What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?

What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?

(FYI I'm the woman in the situation. Both women and men may answer.)

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >woman wants an abortion
    abortion it is. Next question

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I will magnanimously add that the man ought be allowed to keep the abortion, should he want it

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      FPBP.

      I will magnanimously add that the man ought be allowed to keep the abortion, should he want it

      Lols

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      unless she willingly copulated, in which case the decision is each of theirs
      not that hard to prevent if you simply cant stop having sex with people you dont want children with

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >which case the decision is each of theirs
        I mean, kinda but a man trying for an abortion or keeping a baby is going to have a hard time without some sort of transplant.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >unless she willingly copulated, in which case the decision is each of theirs
          I would agree with this if the man were also willingly carrying to term & giving birth. Until such time as medical science allows that to be so, I must reaffirm my existing position.

          [...]
          Furthermore, I claim it most rational that I personally abort this poster, in particular.

          >ohhh waaaahhh my body was made for small bursts of discomfort instead of having a lifelong baseline of misery
          >why cant I just take all the good parts of life without accepting the possible negatives
          >let me kill your child its annoying to me :~~*(

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't think you know what pregnancy entails if you think it's merely a "minor discomfort".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If it's your child, feel free to brith it yourself.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            its both parents child, did no one ever give you the birds and bees talk?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The man isn't the one carrying it in his body.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And its his child all the same. Your contention is called a distinction without a difference. This topic has been gone over with a fine tooth comb. Abortion is for trash people who cant keep their fricking legs closed. It's on par with junkies and hippies who do drugs because le depression
            Emotional, spiritual, financial, and intellectual incompetence have led you to this decision. Abortionists should be burned at the stake.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Yet you will be screeching about mens duty to pay for alimony for his child he didn’t carry for 9 months
            You don’t get to pick who is more important, the kid is still his

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Legally after a child is born. Until then it's just a fetus and belongs to the one who carries it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            laws are often fricked up, not a good moral compass

            The man isn't the one carrying it in his body.

            but hes the one who will man up and do the work that needs to be done to take care of this kid, I think twenty or so years of single fathering beats nine months of being waited on if youre trying to pull the childbirth hurty meme

            mind you if both want the abortion I dont care let them, but it stopped being your choice alone when it stopped being your body alone

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            "Hey, it's my body, and I decide what happens with it" on the other hand is a pretty good moral compass.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Hey, it's my body, and I decide what happens with it

            laws are often fricked up, not a good moral compass
            [...]
            but hes the one who will man up and do the work that needs to be done to take care of this kid, I think twenty or so years of single fathering beats nine months of being waited on if youre trying to pull the childbirth hurty meme

            mind you if both want the abortion I dont care let them, but it stopped being your choice alone when it stopped being your body alone

            > it stopped being your choice alone when it stopped being your body alone
            I see you dont like to read or think, regurgitating the same one sided bullshit rhetoric is only as good of a morality as any other chosen at random
            its a part of your body that wouldnt be there without the mans dna creating it, which you chose let him put in your body
            "your choice" does not extend to choosing whether or not you have bad outcomes from a bad decision

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it stopped being your body alone
            That never happened though. You can put w/e you want into someones body, it's still theirs.
            >its a part of your body that wouldnt be there without the mans dna creating it
            And the first part is crucial. Otherwise you can argue against people getting treatment from any diseases they caught from others or that your dentist owns your body because they put an implant into it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can put w/e you want into someones body, it's still theirs.
            except a baby, in the same way its a part of your body it is a part of his
            comparing it to getting a dental implant is so genuinely stupid I am choosing to believe youre trolling, how little regard for human life must you have to earnestly think its like a virus or a bad tooth
            I want to repeat Im no christcuck and genuinely unwanted babies should not be born simple as, the problem is the wanted ones who aren't born, I really dont understand how anything short of a rape baby or a baby that posed a mortal threat to the mother could possibly be so bad that you would disagree with such a base level of humanity

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >part of his body is in your body, which also gives him claim over your body
            It's wild accusing anyone of trolling after that shit.
            >how little regard for human life must you have to earnestly think its like a virus or a bad tooth
            Bizarre too when you disregard the will of an actual living human and want to deny them control over their body.
            >I want to repeat Im no christcuck
            Does it matter when you have similar ideas about muh human live and same desire to cuck humans out of their bodily autonomy?
            >I really dont understand how anything short of a rape baby or a baby that posed a mortal threat to the mother could possibly be so bad
            I mean, I believe that you don't. I really do. Otherwise it'd be pretty monstrous wanting to damn someone to 9 months of misery AND a horrible experience in the end of it all because you feel like it. (Let's even skip what live would be for an unwanted child)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It's the man's child. Killing abortionists in defense of your child is justified. Cutting off her hands to defend the child is justified.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hey, I'm all for men giving birth if they want to and deal with the logistics of it somehow.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. The woman will be strapped down if need be until the pregnancy is complete. Afterward, she will go to prison for attempted murder.
            Cheers!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            "Why can't I find a gf, I'm such a nice guy?!"

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If there was a way to transfer the pregnancy from the woman who didn't want it to you, would you accept it? Or is it too scary?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No, because that's her responsibility as a mother, not mine. My responsibility is to protect her and kill all abortionists.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If you really valued the child's life, you'd take the pregnancy burden. but you don't, you just want to punish the woman.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Words are hard for you, aren't they?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >ohhh waaaahhh my body was made for small bursts of discomfort instead of having a lifelong baseline of misery
            ohhh waaaahhh my body was designed for small bursts of cum allowing me to impregnate multiple women (who then have to endure a 9 month baseline of misery and life-long side effects)
            >why cant I just take all the good parts of life without accepting the possible negatives
            why cant you take all the bad parts of pregnancy while i accept all the possible positives
            >let me kill your child its annoying to me :~~*(
            let my child kill you your agency is annoying me : ~~*(

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            ask your mother if childbirth/pregnancy was just a small bit of discomfort. moron.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >unless she willingly copulated, in which case the decision is each of theirs
        I would agree with this if the man were also willingly carrying to term & giving birth. Until such time as medical science allows that to be so, I must reaffirm my existing position.

        I'd ask them to rationalize their positions and see which of them is being more reasonable. Nothing about who wants the abortion and who doesn't changes the moral dilemma. Eventually, they need to decide one way or another and live with the consequences.

        Furthermore, I claim it most rational that I personally abort this poster, in particular.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Furthermore, I claim it most rational that I personally abort this poster, in particular.

          They're always quick to reveal their hands.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >No you don't get it, I HAVE to kill my baby!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Abortion isn't "killing a baby" because a 12-week old fetus isn't a fricking baby yet.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          The average birth is around 40 weeks
          You are killing at least 1/4 of a baby.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      bump

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm gonna get shredded here, but it's not my choice. I'm not the one that has to cook the motherfricker for 9 months.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Man here, I'd be very disappointed but I'd have to accept that she's the one growing the baby inside her and that's a lot to ask. Hopefully we could have one later.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm gonna get shredded here, but it's not my choice. I'm not the one that has to cook the motherfricker for 9 months.

      Pregnancy is a nightmare and raising a child is extremely difficult and expensive, and it doesn't sound like you're even married. This is a no brainer.

      You two are right but I also think the mother should have some sympathy. Maybe they could find a middle ground, like she could get induced, give birth, and the father gets sole custody. Then both parties get what they want.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        How is "I get all of the downsides and you get all you want" the middle ground?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm actually a married female, but hypothetically if I was in this situation (being unhappily pregnant) and the dad wanted the child that bad, I'd let him have it. I'd ask for financial support for any medical related bills, and once it's born, I'd give him full single custody and I'd pay child support if he wanted/needed it. That's just my opinion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >That's just my opinion.
            Which is fine but like, it doesn't make the thing balanced. It's not just medical related bills after all but you generally having to adjust your life a lot for couple of months. And the whole fun of giving birth.

            As a dude, I can't picture doing it with a baby I don't want unless there is a some seriously over the top payment involved.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            In my opinion, the 9 months of pregnancy and readjustment after childbirth is equal to the 20+ years of single parenthood the father would be volunteering for. Especially if he would be paying for my medical bills and physiotherapy after the baby is born.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Obviously raising a kid is even more of a mess but there is a huge difference whether someone wants it or not. With an unwanted baby, you're the only one who's getting something you don't want.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hypothetically she'd be free of the child after the 9 months though, and all her complications that needed treatments would be paid for.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Sure but some months out of these 9 that would be pretty horrible at zero benefits for her unless there is a wage given for the breeding part too, not just additional expenses.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Have you heard the phrase "You reap what you sow"?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Maybe there could be some kind of financial compensation, like how surrogacy works. If a couple get pregnant and the woman wants to abort and the guy wants to keep it, they could enter some kind of surrogacy arrangement where the guy would pay all her medical bills, and then an extra payment on top, and then after the birth, the man gets sole custody of the baby and the woman is free to continue on her life. Good thinking!

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        And the woman gets the health nightmare that comes with pregnancy. There is no middle ground here, man. Pregnancy does a fricking number on womens bodies. This isnt an "everyone walks away happy" situation. Also
        >induced
        Worst idea. Jus saying, not for you, but for any crawlers going through this themselevs or with their wife. Natural birth, or Get the C section. Do not get induced. I am shocked they even do that anymore.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Pregnancy does a fricking number on womens bodies.
          And so does having to work in extreme conditions 12+ hours a day. Men have done this for thousands of years. Pregnancy is a single grain of sand in the bucket compared to the pain and suffering that a man has to go through.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Hey. I work construction.. sometimes 10-12 hours a day. m 36.
            Pregnancy is worse. Stfu with yohr half baked uninformed opinions.
            Also
            >men have always worked hard long days
            This is a whole different thread, but, outside of like the last 100 or so years, nope. But thats for another day.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Lmfao. What ever you say, sir knight

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >having to work in extreme conditions 12+ hours a day
            Usually you get paid for it. The reward for pregnancy is suffering through giving birth and hoping that goes well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am pro-life but if the man knocks a girl up he has to marry her and help her through the vulnerable time in her life
            Two people had fun so two people pay the consequence

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            do all men work 12+ hours in extreme conditions? no. lots of men have cushy office jobs where they can sit on their asses all day. however ALL pregnancies result in miscarriage, childbirth, C-section, or death. even pregnancies where everything goes right are still painful, scary, and dangerous.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most men have to work hard physical labor. Just because ~10-20% don't doesn't mean that it isn't the status quo in the same way that some women not having children doesn't mean that childbirth isn't desirable.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I'm aware it's not a happy ending for either party, however, IMO if the man is paying for everything pregnancy related AND he's signing up for 18 or more years of single fatherhood, then I can carry the baby for him in order to maintain a compromise. I just tried to come up with the situation that would result in the most balanced and logical outcome. just my opinion though, I've never been pregnant so I don't know what it's like.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would never stay with a woman who believes it’s okay to murder our preborn baby.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why?

      unless she willingly copulated, in which case the decision is each of theirs
      not that hard to prevent if you simply cant stop having sex with people you dont want children with

      We aren't married.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We aren't married.
        I noticed
        you played russian roulette with a loaded wiener and lost, face your life now

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >We aren't married
        Tell him he needs to man up and take you to the courthouse for a shotgun wedding.
        If you still want a big ceremony you can do it later, but IMO that shit is massively overrated. The obsession the modern materialist west has with shit like diamond rings and fancy elaborate weddings just puts a completely unnecessary burden on young couples that should be buying a house and starting a family.
        Anyway, do what you want, either skip your pipe dream fairytale wedding or live with the guilt of extinguishing a budding human life because you forgot to use a condom or take your birth control pill.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"preborn"

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd ask them to rationalize their positions and see which of them is being more reasonable. Nothing about who wants the abortion and who doesn't changes the moral dilemma. Eventually, they need to decide one way or another and live with the consequences.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'm a guy but I've known two chicks that had abortions, they were all for it at the time but afterwards they became absolute messes. When they would get drunk they would cry about how much they regretted getting an abortion and even though they couldn't keep it they felt like they should've just put it up for adoption. It ruined them mentally and scars them to this day, if I were you I'd just have the kid, it'd save you a hell of a lot of mental anguish.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >afterwards they became absolute messes
      I've known a couple women with this experience. I've known more women without this experience. I also don't tend to associate with women who haven't mentally matured to the point where they can't develop and stick to logical reasoning when evaluating the best course of action for a problem they're solving.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not to be an anti-abortion gay, but when you get an abortion you are removing a human life from the world. I personally think those women who are mentally scarred from the experience just react how a normal person would when they realized they killed a human. It's usually when they hold a baby in their arms does it really set in, when you can't see it it's easy to think of it like it's not a human, but at the end of the day it still is.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I don't care to weigh in on the matter one way or another, ultimately my opinion doesn't and shouldn't matter. But I'm aware that the concept is still thoroughly within the realm of ambiguity and probably will be forever. It comes down to personhood and when exactly that is established. Any arguments to support the point at which personhood is established are purely speculative, unfalsifiable, and subject to having the same logic applied as a counterpoint. This isn't aided by the fact that we can't even unanimously define what personhood is.

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >FYI I'm the woman
    FYI yu will NEVER be the woman.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Pregnancy is a nightmare and raising a child is extremely difficult and expensive, and it doesn't sound like you're even married. This is a no brainer.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Which is exactly why I want to abort.

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    M

    >What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?
    Love her more in hopes she’ll change her mind.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This is the only correct answer in this entire thread.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      you are correct

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Her body her choice. But after she gets an abortion she gets served divorce paperwork and thank goodness I signed a prenup.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Both of you should visit the doctor so you can discuss it with a knowledgeable mediator and check who has ultimate say (you do obviously but bf might need to hear it from a doc)

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Force her to have the child and put her in prison for life afterward. Women who even want an abortion should go to jail. Worthless fricking prostitute trash

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Yikes

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      he is right
      kill such women
      like they kill their babys

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        A 12-week fetus isn't a baby.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Behead all satans. Abortionists are satans

  14. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So women will say abortion is necessary because men don't man up. But when a man agrees to man up and take responsibility for his child the woman turns on him and aborts anyway? More proof abortion is female supremacy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The man isn't the one carrying the fetus in his body.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If men could, women would be out of a job.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Physiologically we have a higher tolerance of pain on average so yeah literally
          That would be a funny mini-series or something men can carry children so the job is given to men because women can’t stand the pain of labor

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >So women will say abortion is necessary because men don't man up. But when a man agrees to man up and take responsibility for his child the woman turns on him and aborts anyway?
      Protip: every situation is different.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      They don't "take responsibility" though. They want the woman to be a domestic slave. What do you think would happen if the woman told the man she'd leave him as soon as she gave birth and dump the baby solely on him? He'd be livid.

  15. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://aidaccess.org/en/i-need-an-abortion

    I'd take abortion pills in secret and tell him I had a miscarriage.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Emotional, spiritual, financial, and intellectual incompetence
      Imagine being to pussy to tell your man you're going to get an abortion. The fact that you're afraid to tell him is evidence enough that what you're doing is wrong.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I mean, as bad as men are about handling their emotions, maybe she just doesn't want to get killed if he spergs out.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Again another cope.
          Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
          The core of the issue is obvious. Women are afraid of being confronted about abortion because, deep down, they know its wrong. No amount of red herrings about le men R bad is going to change that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
            Because most women aren't the brightest.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
            Why are so many people in relationships with people that go on to cheat on them? Why don't they just decide to date people who won't cheat on them?

          • 1 month ago
            you are a faggot

            >Reading comprehension level: 0
            The context here is that she would be worried that he's going to sperg out. Try to follow along.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Right. I'm trying to emphasize the flawed logic here. Women date men who are abusive for the same reason that anyone dates someone who cheats on them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Which is completely irrelevant because the context is she believes he might freak out if she tells him. Again try to follow along.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just like people believe their partner might cheat on them at times. And one of the things is life-threatening too, so it's better to be on the safe side, unless she's 100% certain he'll react like an adult.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Just like people believe their partner might cheat on them at times.
            Not at all comparable to thinking he might kill her. I implore you to reread everything that was posted before you inserted your stupid fricking opinion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This poster

            Just like people believe their partner might cheat on them at times. And one of the things is life-threatening too, so it's better to be on the safe side, unless she's 100% certain he'll react like an adult.

            wasn't me. This just goes to demonstrate that your critical thinking skills are less developed than your average /adv/ poster.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Didn't say it was, stupid homosexual. You need to work on your reading comprehension.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Holy shit. You are incapable of connecting two things, aren't you? Let me spell this out too: if other people are quicker to the uptake than you in this matter, you're making dumb fricking arguments with large holes in the logic. I thought Explain It Like I'm 5 was a Reddit thing.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There's no "large holes in the logic". Thinking someone is going to kill you because you decided to have an abortion is not at all comparable to thinking your SO is going to cheat on you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            These are both situations in which you are relying on the person you're with to not be a bad person. There is no dating a man who might not become violent just like there is no dating a person who might not cheat on you. People can do these things. You have no control whether they do it or not.
            I don't care about the specifics of the situation beyond that point, these are the relevant facts of the matter.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >These are both situations in which you are relying on the person you're with to not be a bad person.
            No reasonable person is going to fear that their S.O. is going to murder them unless signs are there. You literally cannot compare the two.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Most murderers don't exactly advertise it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            And murder isn't common either. So again, no reasonable person is going to fear that their S.O. is going to murder them unless signs are there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Murders aren't but violence against the partner is not that uncommon. I guess "only" getting beat up because some moron can't control his feelz makes it all okay now.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about literally being killed. Maybe try rereading the thread again. Here's where it started:

            I mean, as bad as men are about handling their emotions, maybe she just doesn't want to get killed if he spergs out.

            You shouldn't be on/adv/ if your reading comprehension is this bad.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Anon, are you genuinely autistic? Literally getting killed is just the worst case scenario out of many dangerous scenarios due men being overly emotional.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Im not the one that brought it up

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            But you're the one who couldn't follow it. So seems it's either autism, moronation or just instinctively replying after seeing something you disagreed with without bothering to understand the thing first. (Ironically being another example of men utterly sucking at managing their emotions)

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Being killed is not just "violence". It isn't my fault you cant articulate properly.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            We're talking about literally being killed. Maybe try rereading the thread again. Here's where it started: [...]
            You shouldn't be on/adv/ if your reading comprehension is this bad.

            You can compare the two along the relevant lines defined. Do I believe cheating is as bad as killing? Obviously not. That's not what was at issue here. I'm demystifying
            >Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
            this stupid premise with obvious conclusions that other posters in this thread aren't having the same struggles as you in rectifying.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Mental gymnastics at its finest.
            Fearing that your SO might kill you is in no way similar to fearing that your SO might cheat on you. You're a fricking dumbass if you really think the circumstances in which one would reasonably fear death are the EXACT SAME as the circumstances in which one would fear being cheated on.
            Do you fear falling to your death on the ground floor anon?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            These are both situations in which you are relying on the person you're with to not be a bad person. There is no dating a man who might not become violent just like there is no dating a person who might not cheat on you. People can do these things. You have no control whether they do it or not.
            I don't care about the specifics of the situation beyond that point, these are the relevant facts of the matter.

            They are comparable in that
            • you are relying on the person you're with to not be a bad person
            • There is no dating a man who might not become violent just like there is no dating a person who might not cheat on you
            I'm sorry if that's not enough for you to understand why someone might be with a man who has the capacity for violence, but it seems to be a functional comparison for others to draw out the conclusion I was making.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Moving the goalposts.
            The claim being made is that she wouldn't want to tell him for fear of being killed, not fearing he will "be a bad person".
            >you are relying on the person you're with to not be a bad person
            No reasonable person would fear being killed by their S.O. unless signs were present. It would be normal and easy to assume that your S.O. wouldn't literally fricking kill you. You don't need to "rely on that", its something literally anyone can take for granted. If you fear that your S.O. is going to kill you, then that only brings into question why you're with them to begin with. It has nothing to do with "relying" on them not killing you. If you are fearing them killing you it's either because you either see those tendencies in them, or its because there's something wrong with you.
            >There is no dating a man who might not become violent just like there is no dating a person who might not cheat on you
            The claim being made is that she wouldn't want to tell him for fear of being killed, not fearing he will "become violent".
            You are moving the goalposts by trying to rephrase it as a fear of being harmed or fear that he's going to be a "bad person", when it's about literally being killed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >trying to rephrase it as a fear of being harmed or fear that he's going to be a "bad person", when it's about literally being killed
            >being harmed
            >fear that he's going to be a "bad person"
            >being killed
            These aren't mutually exclusive considerations. In fact, they can go hand-in-hand.
            >If you are fearing them killing you it's either because you either see those tendencies in them, or its because there's something wrong with you
            This is wishful thinking. I'm a man and don't have to worry about this myself, but I've seen what men are capable of and how a societal sense of entitlement plays into some very irrational responses. I know women who constantly fear for their life when it comes to dating men for a variety of reasons and I can't say I blame any of them for it.

            You can't make a justification for killing someone you're in a relationship with outside of self defense that doesn't circumvent a more reasonable alternative. You can't make a justification for cheating on someone you're with that doesn't circumvent a more reasonable alternative. These aren't things you can prepare against and they can happen at any time for any reason. I really don't care where you're deciding to come from if it's not addressing the moronic logic I was pointing out in your post in the first place.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >These aren't mutually exclusive considerations. In fact, they can go hand-in-hand.
            THE CONSIDERATION BEING MADE IS THAT HE IS GOING TO KILL YOU, YOU DENSE FRICK. Your argument would be valid if it were about only violence and not literally being fricking killed.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I mean, if you want to be specific

            I mean, as bad as men are about handling their emotions, maybe she just doesn't want to get killed if he spergs out.

            the root of the issue was about how men are bad at handling their emotions. The poster chose to reference the worst-case scenario as an example of why a woman might approach the situation cautiously.

            Again another cope.
            Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
            The core of the issue is obvious. Women are afraid of being confronted about abortion because, deep down, they know its wrong. No amount of red herrings about le men R bad is going to change that.

            Here you choose to refute the poster's rationale when it comes to the cautious approach by questioning the situation's premise. I'd imagine, given the context in the rest of your response and the post you were replying to, you were suggesting the situation is within her control.

            >Why is she with a man who might have that reaction then?
            Why are so many people in relationships with people that go on to cheat on them? Why don't they just decide to date people who won't cheat on them?

            Here I'm challenging the implication that the situation is within her control to begin with and we've been going at it ever since.

            Can't believe I wasted the time to give you a detailed breakdown, but it seems it's necessary to remind you that the logic itself is what's at issue- not the specifics. The poster could have just as easily opted to refer to general violence and your argument would have still seamlessly applied. Your logic is flawed. People cannot prepare against other peoples' actions and men acting irrationally to any extent is the standard.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >I mean, if you want to be specific
            Uh no fricking shit moron
            >The poster chose to reference the worst-case scenario as an example of why a woman might approach the situation cautiously.
            To which i responded specifically to the worst case scenario. You're getting closer.
            >Here you choose to refute the poster's rationale when it comes to the cautious approach by questioning the situation's premise.
            And the situation's premise is that she, hypothetically, believes he might literally kill her. That premise is unreasonable on it's face. If she reasonably believed that he might kill her, that brings into question why she's with him. Specifically BEING KILLED, not "he might do bad thing", not "he might hurt me".
            If it were just these then sure, it would be a stupid point. But that wasn't the rationale being used nor the rationale I was refuting. You're so close yet you just don't get it.
            >Here I'm challenging the implication that the situation is within her control to begin with and we've been going at it ever since.
            If she believes that he's going to kill her, its reasonable to assume she saw signs (i.e. violence, threats, etc.) beforehand, then she absolutely had a choice beforehand. If she didn't see those signs beforehand, then there isn't any reason at all for her to fear literal fricking death and therefore the rationale is moot as she doesn't have that rationale to begin with.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You're so close yet you just don't get it
            I get that you're harping on the specifics as a defense against making decisions that could hurt a man's feelings. The logic doesn't work.
            >If she believes that he's going to kill her, its reasonable to assume she saw signs
            She did see signs. 82% of homicides are perpetrated by men. It doesn't take feminism to understand that men are more likely to act violently and -far- more likely to kill. It doesn't take a look outside of this thread to observe a trend in a male sense of entitlement that often leads to justification of retaliation against women. Pair this with the flaws in your logic I've been alluding to and it's not hard to see where they're coming from even if the particular situation is unlikely.
            You keep saying "reasonable" as though it's a universally understood and functional term here. What's more likely is that you've arbitrarily aligned with the term and feel justified in weaponizing against anything you don't personally experience.
            I'll give credit where it's due; you're consistent in your logic which is more than I can say for most around here. It's just that your logic falls apart when you apply any amount of critical analysis to it and it's predicated based on your own personal experiences and determinations.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing you stated is relevant whatsoever. If you're afraid of your boyfriend killing you because you read online statistics, you are mentally ill.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >If she reasonably believed that he might kill her, that brings into question why she's with him
            Well, anon, being killed is usually the last thing that ever happens to a victim, and it only happens once, so there is never a precedent of getting killed before, therefore there is never a reasonable basis to believe that one might get killed in the future.

            But let's change the perspective a bit:
            Imagine that if the man became aware that his gf had gotten an abortion, he was perhaps going to want to kill you. The chance of him actually going ahead and trying to kill you is, let's say, "very low". How low would that chance need to be, that you would encourage the woman to tell the man that she got an abortion, when she could have kept it secret instead? Would you do it at 5%? 1%? 0.01%? Keep in mind, if she keeps the abortion secret, your chances of being killed would stay at a solid 0%.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Let's change the perspective a bit more:
            If the man learns that his gf got an abortion, he might want to kill you.
            I will encourage the woman to get an abortion and tell the man, no matter what.
            For you to forgive me for doing this, how low does the chance of the man killing you have to be?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Well, anon, being killed is usually the last thing that ever happens to a victim, and it only happens once, so there is never a precedent of getting killed before, therefore there is never a reasonable basis to believe that one might get killed in the future.
            Well no fricking shit. Thank you for proving my point. There is no reasonable basis to believe your boyfriend is literally going to kill you for having an abortion. Which means you're either severely mentally ill, you saw signs of him being violent (in which you could have avoided the issue altogether), or you're projecting your fear of punishment by god onto your boyfriend.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Answer the hypothetical. How much risk to your own life would you accept for someone else to follow your principles?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Okay, I'm seeing now that I can't just leave you to develop the conclusion on your own so I'll spell it out for you. Women don't typically seek men who are violent. Just like people don't typically seek out people who are disloyal. People's actions are beyond our control and every person has the capacity to do awful shit. You plan for the worst and hope for the best.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Just like people believe their partner might cheat on them at times.
            Not at all comparable to thinking he might kill her. I implore you to reread everything that was posted before you inserted your stupid fricking opinion.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It might break his heart, that's why.

  16. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Dump him immediately and get the abortion. If he can't respect your autonomy he obviously doesn't love you and only sees you as an incubator and source of unpaid domestic labour.

  17. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Having a child you don't 100% want is a bad idea, for all parties involved. Don't let anyone guilt you into it.

    But also, after this try better to prevent this from happening in the first place.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >what is giving it up to adoption

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If the boyfriend wants to keep it, that generally means he wants to keep it in his life, and not give it up for adoption

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Have you considered he literally just doesn't want his child to die?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          I was always under the impression that "keeping it" means keeping it and raising it, but in that case you mentioned, adoption is a good alternative as well.

  18. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Abortion is demonic.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >"i became catholic"
      Cringe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      https://radiomaria.us/podcast/the-gospel-of-life/january-20-2015-healing-the-shockwaves-of-abortion/

      FYI, "Brian" is Brian Baker from Minor Threat/Bad Religion. He needs to get #metoo'd for this.

  19. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    God created your child for a reason. Your child has a purpose in this world and you should reconsider aborting.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Why doesn't God want to carry it herself then?

  20. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I cannot morally endorse abortion. All I could do is ask her to keep the child. Maybe deal with the sorrow and guilt when it is appropriate

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Maybe deal with the sorrow and guilt when it is appropriate
      >implying men feel sorrow at all

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >implying men ever dont

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Men don't feel love. That's a fact.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            This. Men don't really love women. All they want is the sex and the babies.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Define ”love.”

  21. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Im pregnant and all I know, is this baby is wanted, at the same time it fills me with despair that such a feeling is enough to dictate who gets to live and who doesn’t even today.
    No one feels ever ready to be a parent btw, but it’s not like you will pretend to consider this at all, same as you never considered not to get dicked by someone you didn’t want to stay with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Raising a child isn't love and hugs 24/7.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        nta but it has been for my wife and I. She had an abortion at a previous point when she evaluated that the situation wasn't conducive for providing the happy and healthy environment for a child that we felt they deserved. We got to the point where we could provide the environment and things have been smooth sailing since. We almost certainly wouldn't have gotten to this point if we set ourselves back with that kind of commitment prematurely.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Fair enough if you were both addicts and/or homeless without family contacts.
          However I wouldn’t be able to excuse your position that life can be snuffed out of convenience, but that’s the weight you decide to carry, or not.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I don't care to weigh in on the matter one way or another, ultimately my opinion doesn't and shouldn't matter. But I'm aware that the concept is still thoroughly within the realm of ambiguity and probably will be forever. It comes down to personhood and when exactly that is established. Any arguments to support the point at which personhood is established are purely speculative, unfalsifiable, and subject to having the same logic applied as a counterpoint. This isn't aided by the fact that we can't even unanimously define what personhood is.

            Here were my opinions about it.

            [...]
            [...]

            You two are right but I also think the mother should have some sympathy. Maybe they could find a middle ground, like she could get induced, give birth, and the father gets sole custody. Then both parties get what they want.

            In an ideal world people are, at the very least, having this conversation before engaging in a biological process that can result in greater considerations. I've never stuck my penis in someone whose stance I'm not aware of. That would almost eliminate unwanted pregnancy and the greater societal implications that come with it overnight. However, as far as practical alternatives go, a liberal society that seeks to extend and protect inalienable rights of its citizens would develop rights concerning individual bodily autonomy before rights concerning parenthood. As they're more foundational rights, bodily autonomy would also most likely supersede parenthood.
            The only way to work around it is to extend the rights and treatment of a citizen to the fetus. Refer to my previous post I cited for how this is discussed via the concept and defining of personhood. Not that it's an argument against such a notion, but extending rights of citizenship to a fetus would be opening a whole can of worms. Do we let people claim them as dependents for tax purposes? Do we let people take out life insurance policies that would pay out if a miscarriage happened? If a pregnant woman is murdered, would the killer be charged with double homicide?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Nothing is love and hugs 24/7 you mong, hard times are part of life and they will catch up to you wether you abort or not.
        NOT raising a child is not love and hugs 24/7 either, might as well decide to live instead of actively staying coddled and mentally ill.

  22. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Her body, her choice. They're always banging on about it. If she wants the dead baby on her conscience, I can't really stop her. If I tried to stop her, the state would step in and assist her to murder the child.

  23. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I ahate abortionists so much it is unreal. I hope you all get murdered by someone who finds your life inconvenient

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      It wouldn’t elicit such a strong response on my psyche if they weren’t bottom feeders consciously or subconsciously.
      No different than the self sabotaging neet who never wants to fix their life, it’s everyone’s fault but their own.
      If they carried their choice with the severity it entails it’d feel like fair game, but that would strip away anyones sanity long term and they can’t have that. It’s x, y, or z to blame.

  24. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Men: your seed is sacred. Don’t spread your seed into any woman who hasn’t explicitly told you she would want to raise your baby.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Vid very rel

  25. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Her body, her choice.
    Though she had better fine with me claiming my [x], my choice to anything I like.

  26. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    i fear that the emotional consequences of an abortion will be a detriment to your own well-being in the long run. However, the positives of having one is just the best if you are looking at 7 years max or defending on how strong you are.

    I assure you that after that, you will see children starting school and think about your own if you did not commit. Then it will spiral as age comes with despair.

  27. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Take you forcibly to my cabin. Provide for you. When the child comes, convince my medical bros to provide services or hire otherwise. I hope that having a child will convince you to live a better life and adopt a honorable lifestyle, if you are still bent on being anti-christ, I will chloroform you and boat you to a nearby community and raise the child with another mother of my choosing.

  28. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I'd let her abort then murk her or make her a handy, then dump her. Not because of the abortion, but because she thinks she's more important than the baby or me.
    Just like, don't waste my time. Next time take a pill lmao

  29. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?
    I'm a man, so I'll do that first:

    First of all, I'd never be in that situation, because if the woman doesn't want the kid, then I don't want the kid. I don't want my kid to have a mom that never wanted him, and I think it's basically child abuse to have a kid knowing that's how things would be

    But, I like a good hypothetical, so let's assume somehow I did want the kid. I guess I'd try to talk her into it, try to convince her that it'd be fine and that once she had it, she'd see how much happier she was or whatever. Or I'd tell her she could just have the kid and sign away her rights and I'd take them myself, no worries

    If I was the woman? I'd go get the abortion and I wouldn't have a second thought about it. If you really are a woman in that position, then you are a fool and in my book, basically a child abuser if you have that kid when you don't want them. Get the abortion, your gay boyfriend's feelings aren't even based in reality, they mean nothing

  30. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Assuming it is still in the first trimester, it is your body your choice.
    But you could choose to carry it to term and then agree with the father to give sole custody to him including him giving up on child support from you. Of course clear that with a lawyer first.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >But you could choose to carry it to term and then agree with the father to give sole custody to him including him giving up on child support from you
      Everyone that she knows will see her as she progresses through pregnancy. No fricking way of hiding it by the end, so literally everyone will know she's going to have a baby, and then at the end, poof, no baby. Granted she could explain the situaton to everyone and that'd be fine, but you know.. not really worth it when she could just kill the thing

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Wait until it starts to show and then take a sabbatical for half a year.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Wait until it starts to show and then take a sabbatical for half a year.
          Nothing will work, they will see her break up with the dude and him suddenly have a baby and no woman around. She will have to tell everyone herself as early as possible, otherwise they'll just find out eventually and it'll be weirder than necessary for everyone

  31. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >> I'm the woman

    This is a larp, everyone on NSFFW is male.

    >> what do you do

    You discuss it like adults.

  32. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?
    If the two of them have made an agreement on what happens beforehand, implement it.
    If they haven't, default to having the woman decide, and then ask the man and the woman why those dumbasses haven't come to an agreement yet on how to handle pregnancy.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      How about we default to killing abortionists so that neither has a choice

  33. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Abortion is murder and nobody wants to put his dick in a haunted vegana. If a roasties murdered my baby I would at a minimum never have anything to do with her again, and if I found out a girl had ever had an abortion no matter the reason it would be an instant deal-breaker

  34. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Both women and men may answer.)
    I didn't know I needed your permission

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Never take the bait. It's the motte & bailey fallacy. They want you to squabble about men having opinions about women's medical decisions instead of the medical decisions themselves. Many such cases.

  35. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Well don’t do pic related

  36. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    b***h i beg you rn dont ruin your pussy for one man

  37. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There is nothing more beautiful than a man who wants to be a dad.

    You are sick and evil OP. This man obviously wants a family with you and you repay him by threatening to kill his child.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Cool. I don't trust pro-life men for this exact reason. I don't want someone who sees me primarily as an incubator.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        however men who see you nothing more than a dicking are fine kek

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          It's usually both. Men who feel entitled to sex often times feel entitled to babies as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Except the baby daddies that frick off when she gets knocked up? Or sleazy men who never call again? It’s increasingly more uncommon to desire to have children than ever, pick up a book Black person you never lived in the silent gen/boomer era, the fact any woman can decide to abort without the fathers consent should give you a clue that your mind has misconstrued a different reality out of the world.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Actually, the only thing worse than a man forcing you to get an abortion is a man forcing you to not get an abortion.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >There is nothing more beautiful than a man who wants to be a dad.
      yeah milking women for unpaid reproductive/domestic labour is totes beautiful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You and many women will never be a mother anyway anon

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        You will never be a mother op

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      On what basis should men get a say?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        He was part of the creation of the baby and the child shares part of his DNA. if you don't want him to a say in it. Then fricking leave him so he can find a much better woman to have kids with.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      “Wants to be a dad” =/= “will love and care for his baby mama”

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Oh enough with the sentimental bullshit. If it’s not inside your body you don’t get a say.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What’s more beautiful is respecting your partner’s decisions she makes with her own body.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What's more beautiful is taking responsibility for your actions, birthing the child that you created, and raising it with your husband.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      If the man wants to be a dad he has to buy a wedding ring for the OP.
      It has happened that the man demands the girl keep the baby and then leaves without a word

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      This post is 100% pure emotional blackmail.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Emotional blackmail
        Telling someone are evil for wanting to do something that is evil is not ""emotional blackmail""

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Emotional blackmail means fear, obligation, and guilt, so yes I would consider calling someone sick and evil for removing a fetus from their body to be emotional blackmail.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            By your definition, emotional blackmail is a meaningless term
            >You shouldn't blow up that hospital, its evil
            >Emotional blackmail

            Murdering children is evil. Murdering your own children is especially evil and anyone that does it or wants to do it is evil

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            By this logic it's emotional blackmail for you to tell someone to not get in a fistfight with a guy who cut them off on the highway.

            If I got a woman pregnant and she said she wanted an abortion I'd just pay her to have the kid and then get her to sign over the parental rights solely to me, if she refused she'd be getting one hell of a legal battle. This whole thing about "my body my choice" is absolutely moronic because the father seems to have no choice in the matter, even though that baby is equally his as it is hers, any woman that would willingly kill a child who would be loved and taken care of just because it's inconvenient for her for a few months is a disgusting monster.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The baby is 50/50 each person, however the pain and agony of bringing it into the world falls on one single person

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Literally just get a c-section right away instead of trying to push it out then, also there are tons of painkillers that can help immensely. The only way childbirth is incredibly painful nowadays is if you go for a natural birth or if your vegana rips. A woman saying she doesn't wanna have a baby because it's "too painful" is a moron who doesn't know the power of modern medicine.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Silly anon has no idea what "labor" is, doesn't know about pregnancy back pain/bloating/morning sickness, and forgot about all the months of recovery in PT you have to do to truly heal from the physical trauma. even a c-section leaves a 1ft diameter wound from where the placenta rips away from your body, Anon. there is no getting around the agony, only some slight relief in the moment of birth.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Removing a fetus from a woman's uterus isn't evil.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Murdering children is evil and anyone that does it, wants to do it, or supports those who do it is evil

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            A fetus isn't a "child".

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Just because you want to dehumanize people to justify your selfishness does not mean it has any basis in reality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If it resembles a tadpole it’s not a full or equal person.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            Just because you want to dehumanize people to justify your selfishness does not mean it has any basis in reality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >dehumanize
            Moral bullshit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >The same person flinging around "emotional blackmail" is not flinging "Moral bullshit" when their evil is exposed
            Your sophistry won't work here, demon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            There is nothing evil about abortion.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Everything about it is evil, including you.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nope. Removing a clump of cells from my uterus is morally neutral.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            see

            Just because you want to dehumanize people to justify your selfishness does not mean it has any basis in reality.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >removing a clump of cells
            You’re destroying a human life.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        > “Im going to kill your child”
        > Please don’t I wouldn’t be able to live with myself being compliant in that
        > “Stop emotionally blackmailing me you’re being inconsiderate of MY feelings”

        Stop projecting

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        What’s wrong with men WANTING to be fathers? The best thing a man can be is a father who shows love and compassion to his children. Protecting his child from abortion is an act of love.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          He’s forcing a woman to carry his child without her consent.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No he's not. She consented to have sex, and carrying a child is the consequence of that. Saying she doesn't consent to carrying a child is like saying you didn't consent to breaking your legs when you chose to jump off a building.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Also the child would not consent to being abortet, it has an inherent drive to live.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            If it wants to live it should be able to sign a form. Otherwise, into the trash it goes.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >it has an inherent drive to live.
            Prove it.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Prove it
            You can watch videos of embryos struggeling against abortion, for me those are to dark tho. All of it's cells are trying to fullfill their natural purpose to multiply and developing, any danger will be tried to fought of just like any living creature would

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can watch videos of embryos struggeling against abortion
            How do you know they are "struggling" rather than having reflexes?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >You can watch videos of embryos struggeling against abortion,
            Post them.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The child is already conceived. He is protecting a human being which already exists. It already has it's own gene pool and processes of life. This has nothing to do with forcing the mother but it's about protecting the child, which is also her child, so he's also trying to protect her child as well.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            So women are merely vessels for babies without concerns and feelings of their own?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nobodies saying that you disingenuous monster. If I "feel" like I want to kill monsters that murder their children, I guess that means you need to respect my freedom too, hu?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            No they aren't, that's a straw man arguement. But when it comes to deciding over another humans live or death (in this case the baby's), we're dealing with a situation where there is no other option, than to carry the baby.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >What’s wrong with men WANTING to be fathers?
          Who's carrying the baby?

          Why is she an afterthought?

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This man obviously wants a family with you and you repay him by threatening to kill his child.

      Every scenario is different. Coercing someone to have your baby isn't beautiful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        If she's pregnant she already has his baby. Stopping someone from killing a child is beautiful.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          You're okay with full-blown coercion?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I oppose rape, which is the coercion here, but yes, I obviously oppose child murder and believe it should be prohibited.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >This man obviously wants a family with you
      AKA he wants a domestic servant.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Frick this post unironically reminded me how good conscious rap was in the 90s. Thanks entitled-to-babies anon.

  38. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    You can abort if you use protection. If you did it unprotected you should follow the "don't do the crime if you can't pay the fine" rule.

    You shouldn't have childmaking sex with a man and then back out. It's incredibly unfair. But if you tried to prevent it, and the man knows and agrees with this then it's fine since it's unwanted.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Kinda funny reading this on a board where people unironically shill for muh pullout method.

  39. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    F. Jesus christ if you don't have kids just use a condoms or bc or morning after pill and break up with your bf and have the abortion after. You don't deserve him. He wants to support the child and have a famliy with you but you are too self centered and narcissistic to think that you are more important than the child and your bf

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >you are more important than the child and your bf
      She is.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      What child? A fetus isn't a child.

  40. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    JFC you don't deserve him. A women who would kill her own child is evil, especially if the father is begging her not to.

  41. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keep your legs closed you fricking prostitute

  42. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Sorry if another man touches your vag whilst your dating someone it's cheating.
    Dr. Mike will be putting his medical sex toys in your vag, playing with it and giving you pleasure. Your bf is a cuck.

  43. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Some things to keep in mind about abortion;

    If you believe in God: Jeremiah 1:5

    If you’re an atheist look into Bernard N Nathanson he was a member of NARAL and was actually the person who invented the argument and argued in the original Roe V Wade case that fetuses aren’t human beings. Later in his life he completely 180’d his stance (bare in mind this man personally performed over 30 thousand abortions as a medical professional) he said on his death bed in an interview “…To profit we denied what we knew to be true in an effort to mislead the American public in the courts of this land, that being abortion always has and does kill an already existing living human being. This was the greatest mistake of my life and legal abortion has been the single greatest mistake in all of American history.”

    You’re feeling don’t matter you’re a grown up now and you’re playing with life and death you have practically zero risk involving your own health in comparison to every generation before while bearing that child. It is not worth that already living child’s entire life for you to live comfortably for a few months.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Jeremiah 1:5
      Literally says nothing about abortion.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        It’s God saying He knew us as individuals before we were even born meaning there’s no scenario from a theological standpoint where a fetus is not a person because that fetus was a person before it was even formed according to God

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Why do israelites hold the soul doesn’t enter the baby until it’s born then? The Catholic Church made up the “life begins at fertilization” nonsense from whole cloth in order to push celibacy. Meanwhile, even Orthodox israelites will say abortion rights are necessary.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I personally believe neither of the groups you’ve named act in genuine faith of God I am a non denominational Christian who believes in Christ and His teachings alone as He commanded me to do. Don’t ever rely on the word of men rely on the word of God it’s always right there.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            israelites have access to the original Hebrew. What makes their understanding wrong and pastor Bob from rural Indiana’s interpretation right?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because israelites reject Christ, while Pastor Bob actually reads and obeys the word of God.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because pastor bob is reading directly from the bible cross referencing it with the wording from the original and publicly available manuscripts they’re not hidden or a secret everyone has had access to them for probably both our entire lifetimes. I won’t say anything wroth about Judaism however they rejected Christ who blatantly fulfilled the prophecy of the Old Testament as the messiah so why would I trust their interpretation over what God Himself delivered to me?

            How does belief in Jeebus determine how well you can interpret the Hebrew Bible?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Jesus seems to trump OT but the israelites are more friendly to contraception because they do not want to raise cuck babies

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because Jesus is obviously the messiah so literally everything they wrote beyond that point is provably of men and not of God meaning it’s not to be trusted because God told us that even if an angel from heaven descends and tells us things other than the sure word of God as it’s already been delivered to us to turn away

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Which non-denominational interpretation of the Bible is correct? How do you know?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I remember hearing that Catholic girls would go to israeli doctors to get the pill after they had eight kids and could not have anymore

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Nothing wrong with that.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I just think its a bit autistic at that point; I am against abortion but let people have contraception of some kind

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The best contraception is free anon.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            > N-nno I nnN-NEEED to FoRnIcAtE yy-You’re the unhealthy one!

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            I am asexual autist myself but within a marriage most men just pester their wives for non-stop sex
            It's hilarious but religious gays end up getting more because they believe that the woman's body is their property post marriage contract

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It goes both ways.

            >having to work in extreme conditions 12+ hours a day
            Usually you get paid for it. The reward for pregnancy is suffering through giving birth and hoping that goes well.

            The reward is having a baby and raising it to not be a massive homosexual like you are

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            having a baby is not a reward. it's a difficult and daunting task that comes with some tiny benefits, it's a challenge. parenthood is hard and there's no breaks or vacations from it, it's forever

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Having a baby and raising it is the reward. You can pretend it isn't all you want. In a loving marriage, being a parent is the most rewarding experience anyone could ever have.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            clearly the OP is not in a loving, stable marriage, so in this case, a child may be more of a burden than a benefit

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The burden would be themselves, not the child. They should have made the right choices.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The bible is the proper interpretation of the bible I genuinely don’t understand how you can “interpret” it any way other than the way it’s written it’s very plain text for a reason.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Original Hebrew
            No they don't. They have access to the Masoretic text which dates back to the 9th century.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Because pastor bob is reading directly from the bible cross referencing it with the wording from the original and publicly available manuscripts they’re not hidden or a secret everyone has had access to them for probably both our entire lifetimes. I won’t say anything wroth about Judaism however they rejected Christ who blatantly fulfilled the prophecy of the Old Testament as the messiah so why would I trust their interpretation over what God Himself delivered to me?

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            israelite sects argue about it

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Original Hebrew
            No they don't. They have access to the Masoretic text which dates back to the 9th century.

            The Catholic Church compiled your Bible. You literally have no way of knowing which books are supposed to be in there without the Church’s (pre-schism with Orthodoxy) authority.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        There are two figures in the Bible said to be known by God before conception. Jesus and Jeremiah. This is the proposed biblical basis for individuality before birth. There are many more references to people "being formed in the womb", but this isn't helpful in understanding whether personhood is implied or when it begins. There are also references to laws in which a woman loses a child due to the actions of others and what the penalty is for that [Ex 21.22]. The child that the woman loses is grouped in a set of property laws and the penalty is in line with other laws concerning property. In the same chapter there are more severe penalties for a child striking their parent and kidnapping.
        So there's a spectrum of conclusions you can draw from the Bible to support or denounce abortion. As to how people would have felt about abortion if it was a standard practice, we can only speculate. israeli law in the Bible seems to be built around maintaining hierarchical power structures. If it was a threat to israeli tradition, ritual practices, or the subordination of slaves and women then they'd probably be against it. If it's not, they probably wouldn't care.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          2 Timothy 3:16
          All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Cool. Two problems with this. 1) Paul is referring specifically to the Hebrew Bible as it was the only literature accepted to be scripture at the time. This excludes the synoptic gospel and everything that came after. 2) This is Paul's letter to Timothy concerning authority because he thought he was about to die. In the conversation about who's good to make decisions and how, he's saying "we (Paul, Timothy, and the procession of authority afterwards) will use and interpret it going by the example I've set". It doesn't give the pass for everyone reading to make those determinations. To accept the authority of the church in determining these matters is to also believe divine authority plays into every choice its ever made. As far as I know there's not a single denomination that holds to that. Even Catholics have a history of undermining church authority.

  44. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Realistically you'll be carrying the baby and doing 90% of the caring for it once it's born. That's if the guy doesn't walk out.

  45. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    The Catholic Church compiled your Bible. You literally have no way of knowing which books are supposed to be in there without the Church’s (pre-schism with Orthodoxy) authority.

    >No they don't. They have access to the Masoretic text which dates back to the 9th century.
    >(you)
    I wasn't either of them and the Catholic church is heresy. Divine Liturgy predates the Bible and the Orthodox church compiles and basis everything on the oldest actual text regarding Scripture i.e. the Septuagint. The Catholic church is an artificial creation after the bishop of Rome falsely claimed to be the sole inheritor of Peters legacy, falsely claimed that that gives sole authority of the church, and then changed the creed without holding a council.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      The Catholic Church is the one and only church created by God. The Seat Of Peter is the ultimate authority in matters of faith.
      >God compiled the bible
      God did not physically compile or translate The Bible. He wrote it.
      >The catholic church has a long and obvious history of overtly violating the teachings of Christ
      The Church has never defected from its mission.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >The Church has never defected from its mission
        This is what happens when you don't read the Bible...

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Not an argument

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >God did not physically compile or translate The Bible. He wrote it.
        When is part 3 coming out?

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Part three comes by talking with God. Cheers.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            Does he have writer's block?

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >God compiled the bible
        >God did not physically compile or translate The Bible. He wrote it.
        Are you autistic? That's not at all what I said and you're a moron.
        >The Catholic Church is the one and only church created by God. The Seat Of Peter is the ultimate authority in matters of faith.
        The Orthodox Church is the one and only church created by God. The bishopric of Rome is not the sole inheritor of Peter's apostolic succession, its only claim to fame is being the political center of the Roman Empire. Even if it was the sole inheritor, that wouldn't give it ultimate authority
        >The Church has never defected from its mission.
        lol. LMAO even

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          That guy isn't the pope lol
          >muh bishop of rome
          not going to debate this with you lol
          The "orthodox" are simply mad that Jesus gave his Vicar ultimate authority over matters of faith. Always have been. And also that kooky stuff about muh effects or energies or whatever that essentially breaks down into duotheism

          Christ commanded to “resist not evil” the church lead the crusades
          Christ commanded/said a “a rich man shall in no wise way enter into the kingdom of heaven” the pope lives in a golden city surrounded by incalculable wealth sitting on a golden throne
          Christ said “whosoever shall offend these little ones which believe in me it would be better for them if a milstone was slung about their neck and they were drowned in the depth of the sea.” The catholic church has been embroiled in child abuse controversy the entire time I’ve been alive
          Peter himself said “ravenous wolves” would come for the church after his death and the death of his students
          It’s only my personal belief but I think based on the wording Christ used the blessing of not being susceptible to death and hell is only applicable when the church is obeying the commandment of Christ which it no longer is in many ways
          The Pope also just said gay marriage would be allowed (though not blessed) which like yeah go ahead and defend that one lmao

          You can quote scripture as much as you want but your personal thoughts on it are eisegesis and completely irrelevant to what it actually means.
          >It’s only my personal belief
          Which is exactly why it doesn't matter. God doesn't want you to create your own personal little echo chamber of heterodoxy. He wants you to live according to what HE says.
          >The Pope also just said gay marriage would be allowed (though not blessed) which like yeah go ahead and defend that one lmao
          Like I told the other guy, that man does not occupy The Seat.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            It’s not a matter of interpretation at all I’m just looking at scripture and comparing it to church history and they don’t align which means what it means regardless of anyone’s personal thoughts. It’s not even arguable Christ said X church did Y instead meaning they’re not obeying Christ meaning they’re not founded upon a rock meaning they’re not under the blessing of Christ it’s extremely straightforward

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            More eisegesis

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The workman need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The Catholic Church is the one and only church created by God. The Seat Of Peter is the ultimate authority in matters of faith.
            >God compiled the bible
            God did not physically compile or translate The Bible. He wrote it.
            >The catholic church has a long and obvious history of overtly violating the teachings of Christ
            The Church has never defected from its mission.

            [...]
            The Catholic Church compiled your Bible. You literally have no way of knowing which books are supposed to be in there without the Church’s (pre-schism with Orthodoxy) authority.

            [...]

            >Sees people arguing about whether the belief of all Christians or some israelites is the correct view of abortion, in an abortion thread
            >Immediately jumps in arguing about how Catholicism is right blah blah blah
            You should be ashamed of yourself, or better yet KYS

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            The workman need not be ashamed rightly dividing the word of truth.

            Not an argument. Catholic Church is and always has been the True Faith

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Christ commanded to “resist not evil” the church lead the crusades
        Christ commanded/said a “a rich man shall in no wise way enter into the kingdom of heaven” the pope lives in a golden city surrounded by incalculable wealth sitting on a golden throne
        Christ said “whosoever shall offend these little ones which believe in me it would be better for them if a milstone was slung about their neck and they were drowned in the depth of the sea.” The catholic church has been embroiled in child abuse controversy the entire time I’ve been alive
        Peter himself said “ravenous wolves” would come for the church after his death and the death of his students
        It’s only my personal belief but I think based on the wording Christ used the blessing of not being susceptible to death and hell is only applicable when the church is obeying the commandment of Christ which it no longer is in many ways
        The Pope also just said gay marriage would be allowed (though not blessed) which like yeah go ahead and defend that one lmao

  46. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    [...]

    [...]
    The Catholic Church compiled your Bible. You literally have no way of knowing which books are supposed to be in there without the Church’s (pre-schism with Orthodoxy) authority.

    God compiled the bible not men although if you’d like to argue God compelled men to compile the bible I’d accept that.
    The catholic church has a long and obvious history of overtly violating the teachings of Christ, Christ said upon this rock (petra) in a callback to His earlier saying that a church founded upon HIS TEACHING ALONE the forces of death and hell would never prevail and He said the same about individuals. Semantic arguments about church history are unimportant regardless because we still have the word of God.

  47. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    If you ask people who have actually been through or seen pregnancies youd probably find its way more skewed towards "whatever YOU want".

    To put simply, remember nature kinda sucks and optimum isnt a goal kf.evolution and pregnancy is fricking garbage. You are at extreme risk for a shit frick tonne of medical issues due to pregnancy which elevate the longer youre pregnant.
    Some women wnd up with lifelong health problems following childbirth.
    Men dont have to deal with frick all of any of that. Way easier for a man to.say "well I want it".

    T. Father. Seen pregnancy. Not just wife but others as well. Pregnancy is a living nightmare. You dont want the baby, why risk your health.

    Thats also not to say parenthood is the best thing youll ever do in your life and is well worth the risk and the health stuff. But when youre ready

  48. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Murder a baby or live with the consequences of your actions.

  49. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    TOTAL ABORTIONIST OBLITERATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST DECIMATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST DECAPITATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST ERADICATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST STRANGULATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST SUFFOCATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST PULVERIZATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST INCINERATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST ELIMINATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST EXTERMINATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST DISINTEGRATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST CAPITULATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST RUINATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST TERMINATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST EVISCERATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST NEUTRALIZATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST PURGATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST DEVASTATION
    TOTAL ABORTIONIST ANNIHILATION

  50. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Abortion around the 2-month mark is like killing a starfish. Would you kill your pet starfish for your comfort? Or even a potted plant? This is something to properly discuss. Unless there are major health risks, I would say take responsibility for your actions, at least to the point where you find someone who'd like to adopt a newborn.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      "For your comfort" slightly undersells the experience. It's hardly a "mhmm, I was kinda hungry and now aren't" thing but life being pretty sucky for months and being extremely sucky for a few days.

  51. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I could never forgive a woman for killing my baby. That is sick and evil. If she’s even considering abortion I’m abandoning her.

  52. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    In this case, unless there are uncommon health risks possible, the woman should still give birth and give the man sole custody afterwards.
    9 months is nothing compared to 18 years and still, both parties will be happy they dodged a bullet.
    The man is happy to have a child and that he no longer has to live with a broad that defies his wished and personality, and the woman is happy she’s still responsibility free and can be trashy for many years to come with no man nor child to tie her down.
    If they are also married during this time, a divorce where the husband isn’t liable to pay anything is in order, as he is the one who will be taking care of the child.
    Of course, medical bills resulting from the pregnancy will be the man’s to pay, until birth happens.
    This is as close to a win win as it can get.
    >inb4 tHe WomAn haS to caRry it fOr 9 monTHs stilL, whiCH sHe maY not WanT
    And what? The man doesn’t even get a say in the life of a child that is just as much HIS as it is hers? I thought you women wanted equality… That goes both ways you know.
    And again, 9 months is nothing compared to 18 years.
    I’d say it’s pretty fair this way.

  53. 1 month ago
    Women should be afraid

    Easy. Break up with her immediately. There would be a moral incompatibility between us and I'd never feel the same way towards her for even considering abortion as an option.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Women should go to jail for even saying they want an abortion. Keep her locked in a cell until she gives birth, then keep her in jail for 6 additional months for making death threats against a child.

  54. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Just putting this out there:

    If he wants you to mother his child, it's because he loves you enough and thinks highly of you enough. He's going to take the rejection of his child as a rejection of him.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >He's going to take the rejection of his child as a rejection of him.
      However you want to phrase it, a couple that stays together after disagreeing on something as important as getting an abortion is in for a very short and/or miserable relationship.

  55. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Keep the child, it has a right to live. Also the man has the right to be a father for his child.
    If you keep the child, you will not regret the decision, especially when you see it grow up.
    Every life is precious without exception

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Every life is precious without exception
      Prove it.

  56. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    So speaking in biological Terms, the child starts being a human life at conception, since it is an unique living member of our species. It might be less advanced in its developmental stages, but it is not less of a human because of this. All distinction between human individual and the concept of personhood is therefore artificial. The child will with certainty progress in it's development to a form where you will be able to recognize it as a child, it's not just a abstract concept.
    You have to realize, that an abortion has the sole effect of killing the child. The way the fetus or embryo is removed from the womb is by first killing it through either cutting it up or poisoning it and then various tools are used to dismember it and remove it. This is the reality. There is no abortion that does not entail the termination of a human life.
    For the man, whos child got abortet, this is killing one of his close family members, its not just a 'missed opportunity' or an 'option', he will go through the grief of losing a child. Maybe he will guilt himself, why he wasn't able to do more. And for the woman, it is very likely that she might get in contact with young children and only then realize her mistake and feel remorse.
    I don't think financials should be prioritzed here. I think most parents don't feel 100% ready to get a child but will grow into the responsibilty naturally. Even if caring for the child is not an option due to the situation, giving it up for adoption or letting it stay with relatives is always an option.

  57. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Daily reminder:

    https://old.reddit.com/r/prochoice/comments/195hdrw/graphic_this_is_a_miscarriage_in_the_first_few/

    This is NOT a baby.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Should have stayed there and never come back

  58. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >What would you do in a pregnancy scenario where the woman wants an abortion but the man wants to keep the baby?
    Depends on the scenario.
    If they're not married, she's clearly a dumb bawd to be in the situation, but the guy is no better. So abortion it is.
    If they are married, then she should have a very good reason to abort. Birth defects or a medical risk to her. Possibly an abusive domestic life. But if she just went insane and decided to unilaterally kill her healthy child? Her husband is in the right. He should support his wife through whatever mental struggles she's going through, but that doesn't include allowing his kid to die for nothing.

  59. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    "If you kill my baby, I will kill you. End of story."

    Honestly, when we win, we need to have Nuremberg style trials for not just abortion "doctors" but every single politician that ever voted to fund Planned Parenthood. We need to deal with them the way the Allies dealt with the Nazis, as Abortion is an even worse holocaust than the one the Nazis did.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >muh Nazis bad
      You will never overthrow the current paradigm if you accept its founding mythology

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      So "pro-life" you'll kill someone, lovely.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Yup. I'm pro INNOCENT life. Guilty life deserves death.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          There is nothing wrong with removing a fetus from your womb.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Not that guy, but he doesn't have a very uncommon sentiment.
        https://faculty.uca.edu/rnovy/Mill--Speech%20in%20Favor%20of%20Capital%20Punishment.htm

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >"Much has been said of the sanctity of human life, and the absurdity of supposing that we can teach respect for life by ourselves destroying it. But I am surprised at the employment of this argument, for it is one which might be brought against any punishment whatever. It is not human life only, not human life as such, that ought to be sacred to us, but human feelings. The human capacity of suffering is what we should cause to be respected, not the mere capacity of existing. And we may imagine somebody asking how we can teach people not to inflict suffering by ourselves inflicting it? But to this I should answer--all of us would answer--that to deter by suffering from inflicting suffering is not only possible, but the very purpose of penal justice. Does fining a criminal show want of respect for property, or imprisoning him, for personal freedom? Just as unreasonable is it to think that to take the life of a man who has taken that of another is to show want of regard for human life. We show, on the contrary, most emphatically our regard for it, by the adoption of a rule that he who violates that right in another forfeits it for himself, and that while no other crime that he can commit deprives him of his right to live, this shall."

  60. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose it would depend on two things.
    >Do I want to keep the baby?
    >Do I want to keep the man?
    >If I throw both out, am I going to be able to satisfy myself what's left, all the way to my grave?

    Whatever you do, expecting him to stay with you after deciding his child doesn't deserve to be born is just cruel.

  61. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    People seem to have a lot of negative feelings about fathers ITT.

  62. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I would leave her. I don’t want the mother of my future children to have fertility issues or mental problems related to killing her own child. Female Blacks even abort their babies so much they often turn infertile. It‘s really just better to cut your losses and start fresh with a happy woman, who has no traumatic past.

    So if I was your boyfriend or whatever, I would just leave you, tell our friends and family that you decided to kill our own child, when I wanted to start a family, go to a prostitute and then find myself a new woman.

  63. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    The problem is rather simple in my mind but it's an idealization of what I think should happen.
    Base rules:
    They're both adults and able to take a decision regarding parenthood therefore not one nor the other has a right to change the other's mind nor a right to the other's financial aid should they have withdrawn their wish from parenthood.

    Scenario 1
    Man wants to keep, woman wants to keep.
    Resolution: All fine.

    Scenario 2
    Man wants to keep, woman wants to abort.
    Resolution: By the order of life impact, the woman as the sole right of decision on the matter.
    Alternative: They resolve a financial price on which the woman can agree to continue with the pregnancy but give the right of parenthood for the child, no child support from the parent who didn't want the child.. She doesn't have to become a parent, has taken an educated decision regarding her risks of continuing the pregnancy for an financial exchange.

    Scenario 3
    Man wants to abort, woman wants to keep.
    Resolution: Woman gets to keep the baby and get by with the pregnancy, man gives up the right of parenthood for the child, no child support from the parent who didn't want the child.

    Scenario 4
    Man wants to abort, woman wants to abort.
    Resolution: Either abortion or punishment for the immaturity of bringing life upon this world with neither of the parties willing to take responsibility for their actions.

    Women get to have the final decision for the pregnancy going forward or not because it poses direct risks to the carrier.
    Child Support is now a choice, not a punishment.
    Women have the responsibility to be more prudent regarding sexual protection and during mate selection as pregnancy poses and has always posed health risks upon her, not the man.

    Yes, intercourse is an activity taken by two people, but the risks are greater on one of the parties than the other therefore should demand more responsibility from the one having all the risks.

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