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>the iwnbaw feelings are getting worse
I want to start taking HRT but I'm scared

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    supplement a little estrogen and see how you feel, it's very easy to get, I take it to feel better mentally but stay 100% man

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah I know I could just order some DIY and get it quickly. Or I could play mental gymnastics and try to get it prescribed. I'm just a coward.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Normal men dont sit around 24/7 fricking wanting to be a woman. If anything its a fleeting thought of the grass would be greener.
        If youre sitting in the shower fricking crying about it on the fricking ground collapsed into a heap youre just fricking trans.
        Thats not normal. Cis men dont do that shit.

        You probably have other issues on top of that that you need to work through. See a psychologist. Youre emotionally damaged and probably have CPTSD or some shit.

        Its easy as frick to get it if you live in the usa. Pills have a half life of fricking 2-4 hours or some shit I forget. Shots are done either in 5 or 7 day intervals. It takes a month for your body to swap out hormones and know what a particular dose puts you at. If after like a month and a half you feel like dog shit because you clearly arent trans and give yourself temporary gender dysphoria by fricking with the chemicals of your endo system, you can just stop. Nobody is gonna hurt you. It wont kill you. Your balls wont explode. Nothing really bad will really happen. Worst case is your T will take 1-2 days to get manageable levels and if anything the first day might be like a period day for you and youll have no energy and feel run down and maybe cry but thats literally it. You could even wean yourself off it so you could build up the T levels a bit as you swap down the E. Ive gone through some 60 dosages and the only time it was shit was when I had completely nuked my T like 8 years in and wasnt getting enough E and my T levels were below female range and my E was below 95+ year old woman range. That gave me heart palpitations and my blood pressure was stuck at like 140/100. That was cause I was getting a super tiny dose of E that wasnt enough but was also suppressing the T because I was years into it and my patch delivery method of E didnt work at all. All I had to do was take more E or stop taking it and let T take over. Im probably the only one whose probably ever experienced this.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >sitting in the shower fricking crying about it on the fricking ground collapsed into a heap
          I've done that before.

          >All I had to do was take more E or stop taking it and let T take over.
          How did that feel? Isn't it weird to be constantly having to take hormones to surpress your own natural body?

          >Im probably the only one whose probably ever experienced this.
          This was a side effect of having poor hormone levels as in low E and low T? This feels like this happens to a lot of trannies.

          yeah i'm a manlet though

          I'm a manlet too but not female height ranges.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            whatever anon i'll trade you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What else do you have to offer?

            >I wish I were a 5'4 girl.
            i have literally been told i have "gigachad face structure" and that i look like ive been "mewing" multiple times recently. i sent my pics to 2 guys and they were like "body is ok.. but face.. (imagine someone pulling air through their teeth) and they were actually nice as hell as well so i know they werent saying it to hurt me.
            maybe i shouldn't have mentioned it, but i am proud of my height only because it's literally the only good feature i have. do you have a browbone that could shelter a whole migrant family? a jutting chin, a jaw that is wide and disgusting
            anyway my point is it doesn't matter if your face is fricked. and basically every face is fixable with facial feminization surgery. my face is fricked but im going to try work hard and get FFS for it. and i honestly think i might be ok with ffs. the issue is getting it

            My face is nonpassing as well as my body.

            >How did that feel? Isn't it weird to be constantly having to take hormones to surpress your own natural body?
            No. When I took E it was like I became normal and my brain just stopped being upset. So I just feel normal default now. Its not happy magical rays of sunshine. Im just not psychotic 24/7. The needles are annoying because sometimes I hit a blood vessel in my butt and I have to retry a few times. Most of the time its pretty much painless and I just keep trying new spots if it hurts until it goes in painlessly. I used to have my mom do it, but I found out its much easier to just do it myself and I dont really frick it up ever. You can actually wiggle the needle around pretty horrifically looking. Youd think it would be bad but its not really, stuff just shifts around it. Youd have to do some sort of like horror movie repetitive knife stabbing motion to actually do damage. Spinning it around like meatspin is actually pretty damn forgiving.

            >This was a side effect of having poor hormone levels as in low E and low T? This feels like this happens to a lot of trannies.
            No. They are probably like 50% cis male levels if they skip their meds or like 50% their cis female does of E.
            So like I dunno 80 T and like 120E or something

            I was non-detectable to 12 for T and my estrogen was I think 52?
            For ref normal female levels for estrogen is like 200+.

            I thought I was dying and I was in the ER and they were like youre not dying as far as we can tell. Its in your head with the E.
            I had really bad endocrinologists and we were trying to switch me to patches because insurance didnt cover it. You know how you see trannies with like 1 patch? I had fricking 8 of those mother frickers on me and I wasnt absorbing shit. My insurance wouldnt cover shots and this was the only way I could prove I needed them to make a formulary exception. So in anger and fear of my own life, I made them pay an ER visit instead. I did not die btw. It was a hell of a ride though.

            >I did not die btw. It was a hell of a ride though.
            That sounds really scary, that sounds like a fricking psychotic breakdown.

            I was also stubborn and not taking my pills because I thought: if I could just wait out the month ill have a correct measurement. When my fricking endocrinologist shouldve told me to "Just switch back to the pills and take a dose immediately and youll be fine in like 10-20 minutes and stay on the pills until we get the shots approved. I dont need "accurate measurements" to know that patches arent working. Your levels are most likely through the floor and just have the ER test them and see what they are and even logically if they cant, its 50/50 that your levels are too low or too high and the half-life of the pill is only 2 hours and its non-lethal so either taking off the patches or taking off the patches and a pill is the correct answer."

            From my own experience, astronomically low levels of both hormones feels like youre about to die and you have immense doom sitting over your soul. Having super high levels on pills, I felt nothing. Having super high levels on shots, I got immediate like 2 minutes later panic attack feeling after injection without any feeling of doom or death but like sorta that night terror feeling and I could only lay down for like 2-4 hours until it went away. Ive never met anyone whos ever had any of these experiences but me. Ive looked everywhere and on google. Everyone who takes them is just like: Side Effects: Include crying when I see the dog in the movie get left outside in the rain.

            Sometimes people say they feel emotionally unstable when messing with their hormones, I definitely feel I would be messing with my head in ways I'm not completely sure. Also as you mentioned you have to be careful and make sure your levels are always good.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            masculine and nonpassing? ofc your face is gonna be nonpassing without female fat distribution but is your bone structure completely fricked

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My bone structure is pretty masc. Iwnbaw.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >What else do you have to offer?
            lol wtf else would i offer you anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Idk any other feminine features you wish were more masc lol?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            not really besides kind of not wanting to have gyno

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah it was really intense but only because I chose to do that. It literally completely stopped when I popped a single pill when I got home lol.

            For me I have extreme gender dysphoria and it fixed me. Id kill anyone before going back. The real hellscape for me is not having my estrogen.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe not that intense but yeah a lot of trannies say their mood is dramatically different before and after injections. I'm just a coward for being afraid of breaking my brain by fricking with my hormones.

            not really besides kind of not wanting to have gyno

            I'd take your boob growth for myself if I could.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you wouldn't get very much at all it's just that it's definitely enough to make my chest not flat

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Well you don't want it and I want tiddies.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            take hrt then if you want tiddies anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah I just need to convince myself that being an old ass manmoder on HRT is even worth it.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            It's more worth it then now and you know it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and you know it
            I don't know. I want it to be true though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Maybe not that intense but yeah a lot of trannies say their mood is dramatically different before and after injections. I'm just a coward for being afraid of breaking my brain by fricking with my hormones.

            Nah thats just a meme. You get slightly emotional cause of the hormone change. My bad er experience was like rolling around in agony in the er like I was detoxing off meth levels of doom and death feeling. I am on the verge of death and I actually called my best friend to talk to him for the last time moment.

            The "emotional" shit they talk about after injections is like: "Teehee tumblr! I made you your favorite food for dinner" yay! level of emotional difference. happy dance! *girl fart*

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >How did that feel? Isn't it weird to be constantly having to take hormones to surpress your own natural body?
            No. When I took E it was like I became normal and my brain just stopped being upset. So I just feel normal default now. Its not happy magical rays of sunshine. Im just not psychotic 24/7. The needles are annoying because sometimes I hit a blood vessel in my butt and I have to retry a few times. Most of the time its pretty much painless and I just keep trying new spots if it hurts until it goes in painlessly. I used to have my mom do it, but I found out its much easier to just do it myself and I dont really frick it up ever. You can actually wiggle the needle around pretty horrifically looking. Youd think it would be bad but its not really, stuff just shifts around it. Youd have to do some sort of like horror movie repetitive knife stabbing motion to actually do damage. Spinning it around like meatspin is actually pretty damn forgiving.

            >This was a side effect of having poor hormone levels as in low E and low T? This feels like this happens to a lot of trannies.
            No. They are probably like 50% cis male levels if they skip their meds or like 50% their cis female does of E.
            So like I dunno 80 T and like 120E or something

            I was non-detectable to 12 for T and my estrogen was I think 52?
            For ref normal female levels for estrogen is like 200+.

            I thought I was dying and I was in the ER and they were like youre not dying as far as we can tell. Its in your head with the E.
            I had really bad endocrinologists and we were trying to switch me to patches because insurance didnt cover it. You know how you see trannies with like 1 patch? I had fricking 8 of those mother frickers on me and I wasnt absorbing shit. My insurance wouldnt cover shots and this was the only way I could prove I needed them to make a formulary exception. So in anger and fear of my own life, I made them pay an ER visit instead. I did not die btw. It was a hell of a ride though.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I was also stubborn and not taking my pills because I thought: if I could just wait out the month ill have a correct measurement. When my fricking endocrinologist shouldve told me to "Just switch back to the pills and take a dose immediately and youll be fine in like 10-20 minutes and stay on the pills until we get the shots approved. I dont need "accurate measurements" to know that patches arent working. Your levels are most likely through the floor and just have the ER test them and see what they are and even logically if they cant, its 50/50 that your levels are too low or too high and the half-life of the pill is only 2 hours and its non-lethal so either taking off the patches or taking off the patches and a pill is the correct answer."

            From my own experience, astronomically low levels of both hormones feels like youre about to die and you have immense doom sitting over your soul. Having super high levels on pills, I felt nothing. Having super high levels on shots, I got immediate like 2 minutes later panic attack feeling after injection without any feeling of doom or death but like sorta that night terror feeling and I could only lay down for like 2-4 hours until it went away. Ive never met anyone whos ever had any of these experiences but me. Ive looked everywhere and on google. Everyone who takes them is just like: Side Effects: Include crying when I see the dog in the movie get left outside in the rain.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >taking estrogen as some kind of recreational drug or recreational drug
      what is wrong with you
      take an antidepressant or a recreational drug, with little physical effects and no physical addictiveness
      estrogen acts as an SSRI, you could just take an SSRI.
      some metabolites of progesterone are positive allosteric modulators of GABA receptors (like benzodiazepines) which means there is probably actually some weak physical addiction potential with prog

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        *recreational drug or antidepressant

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >I want to start taking HRT but I'm scared
    What are you scared of anon?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >What are you scared of anon?
      Being a troon

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Honestly there are worse things. If your situation is worsening, it's not going to get better on its own...

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I'm still a coward but I think it's getting worse or maybe it comes and goes.
          I don't think I have actual troony dysphoria but I also feel horrible about it all the time.

          i take it for unrelated reasons and i'm still 100% a boy

          Where do you get it from?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i bought it online

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            From which DIY place? How long have you been doing it?
            I guess it's safe since so many trannies do it without problems but something about ordering estrogen online just feels weird.

            Dont bother, all the artificial hormones in the world wont make you any more of a woman than you are right now, which is not at all.

            It would obviously just be a coping mechanism.

            if you're cute and feminine you can just call yourself a hrt femboy and not a troon
            unfortunately i'm ugly and masculine and so am resigned to manmoding

            I'd also be resigned to manmoding.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >From which DIY place?
            teahrt.com is good but i havent tried their injections
            >I'd also be resigned to manmoding.
            im sorry anon. iktf, it'll at least stop it from getting worse. at the very least you'll know you are doing everything you can and won't be sitting on your deathbed regretting it.
            chances are you might be more feminine and cute then you realise though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but i havent tried their injections
            They only have injections so what are you getting from there?
            >and won't be sitting on your deathbed regretting it.
            Unless I regret trooning that is.
            >chances are you might be more feminine and cute then you realise though
            No since HRT can't change bone.

            >From which DIY place?
            there's a page with a list of them (idr the link) and i just picked the one that ships to me the fastest.
            >How long have you been doing it?
            i think like a year now. i was on just fin and then cypro for like a year before that.
            >something about ordering estrogen online just feels weird.
            well for me it was either that or i tell my parents and doctors that i want to be a woman and last time i tried that i wanted to shoot myself and backed out because that's just not the case. like i said i like being a boy and people will try convincing me i'm a troon and i'm just not lol.

            >well for me it was either that or i tell my parents and doctors that i want to be a woman and last time i tried that i wanted to shoot myself and backed out because that's just not the case.
            Well I wouldn't tell my parents but yeah having to go to a doctor and say that is kinda awkward and I'm kinda afraid of that as well but I'm also a bluepilled sheep that feels like ordering random hormones online from Brazil feels sketchy.
            Idk I'm a coward.

            hop on this stuff
            it's good
            iwnbaw mindset is for slaves

            >iwnbaw mindset is for slaves
            True, I am literally a textbook example of Nietzsche's slave mentality.

            At least you're self-aware, just turn to God and everything will be alright, unfortunately you must undo the brainwashing you had as a child with your troon thoughts.

            God isn't going to make me a girl.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >They only have injections so what are you getting
            sublingual and cypro
            >Unless I regret trooning that is.
            fair, assumed u were a repper
            >No since HRT can't change bone.
            ofc im saying just maybe its not as bad as you think

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >sublingual and cypro
            Are you getting the pills for sublingual from the same place?
            >fair, assumed u were a repper
            I am lol.
            >ofc im saying just maybe its not as bad as you think
            It is and thinking otherwise is just delusional.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm also a bluepilled sheep that feels like ordering random hormones online from Brazil feels sketchy
            i didn't give a frick because i'm equally distrustful of doctors. if it makes you feel better it's been a year and i'm not dead or anything. i have gyno now though which kind of sucks. also obviously you and i are not the same so i'm not going to tell you what you should do.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i didn't give a frick because i'm equally distrustful of doctors.
            Yeah that's another thing about being a troon I'd have to admit that if I ever see a doctor lol.
            What are you distrustful of, that they would hondose you or something else?

            >i have gyno now though which kind of sucks.
            I mean that's an intended effect of female hormones but having to hide that sounds like it would suck.

            i know multiple girls who get their stuff from BRAZILLLLL
            it's all fine

            DIY is probably fine I'm just a fricking coward who doesn't deserve to be a woman.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >DIY is probably fine I'm just a fricking coward who doesn't deserve to be a woman.
            shut up idiot
            if you want to be a chick, just do it
            deserve doesn't even come into the equation of life
            people don't "deserve" to do the things they like, they either do them or they don't
            so dont act like it's out of your control or that there are exterior forces, "deserving" to become a troony isn't a thing
            if you want to do something for once in your life, just do it
            i took that philosophy last year and it's helped with not being such a fricking idiot about things
            these homosexuals would bog you down with their moralism and guilt
            >boohoo i dont deserve it
            just take the stupid ass pills if you want them, its filling out an order address and popping them when you eat your tendies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >if you want to do something for once in your life, just do it
            >i took that philosophy last year and it's helped with not being such a fricking idiot about things
            >these homosexuals would bog you down with their moralism and guilt
            That sounds very Nietzsche pilled, are you the anon that mentioned slave mentality?

            >people don't "deserve" to do the things they like, they either do them or they don't
            That's what I mean by deserving. You deserve it if you do it and you don't if you don't do it.

            the only thing worse than not starting hrt earlier is not starting hrt at all

            this anon doesn't believe in you or want what's best for you, yes it is true that you probably won't look like your ideal version of a woman if you take hrt, but if you don't take hrt, then you probably have less of a chance unless you're finnstermaxxing

            [...]
            true, if anything we deserve better, people don't know what they have until they see us trying to approximate it

            >the only thing worse than not starting hrt earlier is not starting hrt at all
            If it was an obvious improvement with no risks or drawbacks this wouldn't be so hard.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That sounds very Nietzsche pilled, are you the anon that mentioned slave mentality?
            mhmm
            i'm an incredibly big fan of nietzsche
            i'm utterly driven and pay no mind to the squabbling of people who cry about my existence
            you need to overcome and become a troony
            simple as

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i'm utterly driven and pay no mind to the squabbling of people who cry about my existence
            Yeah but I need to live around them and depend on them for things as well.

            it's hard to explain honestly. i'd kind of just rather do shit myself if i can basically instead of having to trust someone else and i don't want to have to or know how to explain to a doctor that i don't want to be a troony despite being on that shit.
            >I mean that's an intended effect of female hormones
            yeah i know but i didn't really want it so it's more of a side effect to me.
            >having to hide that sounds like it would suck.
            yeah it does but whatever lol.
            >DIY is probably fine I'm just a fricking coward who doesn't deserve to be a woman.
            just do whatever you want bro.

            >i'd kind of just rather do shit myself if i can basically instead of having to trust someone else
            Yeah that's completely normal and ideally I could do everything myself.
            But I don't know how to make estrogen and I don't live innawoods so it's between being dependent on the DIY supplier or big pharma.
            Big pharma keeps you on a tight leash and low key I'm pretty sure most doctors here dislike trannies.

            >yeah i know but i didn't really want it so it's more of a side effect to me.
            It's the thing that makes it hardest to manmode since it's visible so it would be awkward to hide.

            >just do whatever you want bro.
            I want to stop being a coward and woman up and get on HRT and not frick it up.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Yeah but I need to live around them and depend on them for things as well.
            this is just a vague fear of the unknown manifesting into excuses
            i had people i have to depend on
            still did it, turns out most people don't give a shit and most are accepting
            if anything most people can't rationalize what being trans even is until it directly impacts someone in their life
            you'll be fine
            we all go through this anon, we ALL go through this

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >this is just a vague fear of the unknown manifesting into excuses
            Yeah my fears are my excuse for not trooning.
            Like health concerns or just the repercussions of having hormones on my medical record.
            >i had people i have to depend on
            I don't depend on anyone financially but I depend on the system.
            >still did it, turns out most people don't give a shit and most are accepting
            From what I've seen around me I'm not sure about it but I just want to be left alone and treated like a normal person.

            >It's the thing that makes it hardest to manmode since it's visible so it would be awkward to hide.
            for me they're small cause i've had an eating disorder up until now which i'm trying to fix currently. i can hide it with baggy clothes but still. there's shit you can take so that you don't get gyno apparently but i don't know if it works so i didn't bother. and you might actually want the gyno so idk.

            >i can hide it with baggy clothes but still.
            That's what I would have to do as well but the weather isn't always cold enough for that.
            >and you might actually want the gyno so idk.
            I do want boobs but I don't want to have to explain to everyone why I'm a man with breasts.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >That's what I would have to do as well but the weather isn't always cold enough for that.
            it's hot as frick where i live but tbf i don't really go out especially not during the day.
            >I do want boobs but I don't want to have to explain to everyone why I'm a man with breasts.
            my mom and one of my friends probably think i'm a troony. i need a haircut too. otherwise hiding it isn't that hard just annoying i think.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's hot as frick where i live but tbf i don't really go out especially not during the day.
            Yeah, if I were to troon I would ideally be a shut in who doesn't need to go out for anything.
            The life I'm dreaming of living as a manmoder is probably similar to what most robots are living now lol.
            But I also need a job and I probably need to work 3x as hard as anyone else to prove I'm not a worthless failure troony on the job...am I strong enough to do that?

            >i need a haircut too.
            I wanna learn how to cut my own hair, too bad nothing feminine will ever look good on me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The life I'm dreaming of living as a manmoder is probably similar to what most robots are living now lol.
            yeah i've been like this basically since i finished high school. i've always been a robot though and i'm a manlet so i figured i might as well at least not have to worry about balding and aging as much which is really the only thing that bothers me i think.
            >But I also need a job and I probably need to work 3x as hard as anyone else to prove I'm not a worthless failure troony on the job...am I strong enough to do that?
            i haven't had a job since high school. once i turn 22 or something i'll probably have to get my shit together sadly.
            >I wanna learn how to cut my own hair, too bad nothing feminine will ever look good on me.
            i want a boy haircut cause my hair is way too long rn but i don't know what (if anything) would look good on me and i'm too autistic to talk to a hairdresser much less cut my own hair lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >It's the thing that makes it hardest to manmode since it's visible so it would be awkward to hide.
            for me they're small cause i've had an eating disorder up until now which i'm trying to fix currently. i can hide it with baggy clothes but still. there's shit you can take so that you don't get gyno apparently but i don't know if it works so i didn't bother. and you might actually want the gyno so idk.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            if you dont take hrt rapeson will get you

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Then i will kill rapeson if he tries to do anything to me.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's hard to explain honestly. i'd kind of just rather do shit myself if i can basically instead of having to trust someone else and i don't want to have to or know how to explain to a doctor that i don't want to be a troony despite being on that shit.
            >I mean that's an intended effect of female hormones
            yeah i know but i didn't really want it so it's more of a side effect to me.
            >having to hide that sounds like it would suck.
            yeah it does but whatever lol.
            >DIY is probably fine I'm just a fricking coward who doesn't deserve to be a woman.
            just do whatever you want bro.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i know multiple girls who get their stuff from BRAZILLLLL
            it's all fine

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >From which DIY place?
            there's a page with a list of them (idr the link) and i just picked the one that ships to me the fastest.
            >How long have you been doing it?
            i think like a year now. i was on just fin and then cypro for like a year before that.
            >something about ordering estrogen online just feels weird.
            well for me it was either that or i tell my parents and doctors that i want to be a woman and last time i tried that i wanted to shoot myself and backed out because that's just not the case. like i said i like being a boy and people will try convincing me i'm a troon and i'm just not lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            actually yeah assuming you're in the us just do what

            >From which DIY place?
            teahrt.com is good but i havent tried their injections
            >I'd also be resigned to manmoding.
            im sorry anon. iktf, it'll at least stop it from getting worse. at the very least you'll know you are doing everything you can and won't be sitting on your deathbed regretting it.
            chances are you might be more feminine and cute then you realise though

            said. i don't think i knew about that one back when i was buying.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        i take it for unrelated reasons and i'm still 100% a boy

      • 3 weeks ago
        neanderthal kun

        if you're cute and feminine you can just call yourself a hrt femboy and not a troon
        unfortunately i'm ugly and masculine and so am resigned to manmoding

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        At least you're self-aware, just turn to God and everything will be alright, unfortunately you must undo the brainwashing you had as a child with your troon thoughts.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >undo your "brainwashing"
          >turn to god!
          lmao you're such a normie homosexual

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          the only thing worse than not starting hrt earlier is not starting hrt at all

          this anon doesn't believe in you or want what's best for you, yes it is true that you probably won't look like your ideal version of a woman if you take hrt, but if you don't take hrt, then you probably have less of a chance unless you're finnstermaxxing

          >DIY is probably fine I'm just a fricking coward who doesn't deserve to be a woman.
          shut up idiot
          if you want to be a chick, just do it
          deserve doesn't even come into the equation of life
          people don't "deserve" to do the things they like, they either do them or they don't
          so dont act like it's out of your control or that there are exterior forces, "deserving" to become a troony isn't a thing
          if you want to do something for once in your life, just do it
          i took that philosophy last year and it's helped with not being such a fricking idiot about things
          these homosexuals would bog you down with their moralism and guilt
          >boohoo i dont deserve it
          just take the stupid ass pills if you want them, its filling out an order address and popping them when you eat your tendies

          true, if anything we deserve better, people don't know what they have until they see us trying to approximate it

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        You got brainwashed. Everyone feels like shit nowadays (for good reasons) but you focus on something huge like your body and thinking that will fix anything. It won't, try lifting - a different but also extreme body change
        You will still feel like shit, you have an unfulfilled life. Break off from social media and even people, learn to build a little cabin and steal materials.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >try lifting
          lmao
          the ultimate repper cope
          it doesnt work
          i should know
          this is bullshit self help advice peddled by people that are completely OBLIVIOUS to how dysphoria works
          stop being boomer tier with your advice

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I just told you it wouldn't work. The issue isn't your body, its this meaningless 9-5 drudgery that saps your soul. You want to become female because they live easier than us with this lifestyle, not some bullshit of how you were always a girl all your life.

            Every male should frick off from society and start his own tribe or live alone. That will give us purpose and crumble this purgatory that women and israelites enjoy. Let them taste survival and have fear, while it frees you.

            You probably still won't get it but its the environment causing you to be fricked in the head and you will continue to be so even after your hormone soup. I do not need to guarantee it or give any proof as I have seen and heard it more than enough times.
            Unless you break your conditioning, of course. But I could always use another depressed cumbawd.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            didnt read
            you dont understand transness so keep your pseudo shit elsewhere, i'll trust my lived experience, my endocrinologist and every single ounce of evidence over your faux right wing garbage

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            i dont hate that my life is harder as a man. in fact itd probably be just as hard as a woman. i hate being masculine. i hate my masculine bone structure, my browbone that protrudes, my chin that juts out, my wide and very strong gigachad jaw (has been described as "can cut diamond")

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            tbf it was described as the cut diamond thing when i was 14 and ppl on the internet thought i was cute and girly so. who knows

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            neanderthal anon can I ask you a question. how is your voice? Im not trans but do people really voice train to fix their voice, or is that a myth and it can only be fixed with surgery

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            my voice is masculine as shit but i dont complain about it because its my fault for not voice training. i just dont see the point if im not gonna present female for years if not ever
            if i had a choice id be a hrt femboy anyway im just too masculine to be a femboy

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            also yeah we do have to voice train hrt doesnt do shit. though i think there are surgeries that can feminize voice so idk

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing wrong with being trans, just stay away from liberals, they'll try to use you for their own political gains (as they do with every other minority). Also stay away from conservatives for more obvious reasons.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >Nothing wrong with being trans, just stay away from everyone
          LEL

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone
            There's another crowd to hang with that I didn't mention. Also it ain't my fault that liberals are so exploitative and fake, and that conservatives are hateful bullies.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Dont bother, all the artificial hormones in the world wont make you any more of a woman than you are right now, which is not at all.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      i am a woman and i have a dick
      how does that make you feel overall?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It makes me feel like you arent a woman, tbh.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          all the boys wanna be with me tho

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yeah there are plenty of homosexuals out there, anon, shouldnt be a surprise to you of all people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            straight men
            i'm like prime britney spears to these homies i gotta fight 'em off

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            If a man wants to frick you, another man, he aint straight, lmao. But sure, this is NSFFW with daily I am straight but I love to suck dicks and take it up the ass threads so maybe youre right after all.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i wouldn't say they wanna frick me per se, more like they want my attention and want me to be their friends and glory them with my female embodiment so i may raise their elo with bio women bodies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thats some made up autistic bullshit and you know it, no woman is gonna frick a man because he hangs out with a troon come on now.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's just my brain dude, it's female
            i didn't troon out nor will i ever, i just fully embrace that my mind is that of a woman's and with it comes all their power and ability

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            wait what im confused now
            are you a fembrained femboy what are you
            if you're not a troon how can you be a woman with a dick

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            my brain is 100% woman, like whatever that means is what it is

            What power and ability? Womens power comes almost exclusively from their bodies and holes. You really are gay, huh?

            i can make them attractive to women by bullying them and fighting with them, if they accept me and submit they gain extreme elo with women

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            > i can make them attractive to women by bullying them and fighting with them, if they accept me and submit they gain extreme elo with women
            This is just some elaborate internal fantasy, it doesnt even make any sense.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            women are kinda like a hivemind, if one hates you they all kinda hate you bro
            i see that on men, and i challenge them on it
            if they submit in the challenge and accept me as the greater person, their elo gets fixed and women will start to see them as a person once more

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Its always revealing with lgbt types that the sex stuff is only the surface level of the insanity.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yea i know it's crazy bro, but trust let me cook
            in your case it doesn't matter, ur well loved & marked by ur mother and u have nothing to worry about in that regard

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What power and ability? Womens power comes almost exclusively from their bodies and holes. You really are gay, huh?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            your biological clock will masculinize your brain by the time you are in your late twenties. you will be your father by your early thirties.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            life has a very different path for me sadly
            being a father coulda been cool tho, oh well

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you will be your father by your early thirties.
            So I better troon out before then.

            life has a very different path for me sadly
            being a father coulda been cool tho, oh well

            >being a father coulda been cool tho, oh well
            I never would want that.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            children are a constant radiation of empathetic emotional glory
            to feel their excitement of seeing the world and experiencing everything for the first time is breath taking
            this is why women want many kids
            sadly men don't seem to gather the same experience

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            This radiant beam of life is slowly going to die from parents who aren't ready to be parents. Fix yourself before then have kids

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    hop on this stuff
    it's good
    iwnbaw mindset is for slaves

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Troon troon
    Over-sexed baboon
    Cut off your nuts with a rusty spoon

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    dont care + didnt ask + cry about it + stay mad + get real + L + mald seethe cope harder + h0es mad + basic + skill issue + ratio + you fell off

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    why is this board suddenly troony infested
    ack yourselves earlier please

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      trannies don't just kill themselves anon. they need your encouragement

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      hrt reduces our suicide risk dramatically
      you as a lonely homosexual moid on /NSFFW/ however are doomed

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        im more concerned with the risk of delaying suicide

        [...]
        if trannies offend you, you're a troony
        sry i don't make the rules

        you are just polluting the place, its the the same as spamming racebait. you even have your own containment board even though you dont deserve it and furries dont even have one

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      trannies don't just kill themselves anon. they need your encouragement

      if trannies offend you, you're a troony
      sry i don't make the rules

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Troons offend me, if that makes me one, so be it, I still dislike the freakshows.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Same thing anon but I'm not a gay all though I'm getting female instincts and started finding more built women appealing, I got scared that one day I might just break the barrier... So I stopped

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >started finding more built women appealing,
      Is that fembrained? I thought it was malebrained to find physically healthy women attractive.

      >The life I'm dreaming of living as a manmoder is probably similar to what most robots are living now lol.
      yeah i've been like this basically since i finished high school. i've always been a robot though and i'm a manlet so i figured i might as well at least not have to worry about balding and aging as much which is really the only thing that bothers me i think.
      >But I also need a job and I probably need to work 3x as hard as anyone else to prove I'm not a worthless failure troony on the job...am I strong enough to do that?
      i haven't had a job since high school. once i turn 22 or something i'll probably have to get my shit together sadly.
      >I wanna learn how to cut my own hair, too bad nothing feminine will ever look good on me.
      i want a boy haircut cause my hair is way too long rn but i don't know what (if anything) would look good on me and i'm too autistic to talk to a hairdresser much less cut my own hair lol.

      >i might as well at least not have to worry about balding and aging as much
      Yeah those things bother me a lot as well.
      I can't NEET as a troon so I have to deal with society and I want to be a better person. I feel like I could be a successful man if I man up and that's way easier than taking the troony pills.
      >i haven't had a job since high school. once i turn 22 or something i'll probably have to get my shit together sadly.
      Are your parents gonna kick you out then or something?
      >i'm too autistic to talk to a hairdresser much less cut my own hair lol.
      I relate but you're less of a coward than I am for being able to get on HRT without being afraid.
      Nothing looks good on me though, everything I do with my hair makes me look like a man.

      children are a constant radiation of empathetic emotional glory
      to feel their excitement of seeing the world and experiencing everything for the first time is breath taking
      this is why women want many kids
      sadly men don't seem to gather the same experience

      Doesn't really interest me, I feel like having kids is selfish since you're forcing other people who to be a part of your own goals.
      >this is why women want many kids
      I wanna be an autistic woman that never wants kids.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >I can't NEET as a troon so I have to deal with society and I want to be a better person.
        what difference does you being a troon make for that even?
        >I feel like I could be a successful man if I man up and that's way easier than taking the troony pills.
        yeah i kind of get it. i'm technically not a neet though i'm kind of just bullshitting my way through uni rn.
        >Are your parents gonna kick you out then or something?
        not necessarily but i can't imagine they'll be happy if i'm still doing fricking nothing by then lol.
        >I relate but you're less of a coward than I am for being able to get on HRT without being afraid.
        idk i was kind of scared at first but it's not that serious to me anymore it's kind of like any other drug i guess. but maybe that's just me coping with the fact that i'm fricked up and have gyno and shit now.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >iwnbaw
    You will always be a winner

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Embrace your manhood, HRT will just make you a subhuman

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What does embracing manhood even mean? Being male doesn't need to be embraced since that's just a biological characteristic of me.

      >I can't NEET as a troon so I have to deal with society and I want to be a better person.
      what difference does you being a troon make for that even?
      >I feel like I could be a successful man if I man up and that's way easier than taking the troony pills.
      yeah i kind of get it. i'm technically not a neet though i'm kind of just bullshitting my way through uni rn.
      >Are your parents gonna kick you out then or something?
      not necessarily but i can't imagine they'll be happy if i'm still doing fricking nothing by then lol.
      >I relate but you're less of a coward than I am for being able to get on HRT without being afraid.
      idk i was kind of scared at first but it's not that serious to me anymore it's kind of like any other drug i guess. but maybe that's just me coping with the fact that i'm fricked up and have gyno and shit now.

      >what difference does you being a troon make for that even?
      Being a troon makes all of that harder for obvious reasonsl.
      >yeah i kind of get it. i'm technically not a neet though i'm kind of just bullshitting my way through uni rn.
      Are you at least showing up to class and passing?
      >idk i was kind of scared at first but it's not that serious to me anymore it's kind of like any other drug i guess.
      Yeah I guess I just want to skip to the part where I settle down and just a normal part of my life.

      Take anti-psychotic meds, trannism is a symptom of genuine schizophrenia and taking female hormones is as bad as replying to the voices, it might make you feel ok at first, but it will only get worse.

      If I start going schizo why can't I do both?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Being a troon makes all of that harder for obvious reasons
        yeah fair i guess. i wouldn't know cause i'm a robot and i don't consider myself a troon.
        >Are you at least showing up to class and passing?
        barely lmao.
        >Yeah I guess I just want to skip to the part where I settle down and just a normal part of my life.
        i mean nothing really changed for me i think except my parents probably think i'm a troony i guess.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >yeah fair i guess. i wouldn't know cause i'm a robot and i don't consider myself a troon.
          I would also just be a man on estrogen.
          >barely lmao.
          Barely is better than not at all.
          >i mean nothing really changed for me i think except my parents probably think i'm a troony i guess.
          Maybe they just don't even realize.

          The HRT won't save you, anon. Trannies have an unnaturally short life expectancy. You will never have a uterus, you will never have ovaries, you won't be able to give birth, and that adam's apple can't be hidden.
          It's ploy by the medical industry to sell more drugs. Drugs won't make you happy, anon. They are just a bandaid over a much larger issue or to help you carry yourself through the day. Drugs do not solve your issues.

          So what do you think would make me happy?
          >Trannies have an unnaturally short life expectancy.
          Because of 41% and all that?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I would also just be a man on estrogen.
            well yeah but you said you want to troon out.
            >Barely is better than not at all.
            yeah if it was not at all i'd probably be fricked so
            >Maybe they just don't even realize.
            i mean my mom has asked me about it multiple times i think ever since she found my needles. my dad has never said anything except for this one time some dude somehow mistook me for a girl and he was kind of pissed but he hasn't mentioned it since. aside from that i haven't really had any problem living as a guy still but like i said i've always been kind of a depressed shut in anyways.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >well yeah but you said you want to troon out.
            By troon out I just mean getting on HRT before I start balding or masculinizing more.
            >yeah if it was not at all i'd probably be fricked so
            More responsible than me tbhon.
            >i mean my mom has asked me about it multiple times i think ever since she found my needles.
            So they found out? Or do they just think you're taking hard drugs?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >By troon out I just mean getting on HRT before I start balding or masculinizing more.
            okay yeah no big deal then
            >More responsible than me tbhon.
            lol thanks i guess anon.
            >So they found out? Or do they just think you're taking hard drugs?
            yeah she thought i was troony and asked why i have boobs but i told her i'm not a troony

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >okay yeah no big deal then
            I mean it's over for me anyways for passing or not looking like a man.
            >yeah she thought i was troony and asked why i have boobs but i told her i'm not a troony
            So what do they think now?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I mean it's over for me anyways for passing or not looking like a man.
            i like being a boy so i don't really think about that stuff. i was already an incel before anyways so idc.
            >So what do they think now?
            no idea they just stopped asking about it lol.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Take anti-psychotic meds, trannism is a symptom of genuine schizophrenia and taking female hormones is as bad as replying to the voices, it might make you feel ok at first, but it will only get worse.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    The HRT won't save you, anon. Trannies have an unnaturally short life expectancy. You will never have a uterus, you will never have ovaries, you won't be able to give birth, and that adam's apple can't be hidden.
    It's ploy by the medical industry to sell more drugs. Drugs won't make you happy, anon. They are just a bandaid over a much larger issue or to help you carry yourself through the day. Drugs do not solve your issues.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's kinda fricked that trans people are so generally despised and hated that they come to the one board where being the biggest social outcast is the common thread for people and the bullied masses tell you to have a nice day, that you're a disgusting delusional freak, etc.
    trannies are such actual outcasts that non trans robots think of you as low enough on the totem pole to treat as subhuman
    you lose all your friends, your parents probably hate you, its significantly harder to find a job, you have zero protection as an identifiable class, governments constantly try to deprive you of your medication for dysphoria, you're bullied as an adult, you get an insane threat of hate crime, people yell at you in the streets
    but you're not a REAL outcast, sorry
    the real outcasts batter you over the head with their religion and bias against your entire existence because they saw a troony in an advertisement once and the youtube video said that was bad
    insane

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah you've described why I'm such a coward about trooning. I wish it were easy.
      Part of me copes by telling myself I have to be successful otherwise to make up for it, which I'm not really.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        tbh anon it's fine
        just over thinking it
        i lost all my old friends but i made new ones
        the nice part about being trans is that you do end up finding pretty nice communities of people and it's healthy
        most trans people AREN'T successful
        they're scraping by, they're artists living in poor conditions, they're frozen in fear, etc.
        you're gonna be pretty typical and that's okay

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >the nice part about being trans is that you do end up finding pretty nice communities of people and it's healthy
          I don't want to be part of a troony community or anything like that.
          >they're scraping by, they're artists living in poor conditions, they're frozen in fear, etc.
          >you're gonna be pretty typical and that's okay
          I would be closer to the agp stem troon stereotype.

          >I mean it's over for me anyways for passing or not looking like a man.
          i like being a boy so i don't really think about that stuff. i was already an incel before anyways so idc.
          >So what do they think now?
          no idea they just stopped asking about it lol.

          Have you ever gotten your levels tested?
          >i like being a boy so i don't really think about that stuff.
          I don't look like a boy I look like a man.
          >no idea they just stopped asking about it lol.
          Well yeah I'm worried about drawing attention especially if I'm too much of a moron to DIY and need to talk to a probably homophobic endo.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't want to be part of a troony community or anything like that.
            that's what every troony thinks until they start actually hanging out with trannies irl and realize that its actually really rewarding

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >until they start actually hanging out with trannies irl
            Oh god I don't want that at all. I can't think of any way that would end up going well for me.

            >Have you ever gotten your levels tested?
            yeah once and they were too high apparently so now i just inject a little less idk.
            >I don't look like a boy I look like a man.
            what's the difference for you? idk i look my age i guess. maybe a little younger.
            >Well yeah I'm worried about drawing attention especially if I'm too much of a moron to DIY and need to talk to a probably homophobic endo.
            wdym drawing attention? anyway idk bro i'm pretty moronic and i was able to figure it out.

            >yeah once and they were too high apparently so now i just inject a little less idk.
            Do you feel better once you did that? Also did you feel awkward at the lab?
            >what's the difference for you?
            I just look older and more masculine.
            >wdym drawing attention?
            Idk I'm worried about getting outed or people realizing.
            >anyway idk bro i'm pretty moronic and i was able to figure it out.
            I'm more moronic than you are.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Oh god I don't want that at all. I can't think of any way that would end up going well for me.
            they're just a bunch of people that know how you feel
            you don't have to explain to them only for them to get a vague understanding
            they get you on an intimate level that others can't

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'd prefer to avoid it if I could. /tttt/ is already a shithole and even they complain about IRL troony spaces.
            I'm just gonna manmode and cope.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            /tttt/ is a shithole and they complain about trans spaces
            what should that tell you about trans spaces lol
            that they're probably okay, and that the sour grape lovers are just sad
            the people here also decry you for having troony thoughts, dont fold to people on boards

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >what should that tell you about trans spaces lol
            It doesn't really tell me anything but I still don't want to be a troony surrounded by other trannies.
            I don't want to be visibly trans.

            >You're doing better than me then.
            yeah i guess. i don't even know if i should be on this shit but it's better than the alternative imo.
            >If you're an adult I don't know if they're allowed to talk to your parents about that.
            they didn't tell my mom but she asked me to see it afterwards anyways.
            >I'm in my late twenties kek. I'm way too fricking old to be having these thoughts.
            oh yeah idk then anon. when i was a teenager i didn't even think i'd make it to 20.
            [...]
            i don't get it either tbh.
            [...]
            nothing wrong with that

            >i don't even know if i should be on this shit but it's better than the alternative imo.
            I can't tell you but you're on it and I'm not and I don't know what that says about either of us.
            >they didn't tell my mom but she asked me to see it afterwards anyways.
            How did she react?
            >oh yeah idk then anon. when i was a teenager i didn't even think i'd make it to 20.
            Yeah I'm pathetic. I wasn't really thinking about my future back then either.

            >nothing wrong with that
            Most people would consider that a troony or close to it.

            same but i'm too old.

            Same.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't want to be visibly trans.
            cant relate but i get it
            personally?
            face piercings and a trans pride pin on my bag

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            honestly if i ever pass ill be proud of being a troon and wont be ashamed of it and keep it a secret. but right now i am a man that wants to be a woman. what is there to be proud of
            if i ever pass itll be with hard work and surgeries that i had to work to pay for. ill be proud to be trans then

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            im proud because the alternative is shame and im not going to kowtow to the morals of a bunch of normies

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            personally im not ashamed about being trans im ashamed about being trans yet masculine
            thats fricking based though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            ygmi
            dw
            it'll come with time

            >meaning theres not much difference between 18 and 28
            There's some difference but it's not as strong as puberty, and I could always go bald or something as I get older.
            >either way you clearly made this thread because you want someone to convince you take HRT
            Nobody is going to convince me except myself.
            >you really don't want it to get worse.
            I'm only scared that HRT will make it worse.

            [...]
            >It won't, try lifting - a different but also extreme body change
            Lifting isn't an extreme body change, I used to lift and did starting strength when I was younger.

            [...]
            >face piercings and a trans pride pin on my bag
            I don't think I could do that. Don't want to draw attention, get hatecrimed, or something like that. No advantage to doing that for me.

            [...]
            He's kinda right at least about that we should all should take better care of our health.

            >He's kinda right at least about that we should all should take better care of our health.
            yeah but he doesnt actually give af about your health otherwise he'd want you to treat your dysphoria and get a fat ass
            instead he wants you to be a manly man repper bro lifting BIG weights

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I can't tell you but you're on it and I'm not and I don't know what that says about either of us.
            lmao me neither. but i've been on it for like a year so i'm not gonna stop.
            >How did she react?
            with the same questions and awkward conversation about whether or not i'm a troony. she's trying to be nice i guess.
            >Yeah I'm pathetic.
            you're fine anon i'm sure you can still sort shit out.
            >Most people would consider that a troony or close to it.
            close maybe but i don't want to be a girl or even crossdress honestly so idc. i just hate aging and hair loss more than anything.

            the people on this board are not nearly as evil as the luckshits on lgbt anon
            even though incels fricking hate me i prefer to talk to them then other trannies. being an ugly troony is a fricking death sentence

            i'm an incel and evil as frick

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            idk if you're evil but you and other people on this board don't make me want to kill myself every time i see your posts. even though you probably mog me id rather cope and pretend u dont

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            also basically every luckshit on lgbt makes me want to kill myself but im talking about the ones that are mean and intentionally gloat how much better their genetics are

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >idk if you're evil
            very
            >even though you probably mog me
            idk but you expect a lot from a several year long NSFFW user

            >but i've been on it for like a year so i'm not gonna stop.
            Mogs me.
            >with the same questions and awkward conversation about whether or not i'm a troony. she's trying to be nice i guess.
            Well at least your parents didn't kick you out.
            >you're fine anon i'm sure you can still sort shit out.
            I got this far without doing so.
            >i just hate aging and hair loss more than anything.
            I don't think anyone likes that.

            [...]
            >get a fat ass
            Squats help with that kek.

            [...]
            >The issue isn't your body, its this meaningless 9-5 drudgery that saps your soul.
            Those are two different issues. I also hate the 9-5 bullshit job hustle and want to escape the grind to accomplish my own goals in life but I also want to be a woman.

            >Every male should frick off from society and start his own tribe or live alone.
            Then why are you still on the internet instead of homesteading in the woods with the boys?

            >Well at least your parents didn't kick you out.
            well my dad hates it i think but he just doesn't say anything so whatever.
            >I got this far without doing so.
            look on the bright side you're not dead or anything so that's good anon.
            >I don't think anyone likes that.
            yeah but i hate it more than most people

            i dont hate that my life is harder as a man. in fact itd probably be just as hard as a woman. i hate being masculine. i hate my masculine bone structure, my browbone that protrudes, my chin that juts out, my wide and very strong gigachad jaw (has been described as "can cut diamond")

            tbf it was described as the cut diamond thing when i was 14 and ppl on the internet thought i was cute and girly so. who knows

            >strong gigachad jaw
            lol i have that too i think

            neanderthal anon can I ask you a question. how is your voice? Im not trans but do people really voice train to fix their voice, or is that a myth and it can only be fixed with surgery

            >but do people really voice train to fix their voice
            yeah i did it to change my voice a little

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >idk but you expect a lot from a several year long NSFFW user
            most people here are feminine/unmasculine guys who are insecure about it
            also how are you evil
            >lol i have that too i think
            i mean it wasnt the dealbreaker cause i still looked cute and feminine with it, it was the protruding browbone growing in that really fricked me over and made me look like 5 years older and really manly

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >most people here are feminine/unmasculine guys who are insecure about it
            i mean being unmasculine doesn't necessarily make you an incel / unattractive though
            >also how are you evil
            i just am.

            >well my dad hates it i think but he just doesn't say anything so whatever.
            I can't imagine taking HRT while living with family.
            >look on the bright side you're not dead or anything so that's good anon.
            Yeah but I'm a normal /NSFFW/ robot failure.
            >yeah but i hate it more than most people
            At least you're doing something about it. Taking actions to solve problems makes you better than most people.

            >I can't imagine taking HRT while living with family.
            i mean i don't really have a choice and they don't really say anything anyways.
            >Yeah but I'm a normal /NSFFW/ robot failure.
            yeah but doesn't mean you can't change it i guess.
            >At least you're doing something about it. Taking actions to solve problems makes you better than most people.
            i guess so.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i mean i don't really have a choice and they don't really say anything anyways.
            Still good to have a plan just in case but I shouldn't be talking.
            >yeah but doesn't mean you can't change it i guess.
            I guess but at this age many things are different.
            >i guess so.
            It's unironically true.

            You will in fact never be a woman anon

            Then what can I be?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Still good to have a plan just in case but I shouldn't be talking.
            yeah true honestly but i have no idea what i'm doing.
            >I guess but at this age many things are different.
            yeah maybe i don't know then. i think i feel the same mentally as when i was a teenager just not as moronic.
            >It's unironically true.
            anon i just do a shot every week and it's kind of annoying and makes me want to kms that's about it lol.
            >Then what can I be?
            what's so good about being a woman anyways i'm curious

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yeah true honestly but i have no idea what i'm doing.
            You seem to know why you are doing the things you are doing though.
            >i think i feel the same mentally as when i was a teenager just not as moronic.
            I feel that way but that I'm also very different which sounds like I'm not saying anything but it's hard to explain.
            >anon i just do a shot every week and it's kind of annoying and makes me want to kms that's about it lol.
            Anon that's more than I do every week.

            >what's so good about being a woman anyways i'm curious
            Idk I just want my body to be more feminine and I want to be treated more like a girl in some ways.
            There's a lot of bad things about being a woman which I've never experienced but those are different challenges to overcome.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            anon if you want that just start hrt it will get you closer to this goal. it will stop masculinization and make your skin softer and redistribute fat in your face to make your features more soft and feminine
            teahrt.com

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >i mean being unmasculine doesn't necessarily make you an incel / unattractive though
            i agree for sure but most guys want to be masculine

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            idk wanting to be pretty or whatever as a guy doesn't necessarily mean you have to be completely effeminate / troon out. being hypermasculine works for some dudes i guess but i don't think it's inherently ideal for every guy. i say this a lot but honestly i don't know if i'm the biggest fan of being fricking 5'4" though i think i'd prefer to be taller. i might not even be here if i wasn't so short lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            i'm 5'4 cause of the same portumonkey genes that made me high T, hairy and a manly face lol
            my height is the only good part about me but i'd trade it to be tall and have a cute soft feminine face
            i get the pretty thing. i think if i had a pretty face or looked cute like hooni i wouldn't have gender dysphoria

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the fact that i'm 5'4" probably also has to do with the genes that gave me fricking thick black hair and black eyes. yet i'm still ghostly pale but that's probably in part because of my lifestyle. anyways i'm told being 5'4" isn't necessarily bad for someone like me but i'd still rather be taller.

            >yeah true honestly but i have no idea what i'm doing.
            You seem to know why you are doing the things you are doing though.
            >i think i feel the same mentally as when i was a teenager just not as moronic.
            I feel that way but that I'm also very different which sounds like I'm not saying anything but it's hard to explain.
            >anon i just do a shot every week and it's kind of annoying and makes me want to kms that's about it lol.
            Anon that's more than I do every week.

            >what's so good about being a woman anyways i'm curious
            Idk I just want my body to be more feminine and I want to be treated more like a girl in some ways.
            There's a lot of bad things about being a woman which I've never experienced but those are different challenges to overcome.

            >You seem to know why you are doing the things you are doing though.
            lmao i don't feel that way sometimes but thank you anon.
            >I feel that way but that I'm also very different which sounds like I'm not saying anything but it's hard to explain.
            i kind of get it i guess.
            >Anon that's more than I do every week.
            lol come on i kind of doubt that.
            >
            Idk I just want my body to be more feminine and I want to be treated more like a girl in some ways.
            fair enough. from the times i've been treated as a girl online because apparently i type like one sometimes or something it's overall kind of lame except people are nicer to you i guess. idfk.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            damn i fricked up the quoting but you can probably still read that i hope

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah the fact that i'm 5'4" probably also has to do with the genes that gave me fricking thick black hair and black eyes. yet i'm still ghostly pale but that's probably in part because of my lifestyle. anyways i'm told being 5'4" isn't necessarily bad for someone like me but i'd still rather be taller.
            [...]
            >You seem to know why you are doing the things you are doing though.
            lmao i don't feel that way sometimes but thank you anon.
            >I feel that way but that I'm also very different which sounds like I'm not saying anything but it's hard to explain.
            i kind of get it i guess.
            >Anon that's more than I do every week.
            lol come on i kind of doubt that.
            >
            Idk I just want my body to be more feminine and I want to be treated more like a girl in some ways.
            fair enough. from the times i've been treated as a girl online because apparently i type like one sometimes or something it's overall kind of lame except people are nicer to you i guess. idfk.

            >5'4"
            Frick off I wish I were a 5'4 girl.

            yeah the fact that i'm 5'4" probably also has to do with the genes that gave me fricking thick black hair and black eyes. yet i'm still ghostly pale but that's probably in part because of my lifestyle. anyways i'm told being 5'4" isn't necessarily bad for someone like me but i'd still rather be taller.
            [...]
            >You seem to know why you are doing the things you are doing though.
            lmao i don't feel that way sometimes but thank you anon.
            >I feel that way but that I'm also very different which sounds like I'm not saying anything but it's hard to explain.
            i kind of get it i guess.
            >Anon that's more than I do every week.
            lol come on i kind of doubt that.
            >
            Idk I just want my body to be more feminine and I want to be treated more like a girl in some ways.
            fair enough. from the times i've been treated as a girl online because apparently i type like one sometimes or something it's overall kind of lame except people are nicer to you i guess. idfk.

            >lmao i don't feel that way sometimes but thank you anon.
            You at least did something about your situation instead of whining about it, I think you're better than me for that.

            >lol come on i kind of doubt that.
            I mean besides that what would I do more than you?

            >something it's overall kind of lame except people are nicer to you i guess
            Idk there's probably a lot of downsides, I know if I were a girl then men would take me far less seriously and I would never really be part of their group. And walking alone outside as a woman sounds scary.

            HRT will absolutely make it worse. I quit once I realized all my feelings of dysphoria and whatever were just porn-induced and only validated due to our rotting culture of lies and hedonism. Now I'm still a neurotic and insecure man but with b***h breasts. YWNBAW isn't just some cruel insult, it's a factual statement. Not to mention walking around presenting yourself as something you know you're not, literally living a lie, can't possibly be a healthy place for your mind to be in.

            >Now I'm still a neurotic and insecure man but with b***h breasts.
            Did you detrans?

            >Not to mention walking around presenting yourself as something you know you're not, literally living a lie, can't possibly be a healthy place for your mind to be in.
            Yeah, another reason I'm not a troon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yeah i'm a manlet though

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >I wish I were a 5'4 girl.
            i have literally been told i have "gigachad face structure" and that i look like ive been "mewing" multiple times recently. i sent my pics to 2 guys and they were like "body is ok.. but face.. (imagine someone pulling air through their teeth) and they were actually nice as hell as well so i know they werent saying it to hurt me.
            maybe i shouldn't have mentioned it, but i am proud of my height only because it's literally the only good feature i have. do you have a browbone that could shelter a whole migrant family? a jutting chin, a jaw that is wide and disgusting
            anyway my point is it doesn't matter if your face is fricked. and basically every face is fixable with facial feminization surgery. my face is fricked but im going to try work hard and get FFS for it. and i honestly think i might be ok with ffs. the issue is getting it

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >well my dad hates it i think but he just doesn't say anything so whatever.
            I can't imagine taking HRT while living with family.
            >look on the bright side you're not dead or anything so that's good anon.
            Yeah but I'm a normal /NSFFW/ robot failure.
            >yeah but i hate it more than most people
            At least you're doing something about it. Taking actions to solve problems makes you better than most people.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >but i've been on it for like a year so i'm not gonna stop.
            Mogs me.
            >with the same questions and awkward conversation about whether or not i'm a troony. she's trying to be nice i guess.
            Well at least your parents didn't kick you out.
            >you're fine anon i'm sure you can still sort shit out.
            I got this far without doing so.
            >i just hate aging and hair loss more than anything.
            I don't think anyone likes that.

            ygmi
            dw
            it'll come with time
            [...]
            >He's kinda right at least about that we should all should take better care of our health.
            yeah but he doesnt actually give af about your health otherwise he'd want you to treat your dysphoria and get a fat ass
            instead he wants you to be a manly man repper bro lifting BIG weights

            >get a fat ass
            Squats help with that kek.

            I just told you it wouldn't work. The issue isn't your body, its this meaningless 9-5 drudgery that saps your soul. You want to become female because they live easier than us with this lifestyle, not some bullshit of how you were always a girl all your life.

            Every male should frick off from society and start his own tribe or live alone. That will give us purpose and crumble this purgatory that women and israelites enjoy. Let them taste survival and have fear, while it frees you.

            You probably still won't get it but its the environment causing you to be fricked in the head and you will continue to be so even after your hormone soup. I do not need to guarantee it or give any proof as I have seen and heard it more than enough times.
            Unless you break your conditioning, of course. But I could always use another depressed cumbawd.

            >The issue isn't your body, its this meaningless 9-5 drudgery that saps your soul.
            Those are two different issues. I also hate the 9-5 bullshit job hustle and want to escape the grind to accomplish my own goals in life but I also want to be a woman.

            >Every male should frick off from society and start his own tribe or live alone.
            Then why are you still on the internet instead of homesteading in the woods with the boys?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Then why are you still on the internet instead of homesteading in the woods with the boys?
            because he's a pseud and i could've crushed his skull into dust with my bare hands pre-trans
            people post on /NSFFW/ talking about retvrn to natvre and cant cook a hotdog over a campfire
            its literally the 80's comic book nerd looking at a pulp drawing of conan and going "literally me"

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Do you feel better once you did that?
            i guess yeah cause at least my levels weren't too low.
            >Also did you feel awkward at the lab?
            kind of but mostly cause my mom was there and they were talking about how my estrogen levels were "too high".
            >I just look older and more masculine.
            how old are you? i started fin and then cypro when i was 17-18 and then i started doing injections at around 19 so maybe it's different. if i wanted to be a girl though i don't think i'd make a very good one lol.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i guess yeah cause at least my levels weren't too low.
            You're doing better than me then.
            >they were talking about how my estrogen levels were "too high".
            If you're an adult I don't know if they're allowed to talk to your parents about that.
            >how old are you?
            I'm in my late twenties kek. I'm way too fricking old to be having these thoughts.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're doing better than me then.
            yeah i guess. i don't even know if i should be on this shit but it's better than the alternative imo.
            >If you're an adult I don't know if they're allowed to talk to your parents about that.
            they didn't tell my mom but she asked me to see it afterwards anyways.
            >I'm in my late twenties kek. I'm way too fricking old to be having these thoughts.
            oh yeah idk then anon. when i was a teenager i didn't even think i'd make it to 20.

            Whats wrong with just being a feminie guy. I never saw the need to larp as a foid.

            i don't get it either tbh.

            >Whats wrong with just being a feminie guy.
            A feminine guy who has boobs and female estrogen levels?

            nothing wrong with that

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            >I'm in my late twenties kek.
            personally maybe this is a cope or idk much about science and shit but isnt the facial bone structure finished after 18 or so? meaning theres not much difference between 18 and 28
            someone correct me if im wrong
            either way you clearly made this thread because you want someone to convince you take HRT and you really don't want it to get worse. so please don't let it get worse

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >meaning theres not much difference between 18 and 28
            There's some difference but it's not as strong as puberty, and I could always go bald or something as I get older.
            >either way you clearly made this thread because you want someone to convince you take HRT
            Nobody is going to convince me except myself.
            >you really don't want it to get worse.
            I'm only scared that HRT will make it worse.

            You got brainwashed. Everyone feels like shit nowadays (for good reasons) but you focus on something huge like your body and thinking that will fix anything. It won't, try lifting - a different but also extreme body change
            You will still feel like shit, you have an unfulfilled life. Break off from social media and even people, learn to build a little cabin and steal materials.

            >It won't, try lifting - a different but also extreme body change
            Lifting isn't an extreme body change, I used to lift and did starting strength when I was younger.

            >I don't want to be visibly trans.
            cant relate but i get it
            personally?
            face piercings and a trans pride pin on my bag

            >face piercings and a trans pride pin on my bag
            I don't think I could do that. Don't want to draw attention, get hatecrimed, or something like that. No advantage to doing that for me.

            >try lifting
            lmao
            the ultimate repper cope
            it doesnt work
            i should know
            this is bullshit self help advice peddled by people that are completely OBLIVIOUS to how dysphoria works
            stop being boomer tier with your advice

            He's kinda right at least about that we should all should take better care of our health.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            HRT will absolutely make it worse. I quit once I realized all my feelings of dysphoria and whatever were just porn-induced and only validated due to our rotting culture of lies and hedonism. Now I'm still a neurotic and insecure man but with b***h breasts. YWNBAW isn't just some cruel insult, it's a factual statement. Not to mention walking around presenting yourself as something you know you're not, literally living a lie, can't possibly be a healthy place for your mind to be in.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >absolutely
            one of the highest patient approval of treatment rates of any treatment lol

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Have you ever gotten your levels tested?
            yeah once and they were too high apparently so now i just inject a little less idk.
            >I don't look like a boy I look like a man.
            what's the difference for you? idk i look my age i guess. maybe a little younger.
            >Well yeah I'm worried about drawing attention especially if I'm too much of a moron to DIY and need to talk to a probably homophobic endo.
            wdym drawing attention? anyway idk bro i'm pretty moronic and i was able to figure it out.

    • 3 weeks ago
      neanderthal kun

      the people on this board are not nearly as evil as the luckshits on lgbt anon
      even though incels fricking hate me i prefer to talk to them then other trannies. being an ugly troony is a fricking death sentence

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Whats wrong with just being a feminie guy. I never saw the need to larp as a foid.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What makes someone female is that they have a vegana to procreate and make babies. You can still be cute if youre male

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Whats wrong with just being a feminie guy.
      A feminine guy who has boobs and female estrogen levels?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    same but i'm too old.

  16. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You too? How old? 20's is far too late afaik.
    I have money saved, but I am thinking of spending on a sui. 25 is too old for being a troony bot.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >25 is too old for being a troony bot.
      i trooned at 25 :3

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I cant afford to be a woman. It aint happening.
        Not in this kitchen, sink or stove.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          hrt is pretty cheap tbh

          • 3 weeks ago
            neanderthal kun

            ^
            its like 100$ a year or some shit with vials

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            And? Its still an unnecessary step for bodily autonomy. It didn't work 5 years ago and its not working today. I failed as a troon and its worse than being a troon.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            oh well
            i guess give up

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You should. Some bots are more broken than shattered frickin glass.
            I'm not trying to doom, but 4tranniez are the worst sort of troon. They'll turn your head to pivot east and you won't be able to turn away from the horror.
            iwnbaw

  17. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You will in fact never be a woman anon

  18. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    maybe take some t instead and see how you feel with that first. cant hurt to try

  19. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Anon the YWNBAW posting is trying tk save you

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      nah thats just /poy/im sheep that do whatever mcdonalds tells them to be upset about

      if you engage any of them they dont know anything beyond the same 5 one sentence phrases theyve memorized told to them by one group of israelites screeching at the other group of israelites

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