to get this down other than a dying anonymous message board for weirdos?

        i get the psychology of it is fascinating but the actual violence/murder aspects of it make me uncomfortable. it's like when you meet someone who comes off really charismatic or charming, then later on in turns out they were abusive or similar. which sucks because there are people who are genuinely pleasant or turn these traits into something beneficial. leader types without becoming ruthless CEOs.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          >get this down other than a dying anonymous message board for weirdos?
          get what down? I am esl.

          and yeah it is weird, because if someone is telling me irl about someone who genuinely seems psychopathic, it's mostly just uncomfortable to me and I don't feel that interested. I just watch a lot of videos about people like this, and actually seeing their behavior is more interesting, and also how they react to police questioning them and them trying to lie/manipulate their way out of it.
          but when reading about actual killers, it's just morbid, kinda the same appeal as a kid who reads creepypastas you know.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            >get what down? I am esl.
            i just mean 'writing it down somewhere', like keeping a diary or something.

            >if someone is telling me irl about someone who genuinely seems psychopathic, it's mostly just uncomfortable to me and I don't feel that interested
            same experiences here. until they've done something harmful, they're just wired differently. there are probably upsides, even: becoming a surgeon is the classic example.

            >but when reading about actual killers, it's just morbid, kinda the same appeal as a kid who reads creepypastas you know.
            that makes sense. i know a lot of people claim it's to learn to protect themselves, spot the signs, or something ... but really i think a lot of it is just morbid curiosity.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            oh I don't keep a diary or anything, these are just some random thoughts, I think I can always pretty easily recall the actual reasons behind why "i can fix him" characters appeal to me. or why I'm kinda interested in true crime.
            >but really i think a lot of it is just morbid curiosity.
            true. I mean I have watched gore too, but basically it's "gore for girls" lol.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            do you think you could turn this into something positive? outside of relationships. maybe friendships. but i'm thinking as a job or some kind of volunteering or supporting others.

            gore/fiction/horror stuff just seems like an interest really, like enjoying ____ music. but if you're open-minded and have the stomach for this sort of thing, i think you could make a positive change in the world.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks, any more specific ideas? I kinda get what you mean matbe but can't think of any examples. I have really really bad social skills so I don't think volunteering with people (like elders) would work ngl.

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Emma ovary didn't deserve charles. Maybe all the Charles's of the world wised up and acceptd they're never going to find love. Emma didn't love charles, she doesn't actually have a heart. She's just entertaining herself.

  11. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    how much credit card debt do you have

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Zero but it's just because of my circumstances where I have to save my money for a bunch of stuff. I'm sure if I was in other circumstances I would've spent lots of money on a bunch of unnecessary things

      >I did exhibit a lot of symptoms that toned down a lot but whether it's just maturing or my circumstances I'll probably never know.
      i mean we were all teenagers once, and we grew up! glad it's gotten better, whatever the reasons.

      i'd like to help people and i think i (mostly) have the patience for it. but i'm also not about to train as a DBT specialist or anything. just care about helping friends who are struggling. and i GET the stigma, maybe someone will come up with the answers. can be heartbreaking to witness.

      Being a good friend to a person who's struggling with such things can be a good way to fulfill this desire though!

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You mean
    >Tfw no chad bf

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