What do women bring to a relationship?

I'm 33, live in London England, financially successful and have a lot of interests that keep me busy (both relaxing hobbies and goals that give me a sense of achievement). I'm single and the longer I spend on the dating market, the more it feels like I can only find girls who care about work and not about starting a family. Women give me shit whenever I say that I'd prefer a housewife to a working wife; I'm told I am too picky but I feel like I barely ask for anything; all I ask for is a good sense of humour and normal stuff like trust and support.

Here's my question: Should I even keep trying to find a partner? My interests keep me satisfied and I feel like I can do everything on my own except start a family. Other than that, what value could a woman even bring to my life?

I ask because I used to do PUA stuff and the first time I had sex, I felt like it should be something I only do with someone I am truly in love with, someone I want to marry. But if I give up on looking for a wife, I'll start having meaningless sex again.

I feel like it would be easier to find a family orientated woman if I were religious, but I can't force myself to believe in something.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Unless you convert to Islam you won't find any woman in the UK interested in a traditional family or having children.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here

      I've thought about it, although I'd prefer other religions, but I know deep down I don't believe.

      I'd say only deal with women who are about the same income and net worth as you for sure. Marriage is incredibly dangerous and you must make sure anything you do is matched 50-50 with your partner. In terms of starting a family, if you feel you must, then I'd advise you to accept that you might be the stay-at-home spouse, depending on who earns more, has better financial prospects, and is more enthusiastic about their career.

      I'd love to be a house-husband, but being a higher earning is one of my most attractive qualities. Ideally, I wouldn't even want marriage in a legal sense. Marriage only makes sense to me in a religious context, which I'm fine with, but why do I need the state need to tell me if I'm married or not.

      just import a wife from the 3rd world
      if you're too dumb to google "10 poorest countries" you shouldn't breed

      bait

      [...]
      There is zero wrong with OP wanting a traditional family structure where he works and his wife stays at home. In fact, id say OP just wants what most normal men would want. OP your real problem is you live in a liberal shithole city and need to get the frick out of there. London is just Pakis and liberal harpies who base their entire life around money.

      It's a hard balance, while cities have a higher concentration of degeneracy, it also has a larger population so I'm thinking that I should find a compromise and move to a smaller city.

      Words have meaning anon, and in this case, its an accurate usage of that term. If you believe in individualism, that a person is a self defined and self made whole, irrespective of social customs, traditions, or biological factors, and expresses himself through his natural rights, then you are, in fact, a liberal. Liberalism denies gender essentialism, denies that there are essential moral or natural differences between genders, usually in the form of downplaying the significance by reducing it to genital anatomy, and seeks to either minimize or to eliminate traditional expressions of gender in favor of a gender neutral or agendered society. This outlook accurately describes the overwhelming majority of white English londoners, hence "liberal shithole" is an accurate description. The only people who don't subscribe to this ideology there are literally muslims.

      What about other creeds?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I'd love to be a house-husband, but being a higher earning is one of my most attractive qualities.
        So if you try to pick someone that's roughly equal to you financially, then your earning won't really be a deciding factor and you'll essentially be competing with your intangibles, which marriage advocates always say make a good marriage.

        >Ideally, I wouldn't even want marriage in a legal sense. Marriage only makes sense to me in a religious context, which I'm fine with, but why do I need the state need to tell me if I'm married or not.
        I guess I'd have to ask why you even want any sort of marriage in the first place then. If you want a child, could you not adopt?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >I guess I'd have to ask why you even want any sort of marriage in the first place then. If you want a child, could you not adopt?
          Least insane liberal.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          OP here

          What you suggest sounds awesome, but sounds idealistic to me. I feel like I'm narrowing my selection of women down by simply saying "I value my family over my career" (but maybe I just feel that way because I've been born and raised in London). Looking for a woman who earns as much as me is a big ask, and then asking them to be the bread winner too while I stay home also sounds like a big ask. I'm 33 and I feel like I have already left things too late.

          I mainly want to start a family; it can be out of marriage but I just want a promise that we will stick things out "through good times and bad" etc. I don't agree that once we've made a life-long commitment, that there should be a way out unless it was made under false pretenses.

          >Marriage is incredibly dangerous and you must make sure anything you do is matched 50-50 with your partner
          The vast majority of women won't marry a man who doesn't earn more than them.

          I believe this to be true. On top of that, I think that the ones who do are more likely to end up forsaking the marriage.

          >but I know deep down I don't believe.
          Don't force something that isn't organic.
          >Marriage only makes sense to me in a religious context, which I'm fine with, but why do I need the state need to tell me if I'm married or not.
          Marriage doesn't make sense in the way its practiced today. It has ALWAYS been a religious, political, and public institution focused around families and clans.

          >What about other creeds?
          That's for you to figure out. I'm not here to tell you what to believe, but rather I point out liberalism specifically because THAT is the value system which created the environment you now live in.

          >so I'm thinking that I should find a compromise and move to a smaller city.
          That's exactly what you need to do. Humans are a social species which means most if not everything we do is understood within a societal context, and whether you like it or not if you don't share the same broad values as society at large, then you're an outsider. Based on what you're looking for in a partner and the challenges you face as a result, that seems very likely the case. Therefore, the reasonable thing to do is to leave and to find your tribe. You're not going to have a satisfactory outlook on life if you force yourself to coexist in a society which both rejects you, and which you reject.

          The thing about marriage in regards to political and public institution: If they see divorce as an acceptable outcome, then it seems pointless. I believe divorce should be rare and it needs extenuating circumstances.

          What you say about social species is true.

          [...]
          I guess I should clarify a bit then. Basically my advice is that marriage should only be attempted if income inequality is small. Don't get married if you can't find a partner that is roughly similar to you financially. Money is a huge point of contention for couples, so avoiding that will, in my mind, undoubtedly create a better marriage.

          In that case I'll be more transparent and say that I am a business owner. My business is 3 years old and has had about half a million GBP of profit in that time with most of the outgoings being spent on tax an my own income.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >In that case I'll be more transparent and say that I am a business owner. My business is 3 years old and has had about half a million GBP of profit in that time with most of the outgoings being spent on tax an my own income.
            How much is this netting you after business reinvestments and tax? I hope you're playing the game of minimizing tax by using whatever combination of income and dividends are optimal.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OP here

            I am, so I pay myself a max of 50k a year and my corporation taxes have been about 100-150. With the amount I have paid in travel and equipment, I'm left with about 200k NP left in my business.

            >What you suggest sounds awesome, but sounds idealistic to me.
            >I just want a promise that we will stick things out "through good times and bad" etc.
            Now who's being idealistic? My view is that marriage will never give you that type of surety, it's always going to be conditional and I'm suggesting that you just need to accept that for a lot of reasons. Which is why it needs to be a 50-50 arrangement to protect everyone involved. This stance is the exact opposite of idealism

            >I feel like I'm narrowing my selection of women ... while I stay home also sounds like a big ask.
            This is all just my own advice, you can take it, alter it or leave it at your preference. But for clarification, I said there could be some wiggle room around income since no one earns exactly the same. And I wasn't suggesting that you push for being a stay-at-home-dad, only that you and your partner should both acknowledge and be ok with the fact that this might be the best choice in the future. The overall point is you should never and can never guarantee that you will be the working spouse regardless of circumstance. For example, while your business seems like it's reasonably well paying, it's certainly not stellar and you could find a woman that out-earns you, in which case you should be the caregiver.

            You got me there. I hate how meaningless "marriage" has become in my society.

            Thanks for the advice. I could find a woman who out-earns me but it certainly narrows my selection.
            Something I forgot to say earlier: I'm not against adoption, but I am against abortion (let's not get into this argument, I'm just stating it because it's important). If my partner is pregnant, I can't imagine telling her to get back to work after giving birth which take care of our child that she's been carrying. I suppose a vasectomy could be a solution, but this feels like it's getting way to unnatural.

            You either become a burden to the system or get a girl who'll let you be a househusband. The system now heavily favors woman in order to bring "equality."

            Burden? I contribute

            BTW, just want to say thanks to everyone. Thank You.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You got me there. I hate how meaningless "marriage" has become in my society.
            I'd argue that the "old fashioned" conception of marriage is an oddity compared to most of human history. It was mostly always done for practicality sake - used for financial and political advantage. Going back to that doesn't make it meaningless, it's just "de-Disney-fied".

            >Something I forgot to say earlier: I'm not against adoption, but I am against abortion (let's not get into this argument, I'm just stating it because it's important). If my partner is pregnant, I can't imagine telling her to get back to work after giving birth which take care of our child that she's been carrying. I suppose a vasectomy could be a solution, but this feels like it's getting way to unnatural.

            Your wording here is a little concerning. The decision of who goes back to work should be done in tandem, you should not be "telling her". I also fail to see why you mentioned abortion or vasectomies. Like you, I don't want to get into that can of worms but in my mind, neither of these things have anything to do with going back to work after a birth. Anyway, I'm glad I could help.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            OP here

            I don't really care if it was like that in history, I think "marriage" is no different from "dating" if either party can leave at any time. Well, I guess it's not the exact same; if I'm dating and we break up, I don't lose half of my stuff, so it seems as if is a financial incentive for a woman to leave a man. We need a new type of relationship like "super marriage" where, whoever initiates the divorce forfeits everything to the other. OK, enough with the jokes.

            >Your wording here is a little concerning. The decision of who goes back to work should be done in tandem, you should not be "telling her".
            That's kind of the point; after giving birth, it feels wrong to expect her to go back to work so soon. I'm responding to the suggestion of being the caregiver in the relationship so, in that scenario, we would have no income if she does not want to go back to work. This is also why I bring up abortion and vasectomy because you could completely avoid having a woman miss working, but I sounds really messed up to say "I love my work so much that I want an abortion or for you to have a vasectomy." I say vasectomy because I hear other contraception can be dangerous or can fail.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >What you suggest sounds awesome, but sounds idealistic to me.
            >I just want a promise that we will stick things out "through good times and bad" etc.
            Now who's being idealistic? My view is that marriage will never give you that type of surety, it's always going to be conditional and I'm suggesting that you just need to accept that for a lot of reasons. Which is why it needs to be a 50-50 arrangement to protect everyone involved. This stance is the exact opposite of idealism

            >I feel like I'm narrowing my selection of women ... while I stay home also sounds like a big ask.
            This is all just my own advice, you can take it, alter it or leave it at your preference. But for clarification, I said there could be some wiggle room around income since no one earns exactly the same. And I wasn't suggesting that you push for being a stay-at-home-dad, only that you and your partner should both acknowledge and be ok with the fact that this might be the best choice in the future. The overall point is you should never and can never guarantee that you will be the working spouse regardless of circumstance. For example, while your business seems like it's reasonably well paying, it's certainly not stellar and you could find a woman that out-earns you, in which case you should be the caregiver.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >but I know deep down I don't believe.
        Don't force something that isn't organic.
        >Marriage only makes sense to me in a religious context, which I'm fine with, but why do I need the state need to tell me if I'm married or not.
        Marriage doesn't make sense in the way its practiced today. It has ALWAYS been a religious, political, and public institution focused around families and clans.

        >What about other creeds?
        That's for you to figure out. I'm not here to tell you what to believe, but rather I point out liberalism specifically because THAT is the value system which created the environment you now live in.

        >so I'm thinking that I should find a compromise and move to a smaller city.
        That's exactly what you need to do. Humans are a social species which means most if not everything we do is understood within a societal context, and whether you like it or not if you don't share the same broad values as society at large, then you're an outsider. Based on what you're looking for in a partner and the challenges you face as a result, that seems very likely the case. Therefore, the reasonable thing to do is to leave and to find your tribe. You're not going to have a satisfactory outlook on life if you force yourself to coexist in a society which both rejects you, and which you reject.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You answered this question for yourself. Women in current day bring a second paycheck so you can split the expenses. If all women you meet care about work more than family, then why don't you offer to become a house husband instead? If having family is your end goal, and women in your area are unwilling to sacrifice their careers for this purpose, then why don't you?

        >being a higher earning is one of my most attractive qualities
        Then what do YOU bring to the table? If women only bringing money to the table is not satisfying for you, why do you assume it should be satisfying for them? If all you bring is money, then you'll only find gold diggers who won't be willing to settle down. Women already have financial security from their own jobs these days. In my experience most women would like to settle down and have children, but cannot find a man who would offer them genuine support in this regard. Not financial support, which they already have from their own jobs, but emotional support. Housework support. Help with childrearing. Housewives exist but they are usually just an extension of the gold digger woman. No intelligent woman would throw everything away at the mercy of a man, giving him all the power over her life by controlling all of her finances. Would you not find it humiliating, living off another person's allowance, knowing full well they can take it away when you do something they don't like? Nobody would want to live like this.
        Bring more to the table or settle for fricking gold diggers anon.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >I wouldn't even want marriage in a legal sense
        Then no sane woman wil ever want to be a stay at home mom. You're asking her to give up on her financial independence without giving her any form of financial and legal security.
        You can leave at any point and she will not have any assets, any alimony and any career to provide for herself.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Still OP

          You say that but it's the exact opposite for men who get married and they still do it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You say that but it's the exact opposite for men who get married and they still do it.
            No, it's not.

            I am a stay at home mom. I am doing what my husband and I think is best for us and our family.
            I take a big risk financially by giving up on my career, knowing that I will never recoup the financial loss I'm taking right now by giving up on my job and I will have a much harder time entering the work force later in life. My husband is also taking a big risk fianancially, because he's putting a large sum of the money he earned on the line in case our marriage does not work.
            We feel like this is what works best for us at this time, and we both accept the risks and the consequences that come with it.
            If we didn't feel this way and neither of us felt up to taking this financial risk, we could both keep our jobs and pay someone else to look after our house and our children. I made almost as much as him, he wouldn't lose much in a divorce.

            Your solution is that the woman assumes a large financial risk (making herself homeless, broke and without propsects in case things go south) while you take no risk at all. And that is profoundly unfair towards her, and only a frankly stupid woman would choose that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >No, it's not.
            Proceeds to write an essay explaining why it is
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            >Your solution
            I think you're confusing me for someone else, I'm the guy who said "I mainly want to start a family; it can be out of marriage but I just want a promise that we will stick things out "through good times and bad" etc. I don't agree that once we've made a life-long commitment, that there should be a way out unless [the marriage] was made under false pretenses."
            Stop being so adversarial

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Proceeds to write an essay explaining why it is
            No. I have explained why in a legal marriage having a stay at home partner both spouses are putting a lot on the line financially, while without it the stay at home partner is the only one who takes any financial risks.

            >I think you're confusing me for someone else
            I'm not; I am replying to your post where you said that ideally, you wouldn't even want marriage in a legal sense.

            >Stop being so adversarial
            I'm not being adversarial at all, you're just being intellectually dishonest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I'm starting to suspect you're trolling me. I'm not sure; you're first two paragraphs look like trolls but I don't know what you meant by the third?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't know what you meant by the third?
            I'm not being hostile or antagonistic in any way, just fairly blunt.
            You are being intellectually dishonest - you're not responding to the point I brought up, and instead pretending to have never said what I responded to (despite me quoting your post directly), and that I must be "trolling" while I made a fairly reasonable argument that I feel like you have no response to.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Alright, I don't think you're trolling anymore but you're right in saying I don't have a response; if you've read this thread and responded with that then I don't think there's anything I can say. Above, someone asked me "I guess I'd have to ask why you even want any sort of marriage in the first place" which I saw as saw as a valid question, given what I've written in this thread. You seem to be asking me the opposite

            Also, if you acknowledge that that your husband is also taking a big risk financially by getting married, then I don't know why you what say "no it's not" when I say the same thing. Maybe we're just taking each other's posts in the wrong way. Cards on the table, I hated that post you made: "in case our marriage does not work" and "he wouldn't lose much in a divorce." Probably obvious why if you've read my feelings above in regards to valuing family above finances and marriage being a life-long commitment.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Also, if you acknowledge that that your husband is also taking a big risk financially by getting married, then I don't know why you what say "no it's not" when I say the same thing.
            *My husband* has taken a large risk, because we are married legally as well as religiously.
            If we were not legally married, he would be taking no financial risk while I'd be giving up all my financial security with no safety net to fall on to. This is is the set up that you claim to desire - one where you put nothing on the line, but ask her to go all in.
            That was always my point here.

            >Probably obvious why if you've read my feelings above in regards to valuing family above finances and marriage being a life-long commitment.
            I went into this marriage with no intention of divorcing, just like everyone else. A lot of people end up divorced, tho, and it's silly to pretend we don't live in a world where this is the reality.

            I value my husband and our marriage more than anything else, I am committed to spending the rest of my days with him and have always gone above and beyond to make sure it is the case. In the 12 years we've been together I've done nothing but loving him and our children, taking care of them and being loyal to him.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >any career to provide for herself.
          OP needs to talk to touch grass IRL. There are entire woman-dominated career fields oriented around being a tradwife either quietly or outright.
          I'm related to two schoolteachers. They get their BSE, teach a couple years, the gym teacher, or whomever, fricks a kid into them, they sit at home raise a couple kids while taking one or at most two online masters degree education classes or get a specialist certificate in reading or special ed or maybe school administration if they want to go into management, then the youngest kid gets into elementary school, she's bored, get an online school job or substitute teach in her kids district (my wife did that...) when/if its the empty nest, or ... worse, she can get a new job in a couple months at most working in education.
          Nursing is a question mark, that field has a reputation for how they behave, but at least some nurses are more or less tradwifes. So she sits at home with the babies/toddlers finishing up her online BSN diploma, the youngest gets into elementary school, she can either work part time shifts helping out at the hospital or she could become a school nurse working the same hours as her kids go to school, all kinds of stuff like that.
          Legal/Paralegal is another chick-heavy (heavy-chick?) career field where they mostly don't care if you further your education or part time or take a few years off. My mom was an expert on real estate title work, nobody cared what she did when I was three, all they cared about was her legal skills and certifications and her ability to read and interpret real estate titles and surveys and her legal bond and the legal equivalent of malpractice insurance.
          You're not going to meet tradwifes if you exclusively search for oil field workers or mid-level managers. But there are entire career fields designed for chicks who want to reproduce someday.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        30, Londoner too. I'm honestly settling for no long term partner. Contrasting you, all the girls literally get bpd all the fricking time well into a relationship.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          OP here

          Borderline Personality Disorder?

          if you keep doing it then obviously its not meaningless TO YOU.

          I said "start"

          Nothings wrong with wanting a partner who is more traditional, the only way you can go wrong is if you force your standard on a partner who doesn't want to be a housewife.
          The women you want are out there, but having thoughts of womens value only comes from reproduction is kinda fricked. You aint gonna catch no fish with that bait mate

          >forcing
          I don't even like the idea of convincing someone (cite:

          OP here

          Even if it is projection, it was interesting. I don't care about skin colour and, while a tradwife sounds nice, I'm willing to meet in the middle.

          [...]
          Everything other than the ability to be a mother. Honestly, I probably shouldn't have written that; it's just the way I feel when I say "I prefer a housewife" and then I get shit for it like "you don't want women to have independence... by working for a company for 40 hours a week."

          [...]
          Yeah, I've thought about this too. I wonder if I forget about my celibacy and start hooking up, I could meet someone faster and then, would she quit her job if show her a "high value life style", e.g. going to quality hotel/restaurants without looking at the price of anything. For the record, if she's doing something she's truly passionate about then I'd likely be happy to see them pursue work; I just meet a lot of people who moan about work but feel like it defines their value (I believe for men this is slightly true). But I don't know, I felt this was a bad way to go about things but I'm not sure anymore and that's why I made this thread.

          [...]
          The thing about marrying a rich woman is that, while it sounds awesome in theory, I don't believe that works in practice. I don't think many women want to marry a person poorer than themselves, sure it's possible, but I already feel like I'm narrowing my selection. The other thing is that I want children and it feels wrong to expect my partner to go back to work after giving birth; I may have to continue putting food on the table anyway.

          [...]
          I feel like I've answer this in my other posts. I'm guessing you're a femanon because that second paragraph is what I get all the time when I say "I prefer a housewife." Actually, there's a lot more I do than emotional support, housework and childcare; there's managing finances, pluming, fixing appliances, etc.

          [...]
          I looking to move to a smaller city; I hope that works.

          )
          >womens value only comes
          In the same cited message, this is what I meant when I said "I should not have written that". I just get a lot of shit for stating my simple preferences, like they're so perfect (the people who've ranted at me, not women in general) and I should want them just no matter what when they don't even bring anything of value to the table.

          Again, just wanted thanks to everyone for their contributions.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >easier to find a family orientated woman if I were religious, but I can't force myself to believe in something.
      Most churches are "come as you are", they don't have a penis inspection at the door every time you walk in to make sure you're only the truest of true believers before they let you pass. Be humble that a billion adherents MIGHT know a little something more than you do, even if you happen to disagree with them. Be polite and don't be a whiny counter-signaling b***h and they'll let you attend the church-sponsored "young single adults night" activities where the church pays for everything to try and pair up single parishioners. It's good for business, good for their future donations, if you meet a wife and pop out a couple kids. All you have to do is not be arrogant enough to demand everyone has to hear you say "no" to make you feel superior to the believers.
      It's a big world and if you walk into the church and the second youngest guy there is 75, do a 180 and walk the F out and try another church. Another type of church to avoid is "it's basically a synagogue/temple complete with alphabet people rainbow flair" and another type of church to avoid is "it's basically a leftist political committee that occasionally prays". If its a feeder church literally next door to a religious elementary school, the only single women will be single moms with kids attending the school, and you probably don't want that? If you walk in to a church, and like the music, if the sermon at least makes you think even if you don't rabidly agree, if there are at least some attractive thin single women with no guy sitting next to them, if the church supports young adult groups and young single adult activities you found the right place.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        OP here

        It's not that I think I'm too good to go to church/synagogue/temple/mosque, it's more the fact that I do not want to be disrespectful. I actually like religion and this is why I know that when/if I pray to god to help me believe in [insert creed here], my prayers come from an insincere place. If there are religious people out there, could you tell me if it would be OK to go mainly to be apart of a community with respectable values?

        >any career to provide for herself.
        OP needs to talk to touch grass IRL. There are entire woman-dominated career fields oriented around being a tradwife either quietly or outright.
        I'm related to two schoolteachers. They get their BSE, teach a couple years, the gym teacher, or whomever, fricks a kid into them, they sit at home raise a couple kids while taking one or at most two online masters degree education classes or get a specialist certificate in reading or special ed or maybe school administration if they want to go into management, then the youngest kid gets into elementary school, she's bored, get an online school job or substitute teach in her kids district (my wife did that...) when/if its the empty nest, or ... worse, she can get a new job in a couple months at most working in education.
        Nursing is a question mark, that field has a reputation for how they behave, but at least some nurses are more or less tradwifes. So she sits at home with the babies/toddlers finishing up her online BSN diploma, the youngest gets into elementary school, she can either work part time shifts helping out at the hospital or she could become a school nurse working the same hours as her kids go to school, all kinds of stuff like that.
        Legal/Paralegal is another chick-heavy (heavy-chick?) career field where they mostly don't care if you further your education or part time or take a few years off. My mom was an expert on real estate title work, nobody cared what she did when I was three, all they cared about was her legal skills and certifications and her ability to read and interpret real estate titles and surveys and her legal bond and the legal equivalent of malpractice insurance.
        You're not going to meet tradwifes if you exclusively search for oil field workers or mid-level managers. But there are entire career fields designed for chicks who want to reproduce someday.

        Cute, another cookie cutter response to me saying "I prefer a housewife."

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >If you walk in to a church, and like the music, if the sermon at least makes you think even if you don't rabidly agree, if there are at least some attractive thin single women with no guy sitting next to them, if the church supports young adult groups and young single adult activities you found the right place.
        This doesn't exist in the UK whatsoever. All so-called churches are the leftist political committees you described.

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd say only deal with women who are about the same income and net worth as you for sure. Marriage is incredibly dangerous and you must make sure anything you do is matched 50-50 with your partner. In terms of starting a family, if you feel you must, then I'd advise you to accept that you might be the stay-at-home spouse, depending on who earns more, has better financial prospects, and is more enthusiastic about their career.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://i.imgur.com/vnFzkir.jpg

      I'm 33, live in London England, financially successful and have a lot of interests that keep me busy (both relaxing hobbies and goals that give me a sense of achievement). I'm single and the longer I spend on the dating market, the more it feels like I can only find girls who care about work and not about starting a family. Women give me shit whenever I say that I'd prefer a housewife to a working wife; I'm told I am too picky but I feel like I barely ask for anything; all I ask for is a good sense of humour and normal stuff like trust and support.

      Here's my question: Should I even keep trying to find a partner? My interests keep me satisfied and I feel like I can do everything on my own except start a family. Other than that, what value could a woman even bring to my life?

      I ask because I used to do PUA stuff and the first time I had sex, I felt like it should be something I only do with someone I am truly in love with, someone I want to marry. But if I give up on looking for a wife, I'll start having meaningless sex again.

      I feel like it would be easier to find a family orientated woman if I were religious, but I can't force myself to believe in something.

      There is zero wrong with OP wanting a traditional family structure where he works and his wife stays at home. In fact, id say OP just wants what most normal men would want. OP your real problem is you live in a liberal shithole city and need to get the frick out of there. London is just Pakis and liberal harpies who base their entire life around money.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >muh liberalz!
        Opinion discarded. You had me at the first part, ngl. While I never said it was wrong, I still think it's dangerous

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Words have meaning anon, and in this case, its an accurate usage of that term. If you believe in individualism, that a person is a self defined and self made whole, irrespective of social customs, traditions, or biological factors, and expresses himself through his natural rights, then you are, in fact, a liberal. Liberalism denies gender essentialism, denies that there are essential moral or natural differences between genders, usually in the form of downplaying the significance by reducing it to genital anatomy, and seeks to either minimize or to eliminate traditional expressions of gender in favor of a gender neutral or agendered society. This outlook accurately describes the overwhelming majority of white English londoners, hence "liberal shithole" is an accurate description. The only people who don't subscribe to this ideology there are literally muslims.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The "liberals" you defend (or identify with?) would burn you at the stake for saying "Marriage is incredibly dangerous" to a man.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Sadly, this is pretty much right. Large cities are a dead end.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Marriage is incredibly dangerous and you must make sure anything you do is matched 50-50 with your partner
      The vast majority of women won't marry a man who doesn't earn more than them.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Largely irrelevant. Just because a good choice is difficult doesn't make it ok to make a bad choice.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm not saying he should make the bad choice, just that this advice is totally impractical. It's akin to saying to win the lottery as financial advice.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            What do you even mean? Unless you're going to explain how that vague expression applies to the current situation, everyone else is forced to erroneously infer what you mean by that? Like are you saying marrying a woman who makes more than you is the "good choice?" Or is looking to date a woman who makes less than you the "good choice?" What the frick do you even mean?

            I guess I should clarify a bit then. Basically my advice is that marriage should only be attempted if income inequality is small. Don't get married if you can't find a partner that is roughly similar to you financially. Money is a huge point of contention for couples, so avoiding that will, in my mind, undoubtedly create a better marriage.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          What do you even mean? Unless you're going to explain how that vague expression applies to the current situation, everyone else is forced to erroneously infer what you mean by that? Like are you saying marrying a woman who makes more than you is the "good choice?" Or is looking to date a woman who makes less than you the "good choice?" What the frick do you even mean?

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    just import a wife from the 3rd world
    if you're too dumb to google "10 poorest countries" you shouldn't breed

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It doesn't work like this unless you bring her into the Islamic community. Otherwise she'll just get the same brainwashing as the rest of the women without you, and will be able to leave you with forced financial support from you.
      It is a viable idea to move to her country if it's more traditional, however.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >just import a wife from the 3rd world
      OK, israelite.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You either become a burden to the system or get a girl who'll let you be a househusband. The system now heavily favors woman in order to bring "equality."

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Live in england too. I've never met an english woman that wants to fill out the "housewife" role or have many kids tbh. Going 3rd world or hardcore muslim as some anons above suggested is a bit much. Culturely too different imo, if you're european then I'd atleast stick to european women.

    If you want many kids and wife that cooks and clean etc I'de uinironicly reccomend the balkans as bassicaly third world but in europe plus strong family values and very traditional. In turn this would make it hard to get one, as you would have to convince the family to give you there daughter, it's not like SEA that you can just buy them. But this would also mean if you do get one, unlikely she'll leave etc because would bring great shame to her family back home, divorced women are looked down heavily. Plus if you have money and I dunno buy there family a few goats, cows and a new fence or something they lowkey would like you alot and not let they're daughter leave you.

    Also they're yurop, virgin, cute and young. Families looks to marry they're daughter young so you won't find these kind of woman available past early 20s.

    I'm baised, roots in balkan so I'm lucky I can speak language and yurop. Am early 20s, thought maybe women here would do but they're insufferable if you're looking to start a family. I might go help villagers in the mountains and try to find cute village girl. I want lots of kids like 7, so I think I need to act soon.

    reading this back I'm projecting soz, I think it would be hard for a british dude to pull this off. probs worth it if you must find white tradwife

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      meme related

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >'ve never met an english woman that wants to fill out the "housewife" role or have many kids tbh.
      You can definitely find someone who wants to be stay-at-home, though they probably find the actual work a housewife has to do "icky". But you'll often indoctrinate them into wanting a gazillion kids nowadays.
      Basically they just want to be paid to do nothing.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here

      Even if it is projection, it was interesting. I don't care about skin colour and, while a tradwife sounds nice, I'm willing to meet in the middle.

      What else can you bring to a relation, let alone marriage, besides being a wallet

      Everything other than the ability to be a mother. Honestly, I probably shouldn't have written that; it's just the way I feel when I say "I prefer a housewife" and then I get shit for it like "you don't want women to have independence... by working for a company for 40 hours a week."

      >'ve never met an english woman that wants to fill out the "housewife" role or have many kids tbh.
      You can definitely find someone who wants to be stay-at-home, though they probably find the actual work a housewife has to do "icky". But you'll often indoctrinate them into wanting a gazillion kids nowadays.
      Basically they just want to be paid to do nothing.

      Yeah, I've thought about this too. I wonder if I forget about my celibacy and start hooking up, I could meet someone faster and then, would she quit her job if show her a "high value life style", e.g. going to quality hotel/restaurants without looking at the price of anything. For the record, if she's doing something she's truly passionate about then I'd likely be happy to see them pursue work; I just meet a lot of people who moan about work but feel like it defines their value (I believe for men this is slightly true). But I don't know, I felt this was a bad way to go about things but I'm not sure anymore and that's why I made this thread.

      >besides being a wallet
      Not op but like bro isn't that the whole point? Our worth in society is measured by $. Higher the $ the higher the worth of man. What you lack in $ you make up in other areas e.i looks, personality etc. If women is mega rich but looks meh, you wouldn't take it? likewise if the roles are flipped isn't it the same.

      Like isn't it the point to get a lot of $ you need to be successful at what you do, to be successful in what you do you need to be driven + a lot of other good personality traits and probably look decent too. If I was a woman why would I not want to marry a successful man to have successful children. If a man wants to play the househusband then why would you not marry a successful higher earner woman.

      I guess this argument falls if you believe that today's society makes shit undesirable people successful. Maybe you're right.

      The thing about marrying a rich woman is that, while it sounds awesome in theory, I don't believe that works in practice. I don't think many women want to marry a person poorer than themselves, sure it's possible, but I already feel like I'm narrowing my selection. The other thing is that I want children and it feels wrong to expect my partner to go back to work after giving birth; I may have to continue putting food on the table anyway.

      You answered this question for yourself. Women in current day bring a second paycheck so you can split the expenses. If all women you meet care about work more than family, then why don't you offer to become a house husband instead? If having family is your end goal, and women in your area are unwilling to sacrifice their careers for this purpose, then why don't you?

      >being a higher earning is one of my most attractive qualities
      Then what do YOU bring to the table? If women only bringing money to the table is not satisfying for you, why do you assume it should be satisfying for them? If all you bring is money, then you'll only find gold diggers who won't be willing to settle down. Women already have financial security from their own jobs these days. In my experience most women would like to settle down and have children, but cannot find a man who would offer them genuine support in this regard. Not financial support, which they already have from their own jobs, but emotional support. Housework support. Help with childrearing. Housewives exist but they are usually just an extension of the gold digger woman. No intelligent woman would throw everything away at the mercy of a man, giving him all the power over her life by controlling all of her finances. Would you not find it humiliating, living off another person's allowance, knowing full well they can take it away when you do something they don't like? Nobody would want to live like this.
      Bring more to the table or settle for fricking gold diggers anon.

      I feel like I've answer this in my other posts. I'm guessing you're a femanon because that second paragraph is what I get all the time when I say "I prefer a housewife." Actually, there's a lot more I do than emotional support, housework and childcare; there's managing finances, pluming, fixing appliances, etc.

      Sadly, this is pretty much right. Large cities are a dead end.

      I looking to move to a smaller city; I hope that works.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    What else can you bring to a relation, let alone marriage, besides being a wallet

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >besides being a wallet
      Not op but like bro isn't that the whole point? Our worth in society is measured by $. Higher the $ the higher the worth of man. What you lack in $ you make up in other areas e.i looks, personality etc. If women is mega rich but looks meh, you wouldn't take it? likewise if the roles are flipped isn't it the same.

      Like isn't it the point to get a lot of $ you need to be successful at what you do, to be successful in what you do you need to be driven + a lot of other good personality traits and probably look decent too. If I was a woman why would I not want to marry a successful man to have successful children. If a man wants to play the househusband then why would you not marry a successful higher earner woman.

      I guess this argument falls if you believe that today's society makes shit undesirable people successful. Maybe you're right.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    theres a reason people married young
    it wasn't cuz they got better with age

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here

      lol, yeah. Wish I knew better when I was younger. But if I was younger, I would probably be asking for more from the relationship; I've made a lot of concessions since I'm not getting any younger. Now I'm constantly wondering what if I perused some girls I knew when I was younger.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Jesus fricking christ this website...

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      OP here

      Show off

      >Also, if you acknowledge that that your husband is also taking a big risk financially by getting married, then I don't know why you what say "no it's not" when I say the same thing.
      *My husband* has taken a large risk, because we are married legally as well as religiously.
      If we were not legally married, he would be taking no financial risk while I'd be giving up all my financial security with no safety net to fall on to. This is is the set up that you claim to desire - one where you put nothing on the line, but ask her to go all in.
      That was always my point here.

      >Probably obvious why if you've read my feelings above in regards to valuing family above finances and marriage being a life-long commitment.
      I went into this marriage with no intention of divorcing, just like everyone else. A lot of people end up divorced, tho, and it's silly to pretend we don't live in a world where this is the reality.

      I value my husband and our marriage more than anything else, I am committed to spending the rest of my days with him and have always gone above and beyond to make sure it is the case. In the 12 years we've been together I've done nothing but loving him and our children, taking care of them and being loyal to him.

      You keep saying the same thing so I'm going to assume we're in agreement and you're just taking my posts in the wrong way. Happy to hear that you have a strong marriage. Wish you the best.

      >the longer I spend on the dating market, the more it feels like I can only find girls who care about work and not about starting a family
      It's an auction market and the chick who wanted to marry at 30 and have two kids by now... did. You're not going to find her "on the dating apps" she has a family so maybe you'll see her at daycare or sitting next to her husband at church or shopping at the market or similar.
      Chicks aren't going to wait and stay single just because one guy wouldn't commit.
      Like any auction market the best items sell first so the chick you want probably got married and had a kid at 23 you better hurry up as the leftovers aren't getting any fresher as you wait. Date younger if you can, its not like you get a participation trophy for buying the past-due leftovers at the market.

      I do tend to go for younger girls. But thanks for the tip.

      Constant dissapointment and stress

      kek

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >you're just taking my posts in the wrong way
        I'm not. You literally said you don't want a legal marriage, and there's no financial risk for you in having what is legally a stay at home girlfriend.

        Thanks tho, wish you the best.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          you sound like a moron and im not OP
          everyone knows there much more risk for the male involved to marry. you are literally doing jackshit and complaining
          everyone knows even if you get divorced you get divorce bux from 'husband' you get bux from the state, and waging sucks anyways, besides that nowadays even waging is made extra easy for women with the diversity hire shit
          your posts are just victim complex neggin, i feel bad for your cuck of a husband poor mf

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >everyone knows there much more risk for the male involved to marry.
            I would have earned more by working a year than what I'd be given in a divorce. I've lost hundreds of thousands of dollars in income by choosing to be a stay at home mom.
            We are both betting our financial stability on our marriage working. If things don't work out, we'll both be much poorer than before we got married and have a much harder time surviving than while we were married.
            We have taken an equally large risk.

            >you are literally doing jackshit
            Taking care of young children 24/7 is far more exahusting than what my husband does. He agrees fully.

            >your posts are just victim complex neggin
            There's no victim complex, and really no complaining. I'm extremely lucky to be in a position where I can do this, with a husband who can support our family.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Taking care of young children 24/7 is far more exahusting than what my husband does
            you are fricking ridiculous
            what is even your job?
            >There's no victim complex, and really no complaining.
            lol sure . youre fricking moronic get real and take ur meds old hag

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >what is even your job?
            Taking care of the kids and the house, that's what a stay at home mom does.
            I do all chores, cook all the meals, run most of the errands and make sure my kids are taken care of, safe and entertained while my husband works outside of the house. They're small so they need a lot of care.
            Taking care of an infant and a toddler is far more draining physically and mentally than an office job, which is what my husband does.

            >lol sure
            Yup. I love what I do and have no issue with the risk me and my husband took when we chose to have me be a stay at home parent.
            The only people who have victim complex are single men who are scared of getting "divorce raped" from a wife they don't even have and act like a woman who gives up on her career does not take any financial risk. I'm perfectly happy doing what I do and wouldn't do it otherwise.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            shut the frick up hag

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >can't form a coherent argument
            >resorts to name calling
            Every time.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Yup. I love what I do
            Are you sure? It doesn't really sound like it from all your comments in this thread.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yes, I'm sure. It is what I want to do and what makes me, my husband and my kids the happiest. If I really wanted to do something different, I'd be doing that.

            Pointing out that it's a risky financial decision for a woman to be a stay at home mom does not mean I'm unhappy to be a stay at home mom.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >the longer I spend on the dating market, the more it feels like I can only find girls who care about work and not about starting a family
    It's an auction market and the chick who wanted to marry at 30 and have two kids by now... did. You're not going to find her "on the dating apps" she has a family so maybe you'll see her at daycare or sitting next to her husband at church or shopping at the market or similar.
    Chicks aren't going to wait and stay single just because one guy wouldn't commit.
    Like any auction market the best items sell first so the chick you want probably got married and had a kid at 23 you better hurry up as the leftovers aren't getting any fresher as you wait. Date younger if you can, its not like you get a participation trophy for buying the past-due leftovers at the market.

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Constant dissapointment and stress

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Other than that, what value could a woman who is still single at 33 despite hordes of single men chasing anything with a hole for two decades of her life, even bring to my life?
    Nothing, the good ones got married off a decade ago.
    Your only hope of a quality woman at 33 is maybe a widow or dating MUCH younger than yourself.
    Think about how everything on two legs with a dick has been chasing her for almost two decades and she's never committed because there's something severely wrong with her. Or, for almost two decades every OTHER guy who chased her, caught her, and learned how she really is, and it was so awful they threw her back, not once but for TWENTY years.
    If you meet a chick at that age who's avoided commitment for that long, you shouldn't want her.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    grim

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    if you keep doing it then obviously its not meaningless TO YOU.

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Nothings wrong with wanting a partner who is more traditional, the only way you can go wrong is if you force your standard on a partner who doesn't want to be a housewife.
    The women you want are out there, but having thoughts of womens value only comes from reproduction is kinda fricked. You aint gonna catch no fish with that bait mate

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