>Dude, like women actually want you to ask them out bro
New psyop just dropped. I wonder why they would start promoting this idea, probably because all the financial reward money from winning MeToo lawsuits has dried up.
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>talking to someone, the prime requisite for forging any form of relationship is a psyop
I know this is the internet but sometimes I just want to slap people until they stop talking stupid.
>Uh, stupid chudcel who has no chance with me isn't buying drinks anymore, time to change tactics
Kys
For once in your life shut the frick up and go outside.
>For once in your life shut the frick up and go outside.
>JUST TOUCH LE GRASS DUDE
Please, enough with the gaslighting.
It's gaslamping actually.
Does it matter?
Nice reverse psychology, bro. Women definitely want to be approached by 5/10 males.
It's an important distinction to make. Plus, just because you don't find it important doesn't mean it isn't. Kind of like going outside and talking to people.
Wow, very snippy and creative. You're so based.
Lol, exactly.
Thank you for the compliment. You can be witty and creative too, anon. You just have to sharpen your skills by going outside and talking to people.
I guffawed
Dont approach women, dont entertain women, politely reject women, completely ignore women. This is what life is all about. It is thoroughly enjoyable. There is so much joy in life when you learn to simply stop playing womens games.
>Dude, like women actually want you to ask them out bro
If you are attractive enough*
Women do want to be asked out, just not by any guy who isnt a 6 foot 5 model
>t. 5/10 guy who chases Stacy and blames his lack of success on women
You're a failure.
I dont chase women at all there is no point
you even said it yourself, why should a 5/10 chase women?
>who chases Stacy
I'm not willing to date any girl who weighs more than the average weight of college-aged white women in 1960.
If all of those women are now "Stacy", that just means I have to double down on my hatred and contempt for fat people.
Stacy isn't real. All women have high standards so it hitting it off with a fat 4/10 girl is just as hard as getting a 9/10 blonde bimbo "stacy"
>New psyop just dropped.
This psyop is undoubtedly older than you are, OP
have a nice day at the nearest Costco
The psyop of helping the incel to overcome his fears
Me? Help?
WHO decided I needed help HUH?
YOU don't seem to understand how this works BUDDY.
I am PERFECTLY content the way I am now.
WOMEN should want ME.
WOMEN should approach ME.
WOMEN are only there to appease ME.
NOT the other way around.
EVERYTHING is OUT of MY control and I am NOT to blame.
Next time you post, put in a bit more thought.
Don't think: "How would I feel?"
Do think: "How would HE feel?"
Don't bother coming back to this thread otherwise.
>we hate you but we are trying to help you!
that's because chads have stopped dry-approaching as well
This is what I'm thinking too.
Wow, another snippy and creative retort. The gem that keeps on giving.
That one wasn't meant to be snippy, that was genuine advice. When you want to build strength you lift heavy objects. When you want to build endurance you do cardio. When you want to get better at math you study. Is socialization not a skill that can be improved on? I'll answer that for you, it is. I don't mean in the "cold approach" sense, I mean in the sense of learning how to hold a conversation about yourself and your interests with other people. If you're poisoned to the point of finding no use in even attempting to forge the most bare bones relationships then don't bother responding, keep self-soothing with the help of people who want to keep you and themselves miserable.
Being able to make small talk or friends is a different skillset from attracting women
No it really isn't. The only difference is that your intentions are different and you make that clear very early on after getting to know a woman you want to attract. You don't treat a woman you want to be with as a friend unless you want her to think of you as a friend.
Until you're either medically braindead or born a truly revolting freak there is "hope" for you. Not that you would hear that from inside an echo chamber which is why I implore you to get some sunlight and interact with people not addicted to the internet and their own misery.
>Until you're either medically braindead or born a truly revolting freak there is "hope" for you. Not that you would hear that from inside an echo chamber which is why I implore you to get some sunlight and interact with people not addicted to the internet and their own misery.
The Sexual Marketplace is harsh, you can look at peoples' experiences here and determine that the only rational move is acceptance.
What experiences, anon? Reddit posts? Screenshots from Bumble? When I say 'people addicted to the internet' I don't just mean NSFFW posters. Take some time to consider that instead of trying to make excuses as to why you won't do the simple task of going outside.
>calls himself a 'masking normalgay'
>believes in the blackpill
>guys it's totally so over and i haven't just put up barriers to shield myself from rejection
How many women have you asked out recently?
>What experiences, anon? Reddit posts? Screenshots from Bumble? When I say 'people addicted to the internet' I don't just mean NSFFW posters. Take some time to consider that instead of trying to make excuses as to why you won't do the simple task of going outside.
>Those experiences aren't valid BECAUSE I SAID SO
Ok bud.
>Those experiences are valid BECAUSE I SAID SO
Goes both ways. To elaborate I don't find online postings indicative of real life, no. Too many porn addicts on reddit that get off on creating a fake story to jerk off to, dating apps are a horrible platform to meet people first and a scam second. You're entitled to keep clinging to whatever shred of an excuse you want to not go outside but I'm no longer interested in shedding light on the obvious.
Tell me how that went, anon.
70% of the time i did small talk first, 30% i just cold-approched
once i tried a pick-up line just for the funsies
And what was the worst rejection you faced? Be completely honest.
i never suffered a "worst rejection" all they did was say "sorry but i'm not interested" and i'd say "don't worry it's cool" and leave
i only stopped approaching women because i'd much rather spend my time at a pub talking shit with my friends
So what you're saying is after approaching (presumably) more than a couple dozen random women they didn't laugh at you? They didn't spit on you or mock you? They gracefully rejected you and you took it on the chin? I know it's a little hypocritical to rely on online postings for an example but that's about what I expected. You don't sound "blackpilled" to me, you sound normal. Cut your grand return to NSFFW short and keep hanging out with your buddies, you'll have a much better time.
i wasn't offended from getting rejected or anything bro
That's what I said. You took it on the chin. You didn't throw a hissy fit or get demoralized, you simply moved on like a guy should. That was praise, anon.
i'm ESL sorry
It's no problem. Misunderstandings happen.
Experiencing rejection is how you learn to get over yourself. Rejection is a normal part of life, not simply something you're faced with in relationships.
You can learn to take rejections without subjecting yourself to a humiliation ritual that is guaranteed to have a hundred percent failure rate.
High IQ poster
>Just go outside and talk to people bro
GO where exactly? Talk to whom? unless you live on a college campus there will be little to no young people your age about
and even if you do find someone, should you just walk up to some random stranger in the supermarket and try to talk to them? Thats not how you make friends Dumbass
>High IQ poster
Thanks
Applying to a job and getting interviewed is the same process but with like no risk and greater reward.
Oh yes, he's so high IQ that he couldn't come up with a single idea to better himself without going outside and facing adversity. You're very high IQ too by asking me a question and then propping up some strawman to attack like that makes you correct. Let me tell you exactly where I've gone out, spoken to women and had decent success. Bars, parks, libraries, concerts, hobby clubs (which usually were at the library). I'm sure if you live in a city with more than 30,000 people in it you'll have social events either in your area or not far away. Quit trying to shift responsibility away from yourself and onto people you haven't even met. If you want to get a girlfriend, you need to make yourself available to women. End of story.
>Oh yes, he's so high IQ that he couldn't come up with a single idea to better himself without going outside and facing adversity.
I literally did here
>Applying to a job and getting interviewed is the same process but with like no risk and greater reward.
you moron, but I'm sure that you skipped it on purpose.
I finished my post nine seconds after you did you disingenuous shmuck. For two hours you didn't say jack shit. You are a pathetic defeatist that gets off on feeling bad for himself and encouraging others to do the same. To engage with the last shred of good faith I have for you, a job interview is nothing like asking a woman out except for the qualifiers of acceptance or rejection nor is it something you should be "practicing" with. You should have a job interview once every few years depending on your field. You should be asking women out you find interesting much more often than that until you find one to settle with.
>I finished my post nine seconds after you did you disingenuous shmuck. For two hours you didn't say jack shit.
Because I thought it was obvious that there are activities that create the same situations, but I'm sorry that I considered you mentally capable enough to think of ideas. If you need me to spoonfeed you, let me know and I can do that.
>You are a pathetic defeatist that gets off on feeling bad for himself and encouraging others to do the same. To engage with the last shred of good faith I have for you, a job interview is nothing like asking a woman out except for the qualifiers of acceptance or rejection nor is it something you should be "practicing" with. You should have a job interview once every few years depending on your field. You should be asking women out you find interesting much more often than that until you find one to settle with.
Job interviews are an excellent way of practicing rejection and the reward that comes with the risk that goes into doing job interviews is much greater than asking a woman out. Job interviews have the exact same dynamic as asking a woman out, except it is much more formal: you display your skills you have acquired to a potential employer, and they decide whether to create a mutually beneficial relationship. Asking women out is pointless because there are parameters that women want which you can't "learn" (genetics), while a job doesn't care how ugly or short you are, just that you can do the job properly.
>while a job doesn't care how ugly or short you are
it must be nice to live as a blind man
If you work in a real STEM or trades job, I guarantee that it doesn't matter.
>Bars, concerts, social events either in your area or not far away.
A bunch of drunk morons dancing to loud music at night in the dark? No thanks, not really the ideal friend making environment
>parks
No young people there, just oldgays and tourists
>libraries, hobby clubs
Don't have those here, unless you're in Uni which i'm not
> If you want to get a girlfriend, you need to make yourself available to women. End of story.
Im 5'6, covered in acne, socially awkward and ugly, making myself "available" to women wont do anything
I appreciate your "advice" boomer-kun, it may have worked 40 years ago when you were young but not anymore
I'm 25 years old and met plenty of people my age at every single one of those places.
>Drunk morons dancing to loud music?
You do know drinking holes can be quiet and relaxed, no? I didn't say a CLUB, I said a BAR. By the by that is a choice you're actively making to exclude a particular place. That's up to you but will limit your options.
>No young people there
Do you not see young women jogging in your area? Young dudes too.
>Don't have those here
What country do you live in? I'm speaking from the American perspective where libraries are very, very common.
>I'm 5'6, covered in acne, socially awkward and ugly
One of those is your height. One of those is genetic or tied to diet, in either case you can address it with skincare. Social awkwardness is learned behavior and can be corrected by.. being social. Like I said earlier, socialization is a SKILL that needs to be practiced. Ugliness is subjective. I won't patronize you by saying you're misjudging yourself but if you're going off your own opinion compared to what people post here you can say you find yourself ugly. That's it. Until women start calling YOU ugly you can't say they would find you as such. Making yourself available to women is the first step to getting a girlfriend. That hasn't changed and will continue to not change.
>Because I thought it was obvious
No, because you had nothing to say.
>Job interviews have the exact same dynamics
>Except it's much more formal
So you contradict yourself in the same sentence but expect me to take your defeatist argument seriously? I'm not and I won't, anon. Asking a woman out is play. Job interviews are work. If you want to stomp your feet and say it's pointless without ever trying I won't stop you, but I will mock you for making a baseless claim about something without verifying it firsthand.
>No, because you had nothing to say.
I did, you just never asked for it.
>So you contradict yourself in the same sentence but expect me to take your defeatist argument seriously?
>Asking a woman out is play. Job interviews are work.
It's the same thing, you're just too pig-headed to see it. It's a transaction. In both cases, you're trying to convince the other party that a relationship with you is beneficial for them. Asking women out/dates are just informal job interviews. It doesn't matter if you take them to a park or go to a party, you're still trying to prove yourself to her. The difference is, that there are people with attributes where it's pointless to even consider entering a relationship like this in the first place. Get off of your high horse.
>I did, you just never asked for it
>It's a transaction
From experience, no, it isn't. You seem to think asking a woman out means you're trying to engage in a long-term relationship at all times. It really isn't. Usually it's more along the lines of scoping someone out, introducing yourself and starting a conversation based on where you're at. Get her name. Make her laugh. Compliment what she's wearing. It's a pretty fluid process that ends up in either a kind rejection or some fun. After that you can either head back to wherever you came over from or seek something more if she strikes your fancy. I've seen dudes half a foot shorter than me have two or three women around him just listening to him talk. Your genetic defeatism only serves to cripple you. One final note and something you should consider for a moment; why are you - someone with presumably no experience in asking women out since it's so pointless - trying to lecture me on how asking a woman out REALLY is? I'm no slayer but I've had more than a few dates, flings, so on. You get nowhere if you don't try, as with anything.
>You seem to think asking a woman out means you're trying to engage in a long-term relationship at all times.
Not necessarily, but oftentimes. Even if it isn't a long-term relationship, you still have to have enough attractive things about yourself that she considers spending time with you worthwhile.
>I've seen dudes half a foot shorter than me have two or three women around him just listening to him talk.
Yeah, I've also seen Ranjeet from Punjab banging wienertail waitresses two at a time
>One final note and something you should consider for a moment; why are you - someone with presumably no experience in asking women out since it's so pointless - trying to lecture me on how asking a woman out REALLY is?
Simple logic. You don't have to experience something to know how it works.
>You have to have enough attractive things about yourself that she considers spending time with you worthwhile.
No, you really only have to intrigue her and offer a good time. Whether that's some casual conversation or something more depends on the woman. You're assuming women's standards without actually going out and being subject to them.
>I've also seen Ranjeet banging wienertail waitresses
Is it really so outlandish that a decent looking 5'4 guy could be having a pleasant conversation with some women at a bar? Granted that was just the one time but still.
>You don't have to experience something to know how it works.
Correction. You don't have to experience something to make assumptions as to how it works. Could you watch an instructional video on doing a backflip and do it your first try? No, you need the experience in how to hold your center of gravity and how much force to exert when jumping. I'm not going to get into the nitty gritty but that's a very common misconception for people in their teens and early 20s. Look up the Knowledge Experiment if you want something more in-depth but know for a fact that yes, you do need experience to properly build a foundation of knowledge. Especially when you're trying to tell me the reality I've experienced isn't actually true and that everyone should just give up because you have.
>No, you really only have to intrigue her and offer a good time. Whether that's some casual conversation or something more depends on the woman. You're assuming women's standards without actually going out and being subject to them.
You need to show beforehand that you're going to give her a """good time""" and that depends on factors like how you look.
>Is it really so outlandish that a decent looking 5'4 guy could be having a pleasant conversation with some women at a bar? Granted that was just the one time but still.
Having a conversation with some strangers isn't the same thing as asking someone out.
>You don't have to experience something to make assumptions as to how it works.
Einstein made a bunch of """assumptions""" that turned out to be true because he used logic and reasoning. Not saying I'm Einstein, but it's similar to that.
>and that depends on factors like how you look
Sure. I won't say physical attraction has nothing to do with getting a date, I'll just say that it contributes less than what you're asserting and can be mitigated in the right circumstances. Just like how in the right circumstances the 6'4 blond blue eyed white guy can snag a chick just by having a pulse.
>isn't the same as asking someone out
Did I say it was? They were clearly interested in what he had to say though I didn't pay too much attention to him. I'm sure with a few women around him he was putting the moves on at least one.
>Einstein made a bunch of assumptions
Einstein made some leaps of logic as a mathematician based on the published works of other luminaries of his time as well as the extensively documented mathematics of astronomy. I'm willing to put money on the notion that Einstein was eager to prove the theory of gravity acting as a lens due to the hubbub around Vulcan a few decades earlier. In any sense, he didn't singlehandedly prove anything through "facts and logic", he proved it by making an assumption AND THEN TRYING THAT ASSUMPTION. Meaning even he tried and directly experienced the fruits of his assumption firsthand. Case in point, you can't be sure until you try. So do so or quit acting like you know shit.
>assumptions
Novel testable predictions is what is used. An extrapolation is built off of pre-existing knowledge, and then something yet unknown (novel) is expected to be seen provided the extrapolation is true. If x is true then we expect to see y. You cant use things we already know, like the sun rising tomorrow for example, it has to be something new, because we could make up any hypothesis to explain existing data, but if you can predict the finding of new data then that lends credence to the hypothesis
>also
Your dismissal of points based solely on someone's presumed lack of experience is moronic, given it has no bearing on their point. But you guys have delved so far into semantics i suppose it doesnt matter at this point
Sure, in the context of scientific study and hypothesis. I'm talking about something simple. Going outside and talking to women or even people in general. Extrapolation is only differentiated from assumption on the completeness of the data in question, which means any conjecture on dating or women in general is going to be an assumption and not extrapolation. Hypotheses still need to be tested to be proven, ergo direct experience is required to verify something even if it completely checks out on paper. Which is my point.
>your dismissal on points solely on someone's presumed lack of experience is moronic
How does lack of experience asking women out while also making wide, sweeping generalizations on the actions/behaviors of women lack any bearing on their point? If you want to join in the discussion then you should probably read what we were talking about instead of jumping in to add something so inane.
Observation is only need, direct or indirect as both are forms of observation. Someone can form hypotheses on social matters and then observe other's behaviors and dealings to test that hypothesis. Psychologists and behavioral analysts typically observe others, not themselves. But if the hypothesis is formed with the desire for the self to have the expected result it would obviously be pertinent to test it with yourself
>sweeping generalizations and lack of experience lack any bearing on their point
The lack of experience directly has no bearing on their point, and the generalizations would have to be shown to be inaccurate in some manner. Thats not to say it being presented means it is some tacitly accepted thing specifically until its disproven, but simply saying its a generalization or they lack experience has no bearing on the point itself. For instance if i say
>men generally have a penis and balls
You can say there are men who were castrated or had no testicles at birth or something, but it still holds as general despite not being all encompassing, given the majority of men are born with penis and balls and have them through the entirety of their life, even with things such as testicular cancer or castration existing. If i were however to say
>men generally have a beard
You could show how this isnt a general rule given the endlessly shifting cultural view on beards and shaving, where men have typically had a beard as well as been clean shaven in varying amounts throughout history as well as today, and show rates of shaving vs growing. Simply asserting most men dont have beards based on one's own credulity or experience is equally as justified as the inverse though, putting us no further in regard to the point.
Janos deserved better.
>The lack of experience directly has no bearing on their point
It does when he tries to specifically tell me I am wrong when I go outside and do these things that should otherwise be "impossible." That men worse off than me do the same every day. That you should build experience to not take rejection so harshly. That you have to make yourself available to women in order to find and forge relationships with them. I notice you didn't address any of that in your post, instead hyperfocusing on one specific component of my statement and shitting out a few paragraphs about it. I'm not at all interested in debating semantics so I won't engage in that discussion. If you want to talk about what the topic of the thread is discussing I'd be happy to. Otherwise bug off or maybe we can chat about LoK instead.
Okay, how if you don't know any women at all?
How would you propose doing that, anon? Go into detail.
Good for that guy, I'm not asking out hundreds of women just to hear "not interested"
recently i only asked one, but before that i used to as 4~5 women a weekend
as someone who has been off of NSFFW for years now and only came back recently i can say this moronad is full os shit
yes, i have friends irl, i am well liked, i act like a regular person, i'm overrall a masking normalgay, and i can assure to my fellow autists here that the blackpill is real
For most people on here, there isn't any hope due to external factors (mainly genetics). It's why they're here in the first place.
Doomerism is honest
Something like that.
>I don't mean in the "cold approach" sense, I mean in the sense of learning how to hold a conversation about yourself and your interests with other people.
Not that anon, but I already know how to do that and it doesn't help with getting a gf one iota.
It certainly does if you stop treating her like a friend and start pursuing her as a romantic prospect. If you're attracted to a woman you need to let her know and getting social skills helps you in doing so.
It's this year's grooming scheme. It's been a while since they had an "incel" incident get in the news and need something to justify the funding and panic. The plan is to get some autistic moron to spam cold approaches PUA style with random women in the street and when it inevitably fails, manipulate the autist into doing something stupid.
>Like, just talk to women, they totally want you to!*
>*Chad and Chad lite only. 6'0 and above only.
anything that isnt mindless doomerism is a psyop huh
They want the ego inflation of male attention while still only getting with the men they would get with anyway
>31 posts
>not one image
You're all gays
It's not a psyop though. They really do want to be approached.
Women love attention. Is it really so hard for robots to figure this out?
For what purpose, to get their egos stroked when they reject the guy?
If you'll be nice to them, they'll reject you nicely.
(You) gain experience, she gains her sweet dose of attention, you both ultimately win and live happily ever after.
>(You) gain experience
Of being rejected? What's the point?
Only a cuck thinks you win, wasting attention like that
>implying anyone should care what women want
>implying women don't have the autonomy to approach who they like
>implying it's even worth it to approach a prostitute
>implying it's all in our mindset and that shit isn't absolutely fricked right now
>implying modern women aren't prostitutes
>implying we're unsuccessful financially by choice
>implying government and society don't absolutely steal every opportunity from us to give to the same women
>implying we should do anything that any cuck or glowBlack person says because it's in our best interest and not theirs
>implying even talking to these prostitutes will improve anything
Wow some people really are just moronic huh
Nah women should ask men out instead and pay all of their bills
This. Now women can select who they want without problems or harassment and men don't risk being seem as creep, and if don't get any can follow their lives without any moron delusions.
Love's in the air. I'm in my late 20s and I've always been happy alone, and now suddenly I'm lonely and want to find a girl. Trying to work up the courage to ask one out somehow. Hopefully it's true.
Men are making women uncomfortable by not approaching them. Please think of their egos and the children they are missing out on.
I never thought about how much I am hurting women by not letting them spit on me and degrade me for being a virgin.