"Dual-role transvestism" (Also another one, not relevant to this board)
Can someone translate? Seems to have to do with recurrent temporary feminine presentation in males, but what does it mean going forward?
>Ask your therapist dummy
He's out this week. Also, I would rather talk about my issues when I have sessions with him as opposed to endlessly digging into what the diagnoses mean.
That's just like agp basically
It means you don't have an innate feminine identity you just dress up every now and then
Btw psychology is complete bullshit and you're wasting your money
Cool, so I'm definitely not trans then?
Yeah, you have a self attraction, an erotic target location error. People here will tell you the solution is to troon, it is not. It is to jerk off not thinking about yourself like that.
I don't jerk off to myself like that. You are thinking of "fetishistic transvestism", which I was not diagnosed with. Dressing doesn't really do anything for me sexually.
wrong, apparently dual-role transvestism specifically excludes “fetishistic transvestism” as a diagnosis:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-role_transvestism
it’s also outdated so your therapist prolly doesn’t know what they’re about op. if you’re trying to figure out if you’re trans you should see a clinician who actually has experience with trans/gnc patients.
It's most likely just the closest thing that insurance would understand.
>You have to try to cultivate a female identity
How do you think I'm trans if I don't already have a female identity?
>If wearing women's clothes and living and performing as your idea of a woman,
Realistically speaking, I've only been scratching the surface here and exploring what I might like.
>How can you be trans
Being trans is just taking hrt and transitioning there's no like magic am i valid uwu quiz. That's why i said your psychologist is a waste of money. Just transition or dont
>your psychologist is a waste of money.
I think psychotherapy is quite valuable. Do you disagree?
Also, ICD-11 literally only diagnoses "gender incongruence yes/no? Age?"
As a psychology student and longtime therapy haver i wholeheartedly disagree. None of it means anything it only works on some kind of witch doctor magic level to simpletons who believe in their.mumbo jumbo
>It only works if you believe in it!
Put another way, as long as you believe in it, it works.
I mean if getting strung along by the whims of whatever some stranger with a degree thinks about your major life decisions is working then yeah i guess lol
What's it doing for you though? You ultimately need to decide if you're trans and wether to transition for yourself. You're just wasting time and money because you lack the agency to make your own decision, it sucks that you're this much of an npc but if that's how you wanna live your life go ahead
>I think psychotherapy is quite valuable. Do you disagree?
YOUR pschologist is a fricking moron. "Dual-role transvestitism" if just him jerking off his autistic brain trying to be smart. You're a troony b***h get used to it.
Dual-role transvestism is the formal diagnosis used by psychologists and physicians to describe people who wear clothes of the opposite sex to experience being the opposite sex temporarily, but don't have a sexual motive or want gender reassignment surgery. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD-10) list three diagnostic criteria for "Dual-role transvestism" (F64.1).[1][failed verification]
In other words trans women who aren't "AGP" and don't have genital dysphoria. This is some outdated bullshit term lmao
>Dual-role transvestism has been recommended for elimination from the International Statistical Classification of Diseases and Related Health Problems, 11th Revision (ICD-11), due to its lack of clinical relevance.[3] The ICD-11 for Mortality and Morbidity Statistics (Version: 04/2019) no longer categorises dual-role transvestism as a "mental disorder". The changes to the diagnostic manual will come into effect on 1 January 2022.
This is literally an outdated diagnosis, get a new therapist
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual-role_transvestism
I love how you're doing all this shit and wasting months and months on this instead of just admitting you're trans and taking HRT. You've been posting these threads for a year now. You're going to be so mad at yourself in another year.
>it’s also outdated so your therapist prolly doesn’t know what they’re about op. if you’re trying to figure out if you’re trans you should see a clinician who actually has experience with trans/gnc patients.
Is there a single therapist who is suited to actually dealing with these things? The average /tttt/ NSFFWner will unironically have far more expertise and could give a far more accurate and appropriate diagnosis + counseling + a medical regimen. That's how bad the profession is.
My therapist lists this as one of his specialties, so it's not like he's completely clueless.
>You're going to be so mad at yourself in another year.
Myself now tells a hypothetical transitioning future to go frick herself, I'll make my own decisions and not be tied down by potential futures.
The fact that you're already referring to your future self as "herself", hypothetical or otherwise, is very telling.
What else do you call a transitioning future self?
I'm pretty sure you are just looking for evidence that I'm trans so hard that you are creating it in your mind where there is none.
>You're going to be so mad at yourself in another year.
lmao this. i came to the realization i was trans when i was 17 and spent 2 years repressing, and 3 years "introspecting" to see if i was "truly trans" by going to multiple expensive therapists and online reseach that cost me so much money. this was the biggest regret in my entire life. i couldve been a midshit and transition at 17 but im now instead an oldshit who is transitioning at 22. i didnt care about which age i could transition because i thought the age i transitioned as didnt matter and the results would be the same any age(i know, moronic). i didnt know that age mattered when transitioning lmaooo. dont make the same mistake i made. take ur pills.
to put matters worse, i wouldve been a passoid at 17 easy. i got mistaken for a girl so much, i didnt think age would masculinize me at all even if i didnt take antiandrogens lmao.
Agp is trans as much as it pains me to say it. You have to try to cultivate a female identity and be mindful not to just be a perverted fetishist but you can be trans if you want just please don't be cringe.
I mean it depends on your goals and your definition of trans. Ultimately identity politics and tribalism and the machinations of the people around you have to be stripped away from your life, and your bare naked self has to really decide what YOU yourself want for YOUR future. If wearing women's clothes and living and performing as your idea of a woman, aging as a transgender, etc will improve your quality of life, for all intents and purposes you should have access to HRT or whatever would make your life happier and healthier, regardless of whether I think you're actually transgender or not.
In other words, I guess? That's your call. I'm not going to sit here and play this back and forth game where you scramble to think up every little moment in your life where you tell yourself you were a valid girl or w/e and revise every minute detail in order to appear more REAL. The only real thing here is: "will YOU (as in you right now, not anon but you wherever you are in the world) have a better life on HRT as whoever you want to be or not?" and I can't answer that for you, nor can anyone else, including therapists.
I hate agps with passion but they are trannies if they are also dysphoric. Do whatever you want though.
In a sane world, you would be gatekept for life. Sadly in that world youre hecking valid
Still no answer, why should I be gatekept for life?
You're are talking to burgers and leafs, who have a bunch of 90s/early 2000s psychologists living rent free in their head. Disregard anything they say.
North American manual is DSM, international is ICD. DSM is a battleground of shrinks trying to gain relevance with their pet theories and constantly changes. ICD is always outdated as frick and takes decades to change, but it doesn't matter because countries have national regulations for transitioning.
This anon
summed it up very good with
>there all just made up pseudonyms for homosexual who cares
Yes. Please do not transition, it would be very damaging to your trans sisters.
Hmmm, it sounds less convincing when you refer to them as my "sisters". Almost like you think I'm trans but bad optics.
You wouldn't do that, would you?
Literally this, i faked depression once and they prescribed me SRI after the first session lmao. Money making machine.
LOL THIS homie GOT A PROFESSIONAL DIAGNOSIS AS AN AGP LMAOOO NGMI HOLY SHIT
Girl? This thread again? How many times do we have to tell you that you are a troony? Why don't we review what the *previous* thread thought about you? We all know that you are the one who voted "cis" btw...
Oh and "dual-role transvestism" just means that you are engage in crossdressing but show no desire to get SRS. Doesn't mean much. (By the way, you'd pass with some minor FFS).
>How do you think I'm trans if I don't already have a female identity?
Constantly wanting to be a female IS a female identity
>Girl?
Boy
>This thread again?
This is a different thread because I had a diagnostic code I could look up.
>We all know that you are the one who voted "cis" btw...
If I had, wouldn't my opinion mean more than anyone else's?
>(By the way, you'd pass with some minor FFS).
>Female filter face still needs FFS
OK
>Constantly wanting to be a female IS a female identity
Nuh-uh
Am I agp if I don't jerk off to myself? Why do you hate agps so much? Over 90% of the board is agp.
>Boy
Really? How does it make you feel to call yourself a boy?
>If I had, wouldn't my opinion mean more than anyone else's?
No. In this case it would mean more if a bunch of other people agreed that you were cis. They didn't (they said the opposite).
>>(By the way, you'd pass with some minor FFS).
filter face still needs FFS
>OK
The female (fem1) filter doesn't change your face much. You wouldn't even need ffs to pass (I was picturing how a few minor alterations would make you look quite feminine). Estrogen will do even more than ffs, though (by changing fat distribution).
The diagnosis code in the DSM-5 for gender dysphoria adults maps to the ICD-10 code for dual-role transvestism. It’s fricked, but if this came out of a computer it has nothing to do with you. If this came from the therapist’s mouth, he probably doesn’t need to be seeing you again.
Out of a computer. It was on a billing statement for reimbursement from insurance.
So you are saying it means nothing and I got worked up over nothing?
Yes that means absolutely nothing. The people who make the codes up are idiots.
Cool, so I don't have any gender frickery at all, YAY ^_^
You’re still transgender
uh i think that’s the opposite of what that anon was saying it means
How do you get that from "means absolutely nothing"?
I am still cis
I am 30. It didn't occur to me that this might even be a consideration until last year.
> You can get hormones depending where you live with that diagnosis, but no surgeries.
I am pretty sure there is no world where I would get the surgery even if I did transition, because I at least know that what I have now works.
>I am pretty sure there is no world where I would get the surgery even if I did transition, because I at least know that what I have now works
Good for you tbh
It's an ancient meme diagnosis. It's a subset of Gender identity disorders(F64) like Transexualism (F64.0) and not paraphilias (F65) like transvestic fetishism (F65.1) which would be actually comparable to AGP, which is a North American meme that doesn't exist in international classifications. Dual-role transvestism (F64.1) and transvestic fetishism (F65.1) is exclusionary. It explicitly states that you're not doing it for the coom. You can get hormones depending where you live with that diagnosis, but no surgeries. You'd have to pick a gender for that, you dumb enby.
>Can someone translate?
Have you ever seek Rocky Horror Picture Show?
I haven't, why?
Hmmm, he's been careful not to try to make life decisions for me, mostly just suggesting things I could try that might be helpful in dealing with my issues.
I'm pretty sure this is just the closest thing that insurance would understand.
>In a sane world, you would be gatekept for life.
Why is that?
i got diagnosed as a "primary transexual" which is a diagnoses based of feminine behavior patterns in childhood. there all just made up pseudonyms for homosexual who cares
Yeah, I'm probably just overthinking some bullshit thrown together for the sake of insurance.
in every catogorical way i am an hsts, dare i say one of the only b***hes on this board other than ghoulchan who actually exhibits those characteristics. just trqnsition, it will make you happier who gives a frick if its a fetish. no one likes me and i only talk to my boyfriend and do my daily work. everyone hates everyone because everyone is sad. we all live in a pen and morals are the shepard.
Actually, the diagnosis specifically excludes it being a fetish
I was hoping a diagnosis would be helpful in determining what I should be doing.
>I was hoping a diagnosis would be helpful in determining what I should be doing.
Lol no. The long process of soul searching, introspection, thinking, talking is what does that. The diagnosis is for sending the bill to your insurance because you use a professional for that purpose.
Eh, I guess I'll just keep on then.
Every diagnosis for trans has been super vague because ultimately it's your decision how far you want to go. Some people are more happy being a girl in private others need to be in the open. Some can deal with body image issues and the compromises of transitioning better than others. There's no direct pathway what to do and what will make you happy.
Whatever, I guess that's what I'm in therapy for in the first place.
>goat advice
I didn't say I was gonna have the diagnosis as the end all be all, I just thought it might be helpful.
Like "Oh, I have this thing. I wonder what I should do about it. Should I do something about it at all?"
A useful tool is all.
how did you get to this point
I remember yo u saing after you emailed the
therapist all desire to troon dissapeared?
and what did you say to the therapist to get this diagnosis? how did you explain your agp or whatever
>yo u saing after you emailed the therapist all desire to troon dissapeared?
You'll have to point out the post where I said that if you want me to be able to respond properly.
>and what did you say to the therapist to get this diagnosis? how did you explain your agp or whatever
Very similar to what I was saying here.
He's seen me wearing nail polish, and we've talked about me getting feminine clothing (at his own suggestion), so that's probably where that specific flavor of diagnosis came from.
>Really? How does it make you feel to call yourself a boy?
It doesn't really feel like anything.
>No. In this case it would mean more if a bunch of other people agreed that you were cis. They didn't (they said the opposite).
>The opinion of the person themselves only matters in the case that it agrees with mine
>The female (fem1) filter doesn't change your face much. You wouldn't even need ffs to pass (I was picturing how a few minor alterations would make you look quite feminine). Estrogen will do even more than ffs, though (by changing fat distribution).
I'll take your word for it. Like I said before, I took great pains to make certain I didn't see it.
>You'll have to point out the post where I said that if you want me to be able to respond properly.
i might be mixing you up with another anon sorry
im mainly just curious how you were able to talk to a therapist and what you were able to talk about cos i emailed a therapist last month and have ignored the response ever since because i cant imagine talking about this stuff with anyone
Know what you want to talk about. Write a script of what you want to say if it helps. I didn't really do anything special otherwise.
You'll need to be able to get past your fear at least well enough to describe it if you want someone to help you.
Heck you could just tell them that you are scared to talk about it at all, and they might be able to help you take that first step.
just go. you've already told him, so you have no reason to deny it now.
idk when I went it was only after I realized this problem I've had since childhood needed to be dealth with. it was time to become a woman. I also wore a skirt.
if he thought you weren't trans he would've written OCD or anxiety or something (which you probably have too and in some ways it might make more sense to frame gender dysphoria as the anxiety etc. resulting from repression).
the specifics are what doesn't matter not the fact that you're transgender.
I've been diagnosed with every code from the ICD-9, ICD-10, DSM-IV, and DSM-5. they don't care. the ones that would care aren't good for you. they just click around until they find something that vaguely fits. sometimes they bother reading the insurance rules first but mostly not.
It sure would be nice if diagnoses actually meant something. Though I guess that's why the psychologist doesn't actually bring it up.
On the plus side, if the diagnosis means nothing, then there is no evidence of any uncisness.
Psychiatrh is the science of evil. Basically he's a guy who knows fricking nothing other than how to demean and disempower people. The goal of psychiatry is to frick with you and get you to sit on a coach and apologize for being such a loser. This diagnosis basically means he's saying he thinks your a gay and you should keep it to yourself because you are gross.
Have you ever seen psychiatry work? If you are neurotic it just makes you whine if you are psychotic it mentally castrates you with pills and incarcerates you. It's the police state that libs don't feel guilty about
>Basically he's a guy who knows fricking nothing other than how to demean and disempower people
Funny, this hasn't been my experience at all.
>he would've written OCD or anxiety or something (which you probably have too
Kek, you caught me. Anxiety disorder not otherwise specified.
the historical and current evils of psychiatry as a field do not necessarily apply to a given practitioner (though beware how formal training can shape their mind).
okay you have anxiety too that doesn't mean you're not transgender.
I don't believe anxiety impacts the question of transness, and he thinks I have some aspect of both, or why else would he give a diagnosis in that category?
it doesn't take very long listening to you to realize you're a very anxious person who is also trans. obviously he came to the same conclusion.
This is the first thread where anyone has called me out as anxious, I think.
yeah because this is NSFFW and we usually just shitpost rather than think up psychiatric diagnoses
Or maybe no one thought I had anxiety until recently?
you were (are) anxious about being trans so we discussed the transness.
Fair enough.
>This diagnosis basically means he's saying he thinks your a gay and you should keep it to yourself because you are gross.
Still think it's just the closest thing insurance would understand.
>altering sex characteristics isn't going to make you any happier.
Small correction here. I want to be a girl, to include those characteristics, even though I am cis.
>>I want to be a girl
meaning you don't already identify as a girl innately.
that's an admission that you want to be someone else, rather than yourself. meaning, you still identify as a male.
i stand by my previous statement
>altering sex characteristics isn't going to make you any happier
if anything it'll make things worse.
inb4 the backpeddling and groomers
Is this some sort of reverse psychology angle where you try to get me to defend the transness I insist I don't have?
I won't fall for... whatever this is.
:p I don't fault anyone who gets the surgery.
because you secretly want it even though you won't admit it. everyone who ever had it had something that worked before it's just not good for a penis to be attached to a girl.
>it's just not good for a penis to be attached to a girl.
>because you secretly want it
I really don't.
You're putting a whole lot of stock into the diagnosis when it's probably mostly for the sake of insurance.
ah, the classic agamp
dual role transvestites can sometimes benefit from transitioning, but overall that diagnosis is kinda dated. op says he does want to be a girl, the problem is he lacks the selfdetermination to fully identify as one. i dont think op is cis, but theres no way for us to make out if op is a fully binary trans woman. want my advice op? go into the hrt enby route. figure out how comfortable you are with your body and its changes and how a feminized body may make you feel. and when you are sure, start hormones. this is something only you can figure out, but in my opinion, you are somewhat dysphoric, and starting hormones as an enby sounds like a nice plan.