Why is there so little love for medieval Europe

>Constantly portrayed as dirty, ugly, smelly
>Constantly portrayed as being full of toil and depression, despite having more free time outside of sowing and harvest seasons
>Mocked and derided at every turn as barbarous and grimy
>Political and warrior elite constantly mocked and made fun of despite being a stable political system since the neolithic
>Architecture seen as poorly crafted/shoddy, especially for the average man, despite being quite advanced and traditional at the same time.
>No one knows any of the wests traditional martial arts despite it being relatively well known recently
I do not get it. People will salivate over the far East, and despite running on similar or even in some cases worse systems/technology, it gets a constant pass. I don't get it.

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  1. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Can't have people questioning modern society where you eat, breathe, and sleep xenoestrogens while slaving away for Mr Goldberg so your government can spend your taxes on the ethnic replacement of your race.
    You will praise the plastic simulacrum and you will like it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think thats part of it, but the genuine outright hatred of European history is present on both the left and the right. Anything outside of Rome or Greek history for classical studies is looked at with absolute disdain and refusal to learn. It's like an allergic reaction. I don't get it.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I think thats part of it, but the genuine outright hatred of European history is present on both the left and the right. Anything outside of Rome or Greek history for classical studies is looked at with absolute disdain and refusal to learn. It's like an allergic reaction. I don't get it.

      Not really. After the migration period things were genuinely better off for most plebs as attested to by studying their remains, with the Germanic overlords often being better at governing than the previous decadent Roman rulers. Shit, the Anglo-Saxons in particular were genuinely good stewards with a society that had tons of upward mobility and had many lords, keeping local interests at the front. After the Norman invasion, the number of Earls and local land owning nobility dropped significantly.

      Tolkien had access to information nobody else even knew about.
      There are evil spiritual forces behind ~~*ind*strialization*~~, far worse than just greed. The lebensreform movement were the last group to genuinely oppose nightmare world kali yuga

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Its not that nuanced, its the idea that man is an animal and that we are possessed by an idea that we are greater than everything else in nature and therefore God

  2. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Because it was genuinely worse than the era before it (classical) and the era after (renaissance/enlightenment)

    You’re not some towering intellectual for saying otherwise.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Not really. After the migration period things were genuinely better off for most plebs as attested to by studying their remains, with the Germanic overlords often being better at governing than the previous decadent Roman rulers. Shit, the Anglo-Saxons in particular were genuinely good stewards with a society that had tons of upward mobility and had many lords, keeping local interests at the front. After the Norman invasion, the number of Earls and local land owning nobility dropped significantly.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >the Anglo-Saxons in particular were genuinely good stewards with a society that had tons of upward mobility and had many lords, keeping local interests at the front. After the Norman invasion, the number of Earls and local land owning nobility dropped significantly.
        This is just the Norman Yoke myth. England didn't change much before and after the Norman conquest aside from the hazing of the North. And there wasnt much social mobility either.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          Anglo Saxon England saw a massive reduction of lords ruling over the land after the Norman invasion and was IIRC cut in half. Social mobility was also hampered, as before hand one could essentially rise to the rank of thegn provided you had the assets to get to that position.

          • 1 month ago
            Anonymous

            >Anglo Saxon England saw a massive reduction of lords ruling over the land after the Norman invasion
            That likely has more to do with so many lords being killed or stripped of their title right in the conquest itself and the rebellion that followed. Given the Kings after needed more men to fight for them, and all the sons borne, the number rose again

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Renaissance occurred during the Middle Ages
      >Carolingian Renaissance
      >12th Century Northern European Renaissance
      >Italian Renaissance (13th Century onwards)
      And I haven't even touched anywhere outside of Christian Europe

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Skeletons of the antiquity, middle ages, and early modern periods suggest that the medieval times were in fact the healthiest for the average person.

  3. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Ages:_An_Age_of_Light

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I have seen a few BBC documentaries that do the medieval period justice, and even a few games, but most of the time popular media depicts it as drab, ugly and gross.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        Films show how something feels, not how they really were. For example, if you want a gritty cynical series like Game of Thrones or The Witcher, you're not going to have a cozy cottage like in pic related as a scene

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Films show how something feels, not how they really were
          You can still do this without denigrating and misrepresenting the people you are making a film about. The new show "Shogun" kind of does this with Japan, yet still somehow manages to shit all over the English and Portuguese

          >Anglo Saxon England saw a massive reduction of lords ruling over the land after the Norman invasion
          That likely has more to do with so many lords being killed or stripped of their title right in the conquest itself and the rebellion that followed. Given the Kings after needed more men to fight for them, and all the sons borne, the number rose again

          IIRC most fled to Byzantium. A few did get SOME of their land back but majority of the land was stuffed under a handful of nobles and high borne people in the lords retinue.

  4. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    There are plenty of video games set in the medieval era.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      And most of them are kind of ass. I can name 4 that get the medieval period(s) right with some sense of realism. Most are awful.

      >despite being a stable political system
      lmao

      Feudalism, as seen in northern Europe, has existed at least since the Neolithic and is still present today in some form. Its the longest running political system in history. Shit, the accompanying material culture, political organization and military culture didn't really change that much either up until WW1.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      I'm playing medieval dynasty right now. Not a Black person in sight, it's wonderful.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        I forgot about that game tbqh.

  5. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >despite being a stable political system
    lmao

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Stable in comparison to systems that came after it for sure.

  6. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    holy suffering this is still one of the best games ever made

  7. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    breath of fresh air op post

    i too have always thought ofthe medieval as bad

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Thank you anon. I used to think the same thing but that was due to my only exposure of it being from Hollywood and public schools. Learning by myself increased my enjoyment of the period(s) by orders of magnitude.

      >Why is there so little love for medieval Europe
      this has never been true, and i'm not reading the rest of your post based on this bad axiom

      It is true though. While it does see some love in foreign media like anime or manga, its seen as quite drab and ugly in domestic media and never ever represented well. Shit, the only games that come to mind that really represent our people and history well all come from Europe, not America.

  8. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Why is there so little love for medieval Europe
    this has never been true, and i'm not reading the rest of your post based on this bad axiom

  9. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    breath of fresh air op post

    i too have always thought ofthe medieval as bad

  10. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Constantly portrayed as dirty, ugly, smelly
    Kinda was bro, Lysol wasn't invented yet. To say nothing of indoor plumbing...

    >Constantly portrayed as being full of toil and depression, despite having more free time outside of sowing and harvest seasons
    You may have spent less time at your occupation if you were a peasant farmer, but chances are everyone else in town was a peasant farmer too. You'd also have to make your own clothes, fix your own house, take care of your animals, etc.

    >Mocked and derided at every turn as barbarous and grimy
    Ever wonder what it was like to eat pussy before disposable razors and Vagisil were invented?

    >Political and warrior elite constantly mocked and made fun of despite being a stable political system since the neolithic
    Mostly because they married their cousins and shit.

    >Architecture seen as poorly crafted/shoddy, especially for the average man, despite being quite advanced and traditional at the same time.
    If you were average, it really wasn't too great unless you happened to be really gifted at construction.

    >No one knows any of the wests traditional martial arts despite it being relatively well known recently
    Like what, boxing?

    >I do not get it. People will salivate over the far East, and despite running on similar or even in some cases worse systems/technology, it gets a constant pass. I don't get it.
    They're bugmen, it's what they're accustomed to.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      >Kinda was bro, Lysol wasn't invented yet. To say nothing of indoor plumbing...
      They were quite clean and industrious. Households had to be clean to prevent disease and bad smells, and soap was made frequently from tallow. Bathing wasn't done frequently, but they did wash themselves everyday.

      >make your own clothes
      Which were made of linen and wool and often lasted a lifetime. Natural fibers are more resistant to wear and tear as compared to synthetics.
      >fix your own house,
      Most houses were wattle and daub. Fixes were fairly easy and things were less likely to go catastrophically wrong due to their construction methods. The only time consuming thing was replacing a thatched roof, which was a poor person thing. The wealthy and middle class used shakes (wooden shingles).
      > take care of your animals
      Provided nothing went catastrophically wrong you were basically doing household chores that lasted a few minutes at best.
      >Ever wonder what it was like to eat pussy before disposable razors and Vagisil were invented?
      So no actual retort.
      >Mostly because they married their cousins and shit.
      That was common for most of the world, throughout most of history and incestious relationships were less common in Europe than MENA and far east asian countries.
      >Like what, boxing?
      Boxing, wrestling, various styles of fencing as shown in HEMA, and traditional folk styles of fighting like Glima. There are literal manuscripts for stuff like this.

      • 1 month ago
        Anonymous

        >Households had to be clean to prevent disease and bad smells, and soap was made frequently from tallow
        Most people's houses had dirt floors, homie. As in the floors were made of dirt. Yeah soap was a thing but it didn't hold a candle to modern antibacterial soap. Speaking of candles, that's what most tallow was used for, you were lucky if you had enough left over for soap.

        >Which were made of linen and wool and often lasted a lifetime.
        Stopped reading right there, holy crap dude lay off the angel dust.

        • 1 month ago
          Anonymous

          >Most people's houses had dirt floors, homie
          Depends on what time period and where but the dirt floors generally fell out of fashion after the migration period was over. They basically made a concrete plaster for their floors by mixing clay, limestone and spoiled milk. Other times they took field stones, laid them into the ground and placed boards over them to keep them from rotting.
          >Stopped reading right there, holy crap dude lay off the angel dust.
          In comparison to modern clothing using synthetic materials or a mixture of synthetic and natural materials, they basically do. Your basic T-shirt doesn't hold a candle to a linen undershirt with a woolen overshirt in terms of durability.

  11. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    Post those cool verses about impermanence of all things in life by Marie de France. I know you keep them handy, pol.

  12. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    >Constantly portrayed as dirty, ugly, smelly
    Major cities probably were, but probably not any worse than they were during the industrial revolution or in modern ghettos.
    >Political and warrior elite constantly mocked and made fun of despite being a stable political system since the neolithic
    Chivalry especially. There was much more to it than "milady" fedora tipping. Weebs will go googoo-eyed for the Samurai and the Bushido code but turn their noses up at medieval chivalry.
    >Architecture seen as poorly crafted/shoddy, especially for the average man, despite being quite advanced and traditional at the same time.
    Maybe uneducated morons think this, but anyone who's ever seen a castle knows the architecture from that era is awe-inspiring.
    >No one knows any of the wests traditional martial arts despite it being relatively well known recently
    Western boxing and wrestling are still very popular. HEMA went away thanks to the adoption of firearms and the west has by far the most well-developed gunfighting techniques.

    • 1 month ago
      Anonymous

      Long ago the country bore the country-town and nourished it with her best blood. Now the giant city sucks the country dry, insatiably and incessantly demanding and devouring fresh streams of men, till it wearies and dies in the midst of an almost uninhabited waste of country.

  13. 1 month ago
    Anonymous

    I think it has more to do with the centrality of the Roman Empire in the conceptualization of western/european history from the enlightenment onwards. With our telling of history we cannot have strong monarchies and feudalism held up as a center point of our cultural heritage. It just doesn’t make for a good lineal progression telling of who we are and how we got to where we’re at. It’s better to frame the medieval period as the dark ages that we recovered from to once again have democracies and republics. I think the sophistication of the castles and cathedrals has been criminally undersold as a result

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