Why don't femanons just become dominant, and get a submissive bf?

Why don't femanons just become dominant, and get a submissive bf?

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  1. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want to be a femanon's free use slave so bad. I'd worship every part of her body and do whatever she wants. Her pleasure is all that matters. I'm just a dumb moid that doesn't deserve pleasure.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Can you give good massages?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I haven't tried before but I would learn for you. Where would you like to be massaged?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My big fat hairy man ass.

  2. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because guys who want someone like this is (understandably) wanting a girl who is young and hot. I am neither

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      How old are you, are you over 30

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am originally 30, yeah

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          I would happily take a 30 year old dom gf in a heartbear but I'm not attractive either so I guess we might both die alone, I'm sure you're nice though I hope you get a submissive boyfriend

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          There are probably as many people who want an older woman as there are people who want a younger woman, for what it's worth (I'm one of them)

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      If I were to be with a dominant woman, I'd want her to be older than me. Young femdom doesn't really make sense to me

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Describe the shape and smell of your pusspuss old flower

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I DEMAND a 30+ fembot dommy mommy gf. It is my GOD GIVEN RIGHT!

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      What do you mean by hot?
      Magazine cover girls look like they're full of plastic and are creepy as frick.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You do understand you being 30 only makes it better, right?

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      sa outside of my own insecurities about my age and appearance, I'm paranoid that he'd regret it and think I went too far even if he initially consented. then I lose my partner and could end up with assault charges or something.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I'm 23 and I find women in their late 20s and early 30s infinitely more desirable than girls my age or younger tbh

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I too cope that only older women show interest

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >implying older women show interest.
          Despite what copers will say, going for older women is hard mode.

  3. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    it's weird and gross and the men who are into this kinda stuff are all weird and gross

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Describe the shape and smell of your pusspuss grossed-out flower

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I assure you I am normal and gross.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's literally just her being on top of him is even that vanilla of dominating too much for you

  4. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Because I am into gentle femdom without a mommy kink. I could not view my boyfriend as being beneath me, but I also would want to take charge physically. I guess thats just being a top idk all the terms used now. Maybe thats only for gay men.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Why don't femanons just become dominant?
      >Because I am into gentle femdom
      ???

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Without a mommy kink dumbass. Most men into it have some sort of Freudian bull shit attached. I dont want to mother a grown ass man or call you a boy.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          When did OP mention mommy kinks?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          My girlfriend calls me a good boy and I call her a good girl also I don't know why you guys have to make everything weird

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      wtf is a mommy kink, i still don't get it. Whats the difference between a mommy gf and a normal gf? Please somepony explain to me.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        For me I just like saying mommy and being called good boy and stuff like that. I don't think it's that deep it's like sub girls who are into saying daddy

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Just a girl that's extra affectionate and possessive, in a more dominant way. Also initiates affection. Keyword "mommy" meaning authority figure-like and unconditionally loving. The fantasy is that mommies don't get the ick either and you can be a loser and she'll still be into you, sometimes even prefer it like that.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >somepony
        based.
        mommy kink is just someone who is more dominant and authoritative. basically femdom. but it can kinda just be used as a word that has no meaning or just describes an attractive girl. eg "mommy milkers"

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      okay, that may be what I'm looking for.
      I'm more of a switch, but I really like things to be mutual and I do not want to be treated like a boy.
      Would you want to talk more about it in private?

  5. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't like men that are submissive. They're supposed to be dominate. It is very unattractive fir men to be submissive.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Shut up roastie no one asked this is a femdom thread and safe space to discuss

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      So when gender roles apply to men women do a 180 on the subject, now they like them and think we should keep them instead of discarding them and telling the opposite gender to deal with it.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        She clearly wants to submit to a dominant man so she isn't saying that, moron

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I don't like women that won't cook and clean. They're supposed to cook and clean. It is very unattractive for women to dislike cooking and cleaning.
          Any man says that and the pinkhaired legbeards will be foaming at the mouth about muh gender roles

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >legbeards
            kys boomer

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I am talking for myself here but I want her to be able to be dominant and let me be dominant sometimes. That's what I am about.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It works if youre only submissive in the bedroom and not otherwise. My job requires that i stay locked in and demanding at work so its nice to come home and not have that with the lady i trust

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because truly submissive moids don't exist

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I've never heard this before, what do you mean by this? I think they definitely do exist but they're all just broken failed males

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        "submissive" on here usually just means they want a mommy sex doll who takes care of them and that they can mistreat, because they are spineless manchildren

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >"submissive" on here usually just means they want a mommy sex doll who takes care of them and that they can mistreat, because they are spineless manchildren
          That is the tradwife. The dom mommy would violate your anus to give you prostate orgasms. If you behave bad she would lock your clitty

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The dom mommy would violate your anus to give you prostate orgasms. If you behave bad she would lock your clitty
            I fricking hate your kind of homosexual.
            Between your degeneracy and the manchildren that plague these threads, it ends up ruining everything about them.
            it's always about
            >weeh I want mommy to peg me and rape me :3
            >I'm a b***h boy for mommy UwU
            >I want to wear chastity belts and be controlled. by an older woman.
            >I will wear dresses and be a good boy OwO
            >I want an older woman to make every decision in our lives and just be a frickdoll for mommy.
            You're useless and a loser. kys.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            you're even gayer than him. you can't even do your stupid homosexual fetish right.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >you're even gayer than him. you can't even do your stupid homosexual fetish right.
            It's not a fetish, it's a kink.
            And ofc I can't do it right, I'm not into it.
            that was my point, dumbass.
            that's not gfd, that's being a b***h boy.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            it's all the same. you're just as much of a dress wearing bbc worshiper as those guys, you're just repressive and hate that side of yourself, so you turn to half-measures that are even gayer than walking around with a chastity cage.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >it's all the same. you're just as much of a dress wearing bbc worshiper as those guys, you're just repressive and hate that side of yourself, so you turn to half-measures that are even gayer than walking around with a chastity cage
            not at all. You're fricking moronic. But I doubt I can change your mind, so stay mad.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I fricking hate your kind of homosexual.
            >Between your degeneracy and the manchildren that plague these threads, it ends up ruining everything about them.
            Ive just rambled a bit. I dont like the manchildren either that have never learned or dont wanna learn how to care for themself. They need mommy back as their caregiver to handle their life. Its only nice in the bedroom, outside of it the relation should be equal or it will break down after some time

            >The dom mommy would violate your anus to give you prostate orgasms. If you behave bad she would lock your clitty
            yes 🙂
            [...]
            gfd is trash
            [...]
            we are talking about femdom, bdsm, not "once in a while i want her to ride cowgirl"
            overgrown womanchildren who need their daddy to wipe their ass are garbage too, but that's not my problem to complain about because i don't date them

            >yes 🙂
            >gfd is trash
            why you don't like it? what do you like more instead anon? what gets you off?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >The dom mommy would violate your anus to give you prostate orgasms. If you behave bad she would lock your clitty
            yes 🙂

            >because they are spineless manchildren
            I am not gonna lie. You're gonna get a lot of hate for this.
            Yes, I do like to get baby'ed sometimes, which I think is normal.
            Despite enjoying gfd and stuff like that, I hate the /gfd/ threads in here, because it's just a bunch of whining by b***hy men who are submissive to make up for a lack of character, people who would want the girl to basically control every aspect of their lives. which is fricking cringe.
            Women do this very often too tho, many girls who basically look for their bf's to be their dads.

            gfd is trash

            A man wanting to just once in a while stop the stoic alpha male act and be dominated by his girl in the bedroom is le bad.

            But every woman wanting a daddy to take care of them and that they can mistreat because they're too pathetic, lazy, and entitled to do anything themselves is fine, empowering even

            we are talking about femdom, bdsm, not "once in a while i want her to ride cowgirl"
            overgrown womanchildren who need their daddy to wipe their ass are garbage too, but that's not my problem to complain about because i don't date them

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yes 🙂
            ok. you are one of the rare ones who actually want to peg. I'm not into that, but I do agree on the manchildren thing.
            I think you're evil and probably get off on humiliating your partner which is gross.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I'm not into that
            lol of course you're not
            >wanting to dominate in bed is le evil
            ok i am evil

            Yeah I don't doubt this, submissive men are no less likely to be shitty I guess. I used to have a girl who femdommed me over discord and I like to think I treated her well but I guess over discord is a lot easier than an actual real gf

            i have met a tiny handful of good qt submissive boys over disc who were fine, they were all bisexual or troony-adjacent thoughever (genuinely don't think straight men can be subs)
            i mean the ones who litter NSFFW with mommy gf fantasies, most of them are not submissive and are misusing these terms

            >I fricking hate your kind of homosexual.
            >Between your degeneracy and the manchildren that plague these threads, it ends up ruining everything about them.
            Ive just rambled a bit. I dont like the manchildren either that have never learned or dont wanna learn how to care for themself. They need mommy back as their caregiver to handle their life. Its only nice in the bedroom, outside of it the relation should be equal or it will break down after some time
            [...]
            >yes 🙂
            >gfd is trash
            why you don't like it? what do you like more instead anon? what gets you off?

            >what gets you off?
            pegging, bondage, anal toys, petplay, verbal degradation, spanking, crossdressing, body worship, orgasm denial

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i have met a tiny handful of good qt submissive boys over disc who were fine, they were all bisexual or troony-adjacent thoughever (genuinely don't think straight men can be subs)
            why do you think straight guys can't be subs? i may be more sensitive and emotional than the average guy, but i would never consider myself bi
            >pegging, bondage, anal toys, petplay, verbal degradation, spanking, crossdressing, body worship, orgasm denial
            now tell me you live in europe and you are kinda optional on the impact play and orgasm denial

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why do you think straight guys can't be subs?
            because i've never seen it lol
            i'm not in europe

            >most of them are not submissive and are misusing these terms
            You probably just have a very narrow view of what counts as "submissive". I know for a fact I have no interest in being dominant, but you'd probably say I don't count as submissive because I'm not particularly servile.

            >narrow view
            gatekeeping is good
            being "not dominant" is not being submissive

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >because i've never seen it lol
            hm interesting, i would consider myself straight and submissive. the only thing i have that would maybe count towards being bi is that i can tell which male faces and bodies actually appeal to women
            >i'm not in europe
            awww, sad. i liked your kinks though

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >most of them are not submissive and are misusing these terms
            You probably just have a very narrow view of what counts as "submissive". I know for a fact I have no interest in being dominant, but you'd probably say I don't count as submissive because I'm not particularly servile.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I don't count as submissive because I'm not particularly servile
            yes you're not submissive you just want to get off sexually and be a burden on a woman.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >why do you think straight guys can't be subs?
            because i've never seen it lol
            i'm not in europe
            [...]
            >narrow view
            gatekeeping is good
            being "not dominant" is not being submissive

            99% of submissive women are the same way and they get a pass.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            they're women, you're a man. that's just how it goes. become a troony and try to find a man or another troony i guess.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            already responded to this "argument"

            >The dom mommy would violate your anus to give you prostate orgasms. If you behave bad she would lock your clitty
            yes 🙂
            [...]
            gfd is trash
            [...]
            we are talking about femdom, bdsm, not "once in a while i want her to ride cowgirl"
            overgrown womanchildren who need their daddy to wipe their ass are garbage too, but that's not my problem to complain about because i don't date them

            if men want it to stop then they should stop enabling them
            i am not a submissive woman and i don't date submissive women, there is nothing for me to do about your issue

            >because i've never seen it lol
            hm interesting, i would consider myself straight and submissive. the only thing i have that would maybe count towards being bi is that i can tell which male faces and bodies actually appeal to women
            >i'm not in europe
            awww, sad. i liked your kinks though

            >i would consider myself straight and submissive
            well i will believe you then
            thanks :}

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            You are a submissive woman though, you just relabel it as femdom. You still expect your man to do all the work without complaint, so what are you really bringing to the table that a submissive woman isn't?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm so annoyed by the narrow minded women in this thread. They won't consider anything else and only want their specific unrealistic fantasy which is probably not even pleasurable for men. And a dom/sub dynamic is supposed to be mutually pleasurable.

            They are mad at men for having some desires while simultaneously feeling entitled to having their own desires be indulged.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >And a dom/sub dynamic is supposed to be mutually pleasurable.
            Some forget thats it's all a roleplay and straight want a tpe thing. Since one robot or fembot did this irl, they setup moronic fantasies

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >and straight want a tpe thing
            yes, roleplay seems boring and just kinda pointless

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >yes, roleplay seems boring and just kinda pointless
            that won't work for almost all relationships. it's too straining and the initial honeymoon wears off it will crumble apart. there is a reason while relationships are nowadays equal and not many want that 'trad' relationship. bdsm should be a roleplay in the bedroom where you can do weird things during the session but outside of it it's mostly a normal relationship. bdsm should not be a lifestyle

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >for almost all relationships
            well i'm different

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Hoe many long lasting tpe relationships did you have and if you had any why did you and your partner split up? E-relationships dont count

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >probably not even pleasurable for men
            all of the fetishes i listed were things that submissive men also found sexually pleasing
            including pegging, yes many men ENJOY having their prostates stimulated
            it's okay to be vanilla you know

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Pisses me off tbh like 90% of femdom stuff is actually about the male who is receiving pleasure tbh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            90% of maledom stuff is actually about the female who is receiving pleasure tbh

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            What the frick??? That's complete and utter bullshit. 90% of femdom is the man receiving NOTHING while the woman gets everything.

            And why isn't cowgirl more popular in femdom? How is the most natural and based way for a female to be dominant not taking the center show

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            How are the kinks she listed not pleasurable for men you homosexual, they weren't even extreme or actually painful. You're a disgrace to the femdom community

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >You're a disgrace to the femdom community
            LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
            >femdom community
            >community
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I'm talking about whoever is gatekeeping being submissive and assuming sub men are just manchildren that want a mommy to do everything for them

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >femdom community
            How would you put a tumblr girl, a rovot from NSFFW and someone from tiktok into one femdom community?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >femdom community?
            if you consider yourself part of a fetish "community" there's something wrong with you. Get a life. I say this a total fricking loser, making your fetish a core part of your identity is fricking hilarious.

            In other news, I wanna date a tumblr girl.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >I say this a total fricking loser, making your fetish a core part of your identity is fricking hilarious.
            Where did i write this, im the anon that said tpe relationships are stupid and bdsm should be purely for fun bedrooms sessions
            >spoiler
            They are qt but a dying breed

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Where did i write this, im the anon that said tpe relationships are stupid and bdsm should be purely for fun bedrooms sessions
            I am not making a jab at you, I was just commenting on the "femdom community" concept lol.
            Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.

            >They are qt but a dying breed
            true. Want me an ao3 gf.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >Sorry if I gave the wrong impression.
            Its ok anon, everyone who makes fetish their lifestyle is kinda stupid.
            >true. Want me an ao3 gf.
            I wish you the best for finding her, many tumblr girls have probably migrated to tiktok

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            i feel called out kek it feels like you watched me open ao3 just now

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i feel called out kek it feels like you watched me open ao3 just now
            lmfao
            just my type. I think it's cute.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            do you like twinks?
            >Verification not required.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >i have met a tiny handful of good qt submissive boys over disc who were fine, they were all bisexual or troony-adjacent thoughever (genuinely don't think straight men can be subs)
            >i mean the ones who litter NSFFW with mommy gf fantasies, most of them are not submissive and are misusing these terms
            Most doms I've met have expressed similar sentiments so I'm sure it's true. I'm pretty straight but I think all your kinks are cool and would like a girl who likes them. I miss my dom

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Most women are submissive and can't or won't change that, but more than that, domming requires more work and women have a huge dating pool of dominant men at their beck and call. So if you're submissive at all, why exert more effort for probably less reward? Sure, they could put in basically no effort like every "femdomme" on reddit and get a bf because all submissive men are desperate, but it wouldn't really work long term.
            Women who both like being dominant and are good at it are rare and usually weirdos.

            >most of them are not submissive and are misusing these terms
            It's genuinely very depressing to see people mix up "I am submissive" and "I want to experience human affection".

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >because they are spineless manchildren
          I am not gonna lie. You're gonna get a lot of hate for this.
          Yes, I do like to get baby'ed sometimes, which I think is normal.
          Despite enjoying gfd and stuff like that, I hate the /gfd/ threads in here, because it's just a bunch of whining by b***hy men who are submissive to make up for a lack of character, people who would want the girl to basically control every aspect of their lives. which is fricking cringe.
          Women do this very often too tho, many girls who basically look for their bf's to be their dads.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          A man wanting to just once in a while stop the stoic alpha male act and be dominated by his girl in the bedroom is le bad.

          But every woman wanting a daddy to take care of them and that they can mistreat because they're too pathetic, lazy, and entitled to do anything themselves is fine, empowering even

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            yes, 100%. life isn't fair, get over it and stop whining

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            >
            >yes, 100%. life isn't fair, get over it and stop whining. trans rights btw

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Yeah I don't doubt this, submissive men are no less likely to be shitty I guess. I used to have a girl who femdommed me over discord and I like to think I treated her well but I guess over discord is a lot easier than an actual real gf

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      More men are submissive than women are dominant.

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        they're not actually submissive though they're just fricked in the head and want a woman to fulfill their fantasies

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Does that also apply to gay bottoms?

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >wiener cage
    Are any straight men actually into this? I would love to lock a guy up and use a vibrator on him, but I thought only gay guys were into that

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >Are any straight men actually into this? I would love to lock a guy up and use a vibrator on him, but I thought only gay guys were into that
      Only as foreplay and maybe for teasing. I don't like the whole denial aspect of either having to wear it for a prolonged time or at the end of a session just being told, you don't get to cum lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        But getting to cum while a vibe is put on it or while some anal is involved sounds hot

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      I would happily agree to the wiener cage but anything involving my butt freaks me out and I don't like it but for the right woman I would let her do that

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I am not necessarily into butt stuff specifically, but I am obsessed with the idea of making my partner experience as much pleasure as possible. That is the only reason I want to try it. I understand if a guy does not want to let me root around in there, but I feel like he would be missing out in a way

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      It's not something I'm into at 1st glance.
      I am open minded. I would consider doing something like this ONLY for someone I really trust and have been with for a while.
      But from my experience in these threads, yes many guys want this, but they usually also want to be beaten and cucked.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Need a gf to explore kinks like this with and do whatever she wants

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I want a dominant Chad bf thats why

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      holy frick this is probably the worst bait I've ever seen. Congratulations.

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I don't think there are many people out there, even on this board, who fit into the whole dominance submission concept. Most guys who claim to be into femdom are just looking for a girl who'll take an active part in sex and romance.

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    After post nut clarity most men will live. As a sexual stuff it can appear hot before the nut, but then you are ashamed of being the sub of the relationship, and you instinctively know you have to be in charge as a man, to simply make your live livable. Living as a couple is not only about sex. Men into femdom think about sex, not about the couple or love. Because women cannot dominate in life, so femdom is just sexual fantasy that brings confusion to the rest.

  11. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    weird sex is my entire personality i'm so cool and interesting

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      That's not very cool or interesting, I'd keep that to myself if I was you.

  12. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I wouldn't know, but that's like telling me to become dominant (or more submissive ig) and get a suitable gf. Sure, let me just change my tastes.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah as a switch/sub guy I don't really enjoy submitting to women who aren't naturally dominant in some way. They get bored of it really fast and just want me to take control again.
      But actual dominant women are a treat for sure. I think it's what I'll need to settle down.

  13. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Women are too stupid to be dominant. They need a man to do that. They want to be subs.

  14. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    the more I think about it the more I just want to be a woman with female privileges, like I want to be pretty or cute, why does my worth have to be defined by how useful I am to society?

  15. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    because women don't want submissive guys, that's a meme

    young women want masculine dominant guys their own age to have sex, and masculine dominant older guys to marry. There are statistics about it, you can look it up, but simply understanding biological instincts and mate selection would be enough to see this. Reading Freud wouldn't hurt either.

    Older women want less masculine men, but they still expect these men to protect and provide for them, and not the other way around. The less feminine men are just "safer" and will ask for less from them, so of course women past the wall would seek these guys.

    Exceptions? Yes, there are some. These would be the traumatized women who see young boys (before or during puberty) as non-threatening potential mates. These women are usually teachers or caretakers.

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