Why do girls give so much shit about rizz and pickup lines?

Isn't it just cringe and pointless?
Anyone can rizz, ugly dudes with great social skills can rizz and get a girl's heart, so why do they put so much emphasis on rizz when rizz is just some fake first impression shits that doesn't last and doesn't mean jack shit in the long term of a relationship? It doesn't determine anything about a man, maybe confidence? idk...

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  1. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    same thing with being charming, it's just some fake shit that doesn't really show the real you, but girls fall for charming guys all the time, it's kinda dumb.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      It shows social competence which an inept person can't fake. Women only really care about things that can be measured against other guys at least terms of selection

  2. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    I suppose it is because it overcomes their first line of defence., which is to ignore you. Thinking about what matters , as you would have it, is harder mental work.

  3. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    Idk man, this is how they are. People will actually legitimize their filtering by saying it's a skill issue when it mainly trends toward narcissism and the disingenuous

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >it's a skill issue when it mainly trends toward narcissism and the disingenuous
      Those are the same thing, yes

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        My point being it's heralded as something valuable as you can see in this thread when it really isn't an indicator of anything as OP was pointing out. I get that it's the same thing with men that big breasts and ass have no bearing on character but I don't think anyone ever had the delusion that it did.

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Bullshit. It's an important determinant. Please see

          >> It doesn't determine anything about a man
          >> with great social skills

          That's what it determines. That's the minimum standard.

          >> with great social skills

          Because social skills inform about

          • level of agreeableness
          • level of social conformity
          • mental state
          • popularity
          • earnings potential
          • social status
          • temperament
          • empathy
          • ability to negotiate / compromise

          All of these traits need to be in the positive to have great social skills.

          Autists will never understand the ways of people, because autists are not people. Stop trying to fit in.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            It's not but we can agree to disagree. You're not talking to a bitter incel but someone who's actually had multiple relationships and does well with women in person. The pickup line and rizz stuff is cringe and gives you very little of substance about a person, but people can't control their feelings and what appeals to them so it's somewhat a moot point.

  4. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    You've just got to learn to play the game.

  5. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >> It doesn't determine anything about a man
    >> with great social skills

    That's what it determines. That's the minimum standard.

    >> with great social skills

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Why does social skills matter?
      Why does one's ability to talk matter?
      Isn't it actions that matters?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Is this shadow-boxing guy? What do you think "actions" means in civilized society if it doesn't include ability to talk?

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Because social skills inform about

        • level of agreeableness
        • level of social conformity
        • mental state
        • popularity
        • earnings potential
        • social status
        • temperament
        • empathy
        • ability to negotiate / compromise

        All of these traits need to be in the positive to have great social skills.

  6. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    They demonstrate that you're satisfied and confident, which is in turn a market that you can solve your own life and sort out your own business without being a burden to those close to you.
    It's indirect, but it's a way of advertising your mental health and social worthiness.

  7. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    filters the tism and loser qualities pretty effectively. At its core - it's a test of quick wit , social understanding, and communication and dudes who are conventionally more attractive and have positive upbringings are usually more talkative to begin with so it sets the bar that you aren't a societal reject.

    Also how a mid-5 dude can land a cute gf , if you are a good communicator - people listen.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      Pretty much this. I'm a failed almost normie. I get too hyper aware and i can't socialize well with new people, especially girls. I've got a lot of anxiety. I can if i'm not sober or i know the people well, but when it's a girl i could date i frick up. It's like some barrier i can't quite cross fully. I'm stuck in a gray zone between being a complete reject and normal. More towards the normal end. I do better when i'm forced to react to chaos, not these intricate first world social environments. Fake stress is my kryptonite. It sucks.

  8. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    because it indicates you are personable and actually try to make someone feel special. sorry bro women dont want losers who lack any positive personality and just work, play games, and MAYBE go to the gym.

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      >positive personality
      You’re telling me guys whose entire “personality” is based on fishing, football and beer is better than the guy who works and games?
      It’s about height/looks, not any of this personality crap. Start looksmaxxing stat and then think about “rizz”

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        you're lost in the weeds. good luck.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        literally this, I've never had any "charisma" or "rizz" but after looksmaxxing I don't even need to approach girls as they approach me by themselves, I just need to not interrupt them or maybe ask for their number but that's all

        that's the thing I hate about this society, I've been lied that my personality matters but right now even the people who were feeding me these lies treat me better like my parents

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          Are you able to go into detail about what you experienced?

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            No because it's the same guy and he made it up

  9. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    >fake first impression shits that doesn't last and doesn't mean jack shit in the long term of a relationship?
    If that's what you think it is then that's why you're fricked. For me it's not fake. It's an open display of who I am as a person. Doesn't go away.

    If it's fake for you, then that's why it doesn't mean shit coming from you.

    Besides, it's well past the time you learned that it's not what you know, but who you know. Sucks to suck, git gud

    • 2 months ago
      Anonymous

      This reads like over compensation.

      • 2 months ago
        Anonymous

        Why, because I'm arrogant? That's how I am. This is how I see the world. I actually studied the stuff and this is my conclusion

        • 2 months ago
          Anonymous

          I could be completely off the mark regarding you but in my experience people who truly have a solid sense of themselves don't need to tear others down.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            In my experience on this site, a certain amount of sharpness is required to get through to someone. The ego needs to be penetrated to induce change. So I apologize for my lack of manners.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Ah if that's what you were doing then maybe I was wrong.

          • 2 months ago
            Anonymous

            Well in your defense I was being a dickhead. But once again, that's how I've learned to interact here. For whatever reason, the autists that lurk here tend to have oversized egos, perhaps some sort of survival mechanism. Or perhaps a form of heightened development, like how a blind man develops sensitive tactile and auditory senses.

            When I rightsized my own ego, the largest change was an accessing of my emotions and a communion with my soul. Rizz I believe can be described as a flourish of emotion, the human version of a flash of peawiener feathers. But like any good actor, the act is only bought if it's genuine. You can always tell good acting from bad, because good acting, the act may be false, but the emotion behind that acting is genuine. Kind of like when RDJ has a scene where he's dealing with daddy issues; it's acting, but it's almost like he's venting something that needed to get out. Rizz is the ability to express who you are. Maybe some girls will buy a bad act, but the key to learning it is knowing it's an expression of what's lurking underneath; a communication directly from your soul.

            At least that's my understanding of it. Been doing karaoke currently to expand on it, can work a crowd now. Learned that it's not really about the notes, but the energy you bring, and communicating the soul of that song.

            Been dumping all my lvls on my charisma stat, has been quite the learning experience

  10. 2 months ago
    Anonymous

    you dont get women not because you "dont have rizz". you dont get women because you do goofy brainless shit like save thumbnails and come to advice boards and just complain, not even ask for advice

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