>women want marriage but not sex. >men want sex but not marriage

>women want marriage but not sex
>men want sex but not marriage
>they make a deal, man will give marriage if woman gives sex
>they get married, women eventually stop giving sex but man is expected to keep giving marriage

dont hit me with any of the technicality shit, you know what im talking about. why do women do this? what am i missing? If im not sexually satisfied, why is not okay for me to just move out for a week and do my own thing? I'm not saying I'd frick other people btw, I'm just saying she doesn't get to have the daily relationship she wants if I don't get to have the weekly sex i want, this just seems fair

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  1. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >women don't want sex

    LOL they do ANYTHING for sex even destroying their own families for it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not op but it's more nuances than that. Both men and women want sexual diversity. Men have an innate desire to spread their seed to attractive females while females subconsciously want a man of the highest genetic quality to impregnate them. This is what leads to cheating - the thrill of sex after being with just one person for years eventually fades

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Doesn't seem like the thrill of marriage fades much for women tho since they still want the relationship and everything that comes with it except they end up getting bored with sex? so my point still stands that if a girl doesn't want to give sex, the man shouldn't have to give the relationship

        i get this will just piss of the woman and make divorce more likely so isn't smart, i just don't think it's right, and if the case is the woman doesn't want the relationship either and is fine with being separated then divorce is completely justified, neither party likes each other

        But in most irl cases I've seen the woman still wants the man's social or fiscal resources even if she doesn't want to be around him or frick him, so it seems kinda unfair

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Is it hopium if women who are married or dating another guy want to go out with me? Just met one for lunch and now she wants to go for dinner. I assumed she is single but she told me she has a boyfriend. Are these women lonely?

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And I mean hopium in the sense that I would want a relationship, but somehow I end up getting on dates with women who then tell they are taken. I don't know if its a good or a bad thing this keeps happening to me. I find it frustrating and don't get the agenda.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Fairly strange, needs more context. Are these colleagues? Women married with kids? College aged girls in a ~3 month relationship? Don't try to stick your dick in immoral crazy regardless.
            >I assumed she is single but she told me she has a boyfriend.
            some people (men and women) do a thing during relationships where they seem to be permanently nurturing slightly inappropriately intimate friendships with the opposite sex so that when shit gets hard in their actual relationship they just jump ship and commence things with their "friend" within a few weeks. basically, maintaining optionality, not actually intending to leave or to cheat at any given moment, just quietly (and probably unconsciously) putting themselves in a situation where leaving/cheating are both easy things to do.
            this is basically why it's considered by default to be pretty bad form to go have solo dinner dates with the opposite sex, nurture close one-on-one friendships, etc (this is just a loose norm rather than a rule though, and different people do have different views on it, but most girls i've dated and gotten along with independently viewed this the same way).
            anyway, maybe they are lonely and want to cheat or even ditch their partner for you (avoid! avoid!), more likely they are preserving optionality, which to me is also quite offputting behaviour. also i guess they could be just wanting an ego boost from you treating them to a date but i do think that's less common.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          And I mean hopium in the sense that I would want a relationship, but somehow I end up getting on dates with women who then tell they are taken. I don't know if its a good or a bad thing this keeps happening to me. I find it frustrating and don't get the agenda.

          also, the fact you had lunch with a woman and at the end of it she suggested meeting for dinner = you were bearable enough to have lunch with that you don't need to think about this in terms of agendas or hopium etc. Clearly at least one woman out there enjoyed having lunch with you, you will inevitably find yourself in a situation where you are having more lunches with more women who have fewer existing partners and they too will be open to having dinner, it's basically just a matter of time if you put in some effort. gl anon

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Thanks. The girl I met today seems to be about optionality; we are both from the same country but study abroad. And now that you said it, she did ask about my plans to return home eventually (I do and have binding plans). In another context bit later, she did remark her boyfriend not liking our home country. The guy works in another city nearby. Not sure how justified it is to have a dealbreaker like this, and I feel like probing this preference is me adding kerosine to their situation. But yeah, seems like shes entertaining options for long term.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Not op but it's more nuances than that. Both men and women want sexual diversity. Men have an innate desire to spread their seed to attractive females while females subconsciously want a man of the highest genetic quality to impregnate them. This is what leads to cheating - the thrill of sex after being with just one person for years eventually fades

      reading incels talk about women is like listening to 3rd graders talk about politics

  2. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    just cheat on your wife. it’s not as bad as it sounds. and most cultures accept it. married women will do anything except frick to keep a relationship active. it’s totally backwards. they actually want you to get it somewhere else and just not know about it

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      not married, just thinking about the future

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        wow. so you have no fricking clue what you’re talking about. frick you

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          same shit applies to a 2
          + year relationship gay
          >inb4 the moralgays jump in saying all my problems are from not being married

          • 4 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            no it doesn’t you smooth brain dumbass. marriage and childbirth change women. being in a 2 year relationship? lmao. you are in for it big time. you’re probably just ugly and she wants nothing to do with you

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      >most cultures accept it
      the 2nd and 3rd world shit skin ones?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        you would be surprised the percentage of marriages that survive infidelity. it’s high around the world

  3. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    I’m a victim of this. Sure it fricking sucks sometimes but at the end of the day I love my wife and would never hold a grudge. What really blows is that I probably look the best I ever have so when we’re out I get attention pretty regulalry which just exacerbates the misery I feel from lack of sex. It doesn’t help that I banged a decent amount of bawds before I was with my wife. There just isn’t much I can do.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Im not calling you a simp because I get it, my dad was this way, but ig what you're willing to put up with depends on how much you love the person, and it's fine admitting that you're not willing to risk the relationship for other things like better sex; but I feel like all guys are pressured to be this way when maybe some don't love their girl enough to put up with low/no sex, and what's the answer here? Just keep breaking up till you find the one you love enough to be satisfied? Wouldn't it just be easier for everyone involved for the girl to put out a bit more?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        I love my wife but it’s really the respect I have for her. We’ve been through some bad times and she’s always stuck by me through it all. She’s an amazing loyal and chaste woman. I would never act on any urge for that. Also, the reason why we rarely have sex is because of kids. We barely have a second to ourselves when we’re together but giving birth also destroyed her libido. Giving birth affects women differently and reluctantly I got one of the cases where it destroyed her sex drive. Ultimately, I will just try to adapt to it because she is the greatest woman I ever met and would never want to break her heart.

        I have tried everything to get her to have sex more but nothing really works or it will for a short time. I joke around with her about me getting a side gf to dump loads into but she’s never receptive not that I expect her to be. If she was ok with it then maybe I would but I don’t see it as realistic so I don’t know how I would respond. I like having sex with her and am not interested in getting stds and potentially giving them to her.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          >I have tried everything to get her to have sex more but nothing really works or it will for a short time
          Has she tried everything as well? It does sound like given you've said there's been some minor success, she's at least on board with the fact that it's an issue and is trying as well, but you should definitely make it clear to her that long term for you it's a big deal and you'd appreciate her greatly if she were also proactive about eventually seeing what can be done; i'd phrase it like that with no time pressure, even blame it on young kids for now but mention that in the coming years they'll be at grandparents'/daycare/school more often etc and you want to make use of that opportunity. Also, dont rule out medical stuff, I have no kids but I had this incredibly depressing dead bedroom issue with an ex many years ago and it turned out the birth control she was on was just absolutely blasting her sex drive, she swapped from the main pill to those slow release rubber rings and it helped a lot and then on non-hormonal stuff it helped enormously. Post-childbirth obviously is more complicated but my point is it seemed hopeless for us and then a medication change fixed it like a magic bullet, w/o even a behaviour change or exercise or anything

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      god i would literally suck out and eat the turds from her ass

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        #metoo

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Ugly feet wouldn't bang

  4. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >tfw I frick my wife on a near nightly basis
    sux4yall

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      You just got lucky man. Guys who win gloat about it all the time when 99% of men deal with dead bedroom marriages. And don't pretend like you're turbochad, turbochad guys can end up in these situations, so again I ask, what is the move? Leave the relationship? Deal with it and be grateful for a lame relationship when being single might be preferable?

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        only about 12% of marriages are sexless (meaning no sex in the last 90 days) and they are primarily when the people are 50+ years old, ESPECIALLY when the woman is in perimenopause.
        About 30% of sexless marriages are because of the husband having the issue (no libido, dysfunction, whatever), BTW.

        • 3 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Do you consider sex once every 6 months to be sexless?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Not only would I but since it is LESS THAN once every 3 months it matches the definition in that post you are replying to

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            My second question is, do you really buy that statistic?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            Sure.
            I've been married a long time and have a lot of married friends.
            In my experience sexlessness tends to be transient for a lot of couples. Like my friends D & S. She had her sixth child and there were complications and she had a lot of kids; he was working extra hours to get ahead monetarily during the high earning season. They had sex just once in a year. Then she recovered, he dropped a lot of the extra work, their kids got older, it ended.
            My pal P finally admitted that he had not had sex for over 2 years and that it was because HE didn't want it. He thought it was trauma from an accident and the following very major surgery where he was bedridden for weeks and needed a cane to walk for months but after me and other guys demanded he talk to his doctor? Low T as a result of the major recovery he had been through and some psychological truama. 3 weeks of therapy and shots and BOOM! all better.
            When my wife entered primenopause she just *hurt*. Her breasts were as tender as in puberty, she had zero sex drive, and she was super-emotional. She knew what was going on and we maintained a much lowered sex life (once a month for 9 months) but friends of hers were more out there and spent a year or three effectively sexless. The perimenopause ends and it is back to feeling frisky again.
            And so on.

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            what did you do during the time you were only going once a month? pron and whacking off? or did you just deal with it?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I played more golf and did more hunting

  5. 4 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    >give sex
    This term is so cringe. Either the woman enjoys it or I don't want to have sex with her anyway.

    • 4 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Couldn't agree more, but my point is that if she doesn't want to have sex with me, I don't want to do whatever the equivalent is for her; girls know how to get guys interested in relationships, and that's a lot of good sex, but how do guys get girls interested in sex again when they're already giving them the relationship and all it's benefits?

      Like the anon above said you can get even more attractive and earn even more money and she can still not have a libido, so wtf does the man do other than leave the relationship (if it's worth it for him to)?

      • 4 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >how do guys get girls interested in sex again when they're already giving them the relationship and all it's benefits?
        Never let her feel like she has you locked down. I would prefer it if you didn't have to do that, but you do.

        • 4 weeks ago
          Anonymous

          Maybe I'm just less of a chad than I think bur this usually just seems to piss women off and make them less likely to have sex in my experience. But ig it's the best you can do, act like you have options all the time. If a guy promises to stay committed to a woman forever why tf can't women just promise to stay interested in sex forever?

          • 3 weeks ago
            Anonymous

            I think the problem is that people believe that relationships can make them happy. But the reality is much different. So if you stop with the false expectations then you're good.
            Pragmatically speaking I would probably just date women for a few years until it dries up and then replace them. Women don't owe you sex but you don't owe them a relationship either.

  6. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That’s what happens. You go fishing and she spends your money.

  7. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    That's a false premise. If it were true there would be no bawds, women wouldn't cheat at the same rate as men and men would be the leading iniates of divorce. But there are bawds, women do cheat and divorce is iniated far more frequently by women than men.

    Reality check, marriage is beneficial for both men and women so both sexes ultimately desire it.

  8. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    want marriage but not sex
    Which women? That isn't all women.
    >men want sex but not marriage
    Which men? Lots of men want marriage
    Your core premises are moronic

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Said no technicalities dumbass
      >hurr not every girl and guy is that way
      Most are, and if you're really about to argue that you're moronic

      only about 12% of marriages are sexless (meaning no sex in the last 90 days) and they are primarily when the people are 50+ years old, ESPECIALLY when the woman is in perimenopause.
      About 30% of sexless marriages are because of the husband having the issue (no libido, dysfunction, whatever), BTW.

      Most men would like sex a couple times a week at least, not once every six months, and women can want sex even more often, like daily if it's the beginning of the relationship, so they can want sex just as much as men

      Honestly I'd be fine with sex once a month if she'd give head twice a week for 5 minutes but even that is like pulling teeth for some reason, but God forbid she doesn't get my attention/time/resources every evening and weekend otherwise she'll think I'm pulling away from her

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Sure, I am wrong about everything buuuuuuuut
        FTFY
        lol

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        >Most men would like sex a couple times a week at least, not once every six months
        No shit, REALLY?!?!?!NO FRICKING WAY!

      • 3 weeks ago
        Anonymous

        Do just that. Pull away from her. Don't give her your attention for free. She'll quickly start to compensate with throwing herself at you pussy first. This shit isn't that hard, she just thinks that you're not going anywhere, and as a result she now believes that your needs don't matter.

        DENY HER NEEDS, make her earn them back by meeting yours. Then explain to her that's the bare minimum. If she can't accommodate, then tell her you want to open the relationship for yourself and not her. If she protests that (she'll probably use her "libido being low" as an excuse for why she won't have sex to your needs) and says "well I want it to be open for me too" you just respond with "I already knew you wanted to frick other people, your lack of enthusiasm around here let me figure that out in the first few days, I just wanted to see how much you'd be willing to sabotage this relationship"
        Finish it up with "either we start having sex like a bunch of teenagers, or you're going to start paying half like the roommate you are"

        Feel free to change up whatever you like,

  9. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    Op just frame the relationship like this

    >the moment I'm denied sex from you, is the day I show you the door.

    Or you can just casually talk about how insatiable an ex you dated was, and how she'd constantly be pulling your pants down to swallow a load or for a quickie.
    >women hate competition from your past, and their ego will force them to be the best sex you've ever had (in both quality and quantity)

    Remember, women will often times use sex as a weapon against men, they cannot comprehend that men can do the same, but more effectually. If she's acting up, just roll over and go to sleep, when you get an actual apology for their poor behavior, then you let them have your load.

    Remember you're the prize, women often times do not bring anything to the table but more bills. If they're stingy with the sex, it's because they're using you anon. Just give that one the boot and replace them

  10. 3 weeks ago
    Anonymous

    For the sake of argument, and actually answering your question on what to do.

    Marry someone who is equal to you. I did.

    We are in the same types of career fields
    We both work full time
    We both like having sex
    The list goes on, and on

    The point is that then as a man you’re not getting burned. If you do the whole “I’m just with her, because I think she’s hot, and want sex right now.” thing then you aren’t making a very good trade in that relationship; or at very least, don’t fricking marry her.

    • 3 weeks ago
      Anonymous

      Yeah bro just find a unicorn that matches you exactly, it's that easy

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