why do guys struggle with treating women like normal people so much?

99% of the time it's either they incessantly shit on them for virtually no reason, feign shallow friendship for sexual favors or put them on a gigantic pedestal and treat them like deities.

why is it so difficult for guys to just act normal around women and not see every one as a romantic/sexual opportunity or blight upon the earth?

>inb4 bioessentialist rhetoric and whataboutism

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  1. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you lie about what you want and make men jump through hoops to try for an unrealistic chance of having sex with you when really you would only have sex with a man if he is good looking, rich, or tall

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      They don't lie, men are just socially moronic and would prefer not admitting to themselves that they are buttfrick ugly

  2. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Guys have a switch in their brain that makes them go derp around women. Also, who are the normal people you speak of? Gay guys?

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      most of my male friends are pretty normal around women

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If guys are around them a lot, they become desensitized and effeminate but it still happens

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          ?
          explainorate

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Guys just create a sort of persona to be around them and adapt to functioning with a handicap.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        If you're a foid, how would you know?

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          im not, I'm a troony, born male

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Passable? I'd assume it works the same. My friend became a troony but I just saw a dude there still

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            all im saying is my male friends act pretty normally around women, i'd be able to tell considering they're lifelong friends and i've been socialized male.

  3. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Just give us the sexnfirst, then we decide if we should keep going and become friends, then eventual LTR and ultimately marriage and children.

  4. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because I have met women before in the past
    pattern recognition

  5. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Long term social isolation leads to moronic emotional intelligence. This means most anons are unable to understand or empathize with the lives of people that are different to them. The sexual barrier is the one we encounter most often, so women are the biggest "other". This is why you should encourage your kids to socialize more

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      that... makes a ton of sense. all the more reason to only buy flip-phones for my future kids

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >based on this, I want to make sure my kids are as socially isolated as possible
        Amazing

  6. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    women deny us sex while giving it to criminals, rapists, and scumbags

  7. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Porn has warped the minds of too many men, they only see the pussy but forget that there is a whole complex person with a conscience and problems around it just like themselves.
    It's tiresome, I know. They will never listen to reason in these situations. According to them if you treat women as humans and not something to stick your dick into, you must be gay. It's preposterous really.
    T: a normal straight moid who doesn't watch porn

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      no, extreme feminism has warped the minds of too many women. men see women for who they are. it's the men that women tend to choose that don't give a frick about these things. they feel resentment for all men because of the men they choose, and extreme feminism offers a scapegoat in the form of "all men". we're not individuals to you. we are all individual representations of patriarchy, violence, misogyny, etc to you. we only stopped giving a frick about the fact that you're human after 2016. no one gives a frick about the problems of women anymore because they have no fricking problems other than sexual violence but they fricked that up too with metoo and the hyperfetishization of being a victim. and yet all men are to blame for that too. you cannot win with women, so many men stopped trying. and what's funny is that the men who stop trying do better with women, which perpetuates the cycle. it's hopeless. i need an ai wife that i can be sweet and loving with.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Flip the genders and you just described the incel mindset

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          it does not work backwards because men haven't been elevated over the past few decades like women have. if anything, men have been demoralized.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Incel (noun) someone who, in-spite of all work and effort on their part fails to be attractive to the opposite sex and never has been attractive to the opposite sex; and because of this will never reproduce , find a mate , have sex etc.

          Incel isn't a mind set. Its a state of being.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Yes it's a biological fact. I think incredible psychological damage is being done to men when it is suggested that there is something wrong with their personality... when in reality its just their physical appearance that fails to generate attraction in the opposite sex

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            there's literally no point in responding to self-proclaimed incels, it's no different from trying to reason someone out of paranoid schizophrenia, they always just come up with new ands and buts to maintain the world they've created in their mind where they're doomed to hopeless loneliness. you people are genuinely just fundamentally broken and it is immensely draining for "normal" people trying to help because they don't have the skills to.

            good luck, man. i mean that seriously but you won't believe that.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Incels are just ugly. You can't help an incel because they are ugly. Hot moronic mass murderers get lajd all the time. You can't help a guy when he is ugly, it's a split second decision instinctive by women that they will never look at him like a sexual prospect no matter what. If you're attractive you can be a socially moronic serial killer and get laid regularly . You morons don't get that its all physical determinism

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            okay. whatever you wanna believe, your life, your grave.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You never want to put this to the test, you'll never go out with an incel and see how he does, you'll never invite him to hang out with your friends. You'll never reward him for meeting your expectations.

            You're fine with blaming him for everything while he goes out and proves every thing you ask of him.
            Don't you think this is unbalanced af. You should put some skin in the game before you go and dismiss peoples suffering as mental illness.

            Of course you don't need to so you don't care. Its your ego that keeps you thinking youre right in that situation nothing else. Otherwise you'd use the fact that you aren't an incel, that you have social circles and friends and women to show these incels whats what.

            Invite an incel to hang out, you won't. coward.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            When a girl brutally rejects him for saying "hi" he will blame the incel for being "awkward"

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >brutally
            >all girls are the same
            the incel is simply a permutation of the manchild wtf lmaoo

  8. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Maybe it comes from trauma? I recently have had a close friend treat me like shit because I wasn't acting like she thought a "grown man" should behave while always lamenting standards women are put up to. I cut contact and am trying to work on my own confidence despite that, but I can see how someone else might internalize something like this and hate women for it.

  9. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    You can treat them any way you want, the inly differentiating factor is whether you're hot or not lol, some sub 7 guys fall into the trap of thinking that if they treat women a certain way they will attract them not realizing that no guy that is actually attractive to women has to think about adjusting his behavior in any way lmao

  10. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    you do the same but on a subconscious level. if you find someone attractive, your body language becomes flirty and conversational topics naturally become more passionate. if you think someone is unattractive, there's nothing like that to be experienced. you treat them worse, blame us for the problems that men above us cause, and have a general hostility because you think we're into you. we both do it, except men have to actually deal with the consequences of that. we are fricking isolated, meanwhile you can find an infinite amount of friends and relationships easily. it's just that they're not good enough for you.
    >oh noo the people who i've treated like trash aren't being sweet to me and going out of their way to appease me anymore! FRICK MEN!
    i don't understand why you feel so entitled to attention and special treatment. it's disgusting.

  11. 2 weeks ago
    Sage

    This is a demoralization bait thread, written from the perspective of a judgemental feminist woman in order to anger the men that read it. Ignore this post.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >hm this person is speaking about a problem they don't like
      >i see myself in this problem
      >"demoralization thread, frick off."
      emotionally mature adults don't get "demoralized" like that.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        It is not because of the thread it self but because of the false answers meant to push a narrative.

        see

        They don't lie, men are just socially moronic and would prefer not admitting to themselves that they are buttfrick ugly

        Maybe it comes from trauma? I recently have had a close friend treat me like shit because I wasn't acting like she thought a "grown man" should behave while always lamenting standards women are put up to. I cut contact and am trying to work on my own confidence despite that, but I can see how someone else might internalize something like this and hate women for it.

        Porn has warped the minds of too many men, they only see the pussy but forget that there is a whole complex person with a conscience and problems around it just like themselves.
        It's tiresome, I know. They will never listen to reason in these situations. According to them if you treat women as humans and not something to stick your dick into, you must be gay. It's preposterous really.
        T: a normal straight moid who doesn't watch porn

        that... makes a ton of sense. all the more reason to only buy flip-phones for my future kids

        The other reason for it being a bait thread is because the answer is something obvious even to people outside of /NSFFW/ and its a problem that everyone here struggles with. Asking the question itself is to devalue the struggle of the incel all together.

  12. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    What value do women have besides their pussy though?

  13. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women have no souls, they are evil. They probably don't even have a working conscious.

    Reminder this man got divorced. Not even chads are good enough for women. I will never ever EVER trust a woman.

    They are subhuman.

    They have no honesty, They have no loyalty.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      He looks like a 6/10

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Bullshit

        Chris Pratt is easily 7/10 chad lite and multimillionaire with tons of money can buy whatever he wants. He's fit, full head of hair and rich.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Ah, been 4 months since I saw "women have no souls" anon, how's it going buddy?

  14. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I went to school for them, learned skills, studied pick up artists, read books, groomed myself, I am also taller than everyone I see, and have never been on a date. I am a 30 year old virgin and been rejected since I was 13.
    I have tried everything, cold approaching you name it.
    And the white women I am attracted to always go for a smelly short black guy.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You're ugly. Sorry (btw what women find ugly is not the same as what guys think is ugly)

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I've changed my personality over the years to being confident. these blacks don't even have the IQ to have a conversation with me. It's like I am in school with classmates a few grades below me.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          They're hot and you're not

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            so hot monkey

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Good chin and jaw. Full masculine lips. Good hairline. Decent eyes. Masculine nose. Good skin quality. Looks dangerous in an exciting way. Yeah this guy fricks.

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            looks like a Black

          • 2 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >that soi Black folk
            inb4 he hires either a White or Mexican bull to fertilize his White girlfriend's womb

  15. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >feign shallow friendship for sexual favors
    this doesn't happen you fricking moron
    relationships between the opposite gender are naturally sexual

  16. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    a black will impregnate and steal a pale white womans virginity and then punch her all over and leave her. and I'm the one that is not being good enough.

  17. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous
  18. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    i'd probably be normal if i got laid regularly but im a incel.

    I desperately want to know what pussy feels like, so im gonna stay like this till then.

  19. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I just treat women like I treat men minus the playful flirting and ribbing. Very rarely find a woman that's able to trade banter without getting unreasonably offended, so I just don't bother unless they start it.

  20. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I tried treating women exactly the same as men throughout my life, specifically because I don't like the idea of changing my behavior just because I find someone more attractive.

    Turns out that's a pretty bad strategy to ever get romantically involved with women. So I think men will go simp for women because it works.
    Women like most people like getting attention/special treatment and many men are desperate enough to throw themselves at women.

    The men that don't have any success end up becoming bitter and will shit on women.

    • 2 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      solution: stop viewing every woman as a romantic opportunity. stop putting so much value on romance. learn how to organically build close relationships with people.

      romantic relationships are a path towards having a friend you can feel close and comfortable with. that's something you're able to do with everyone.
      anyways i'll see myself out, im getting a bit too dismissive now.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        women only want to be friends with people they want to frick.

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          are all incels selectively literate?

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >just put all your effort into making my life worth living via validation and attention so i can go frick the men i actually care about!
        >what? that's wrong? erm stop being entitled to sex and stop seeing women as potential relationships!
        >what? you've tried getting to know women without having any interest in them and they still treat you like a worthless simp? and you've also had women feel as though you were only after sex with them if you do end up catching feelings? erm just self-improve!

        • 2 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Unironically the definition of feminism is to make men work while women do absolutely nothing and get benefits regardless.
          The c**ts ITT are literal feminists whose only interest is the benefit of their biological sex. Yet some anons here are doing their best to humanize these harlots, despite said prostitutes only seeing anons as a means to an end.

          Women get mad no matter what I do so now I just ignore them, which has the unfortunate effect of them annoying me more and getting mad, which further motivates me to ignore them. It's a feedback loop. I am cringe, but I am free.

          Based as frick, I kneel.

      • 2 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I didn't view women that way for most of my life. Only now that I'm getting old am I starting to think this way. Largely because my prior approach obviously didn't work. So I think your advice is pretty shit for the type of person that isn't super social like me.

        Also, I know how to build relationships with people, I have close friendships I also have female friends. But guess what, if you aren't naturally driven to be social but would like to date, you have to specifically look for ways to interact with women, and go out of your way to get into contact with them, usually by treating them differently and better than you would other random people.

  21. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because women do?
    They either treat you like a slave, a serial killer or some kind of sexless boyfriend.
    The only exception is when they want to frick you or if you are high status, in which case they worship you or start acting like children around you.

    Tbh, if there's not a chance of getting sex or meeting their single friends, I don't bother.
    Women are too boring, soulless and selfish. I rather hang out with the bros and have fun if sex it's out of the picture.

  22. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I'm guilty of this, idk how to make friends so I attempted to show interest in a female acquaintance by complimenting her and attempting to flirt. Little did I know that if you're not Chad this is a literal crime in women's eyes and im just sick as a dog for attempting to do that

  23. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women get mad no matter what I do so now I just ignore them, which has the unfortunate effect of them annoying me more and getting mad, which further motivates me to ignore them. It's a feedback loop. I am cringe, but I am free.

  24. 2 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because women have rights but act like animals. if you had to respect raccoons as pedestrians instead of turning them into a bloody pulp at 55mph in the middle of the night, the economy would collapse because work after sundown would have to stop or the company would face a lawsuit. if women didnt have rights they would be living in a romantic big city with a preppy dressed city boy, but instead there are Black folk in paris. OP will never be a woman btw, commit garage nap with car running

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