>what, you think a mass murder would lie?
If you think it’s in any way sincere and not coming from the same place of bigotry as the shooting you need to be sterilized for eugenic reasons.
>You think a man would lie about being trans just to gain an advantage?
>This right here is the problem with self-ID.
yeah it works as long as no one is malicious.
>honor system, bro
Telling women that they need to trust any schlong is who he says he is, is coming to bite you in the ass.
Also guarantee some brain-drained right-winger is gonna respond to this with >wow you’re misgendering them and not respecting their identity
Okay here’s the thing I don’t think we need some all encompassing perfect rule to determine who’s trans or not, we can just use a little bit of common sense. Like if someone claims they’re trans only after being arrested with literally 0 previous inclination they were trans we can conclude that no, they’re just faking it for whatever reason(lesser sentence, slandering the trans community, get into woman’s prison.) Trying to come up with some perfect method to determine who is and who isn’t “really” trans in every single situation is an exercise in futility and unnecessary. What I would like to say, although this is absolutely cruel and unusual punishment, is that every fricker who claims they’re trans after a crime to try and scrape some benefit from the identity should be forced to get SRS. I bet that would make all of them drop the ruse real fast.
This guy is going to spend his entire defense explaining how he discovered Jesus, or in this case, his gender identity while other mentally ill men fight amongst themselves over who is really trans or not. Then he'll be convicted of murder, but no hate crimes, and spend the rest of his life in solitary.
Having a functioning brain and not being a drooling moron.
Dog the shooter's motive hasn't been identified yet. They very well could have just shot up the club because of a bad breakup or something.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ok moron, and if it starts raining we won’t have confirmation of the cause until someone physically goes up in a plane to investigate.
1 year ago
Anonymous
0 IQ analogy. Rain is a repeatable process. Mass murder is not.
1 year ago
Anonymous
It is if you instigate multiple sleeper agents or leaded water victims
1 year ago
Anonymous
1 year ago
Ayden
>Rain is a repeatable process. Mass murder is not.
Repeat rain pls
You utter moron
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean scientists have created indoor environments that replicate a rain cycle, but you are just being a disingenuous c**t. You know that rain is a process which follows a clear, repeatable pattern, whereas mass murder is not. Mass murder is the result of a faulty individual, each one has unique reasons and motivations.
1 year ago
Ayden
>each one has a unique reason
That's why you can see the same issues pop up with every single one of them? >inb4 BUT NOT THIS EXACT SHOOTING
yes also not that exact rain
1 year ago
Anonymous
Tell that to Americans
1 year ago
Anonymous
I am an American. Mass murder is not a simple puzzle nor is it even REMOTELY as well understood as fricking rain.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Tell that to MKULTRA.
If I were an eccentric billionaire I would bet you nine hundred million dollars right now that if we agreed on a male target between 21-26 that had never worked I could get them to commit a mass causality event before 30 without so much as meeting them in person.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>the government is magic and all powerful >the government has had complete control of everyone this whole time
CIA posters are so funny.
1 year ago
Anonymous
You’re reading too much into it
I’m just saying it’s predictable and repeatable in theory, not orchestrated IRL.
1 year ago
P. Sevenleaf
>They very well could have just shot up the club because of a bad breakup
No enby has ever shot up a school or a church or a club because of a bad breakup lol that's something literally only cisgender men do, c'mon man you're being intellectually dishonest here. Good-faith self identification is a thing but we also have to recognize patterns. Spree shooters are men. Full stop.
And even if his motivation was something personal like a break-up, what does that change exactly? It's still an act of straight cis male violence, and it's an act that upholds straight cis male supremacy even if his motive wasn't explicitly "grr I hate gays".
1 year ago
Anonymous
>No enby has ever shot up a school or a church or a club because of a bad breakup lol that's something literally only cisgender men do
This is the dumbest fricking response yet >what does that change exactly?
It's the difference between a politically motivated hate crime and a personal vendetta out of control. They have very different legal and moral implications, although I believe they should be punished the same (execution).
>each one has a unique reason
That's why you can see the same issues pop up with every single one of them? >inb4 BUT NOT THIS EXACT SHOOTING
yes also not that exact rain
>That's why you can see the same issues pop up with every single one of them?
Nope! Sometimes there are common themes, but the only way you can claim they all have the "same issues" is to ignore the stories of the shooter entirely and just hamfist them into your own narrative about their motivations. >yes also not that exact rain
No, maybe this is the dumbest response yet.
You’re reading too much into it
I’m just saying it’s predictable and repeatable in theory, not orchestrated IRL.
>I’m just saying it’s predictable and repeatable in theory
Not to the same degree as rain my friend, which is why the original analogy ya'll keep defending was trash.
1 year ago
Anonymous
A shooting triggered by a bad break up is a politically motivated hate crime just like all domestic violence committed by cis men.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Hard agree.
Hate crimes based on sex are never prosecuted.
i literally predicted this, rightoids are the most NPC morons on this planet
Bullshit.
[...]
We know he’s lying
You know he’s lying
We know you know he’s lying
You know we know you know he’s lying
We know you know we know you know he’s lying
Shut
The
Frick
Up
You are arguing in bad faith since we both know he’s lying
[...]
True. Sue him for inciting violence after the next attack then.
[...]
Are you genuinely incapable of recognizing trolling. It's rightoid terrorist 101.
>he's not REALLY non-binary!
well duh, nobody is really non-binary because it doesn't exist. It's something mentally ill people call themselves because they believe they will get some benefit out of it, whether it's earning special snowflake points or gaining sympathy from a jury.
>as long as no one is malicious.
every knows malicious behavior exists, we don't live in fairy tale fantasy land, kid. what we need is an established order of trained professionals to identify everyone's gender.
do you not see the issue with this
you frickers seriously trust "professional" doctors with absolutely everything no questions because you're appeal to authority morons who think diagnosing people genders will totally work and totally won't turn into a form of conversion therapy
What problem? Some cowards having to literally live as the wrong genders like the people they hate because they want to save their asses just a bit more? He’s never getting out.
Unambiguously believing self-ID is going to let right-wingers off the hook in this instance, since by the left’s own standards this can’t be considered as the obvious hate crime that it is, and don’t act like the perp just changing pronouns to they/them will be in any way difficult for him.
It is though. To be forced to live as a different identity, using the wrong pronouns, that is a force worse than death. This is proof alone that the shooter is truly non-binary.
one of these days there's gonna be a mass shooter that used the fake ironic pronouns on twitter, and the media is going to take it completely seriously as proof they're trans
the unfortunate high suicide rate amongst the pronouns crowd suggests that a high homocide rate is also likely to exist. misery loves company. pretending to be a cis normie and living your life that way completely is the long term survivor's choice
This is so obviously just an attempt to hurt us more. Literally no other evidence for it except someone who just shot up an LGBT club saying he’s trans. I don’t even think the right-wingers really believe he is, they just want to hurt us more too so they go along with it. I mean shit dude even with all the hate towards us at least I don’t have seething hate in my heart 24/7. Messed up way to live.
Of course though.
When are we allowed to say someone isn't trans?
What are the rules?
Is it OK if we don't like them?
Is Jenner trans?
I'm a lefty homo, but these rules were never properly defined. Normally we could use science, but that doesn't apply. There's no test that isn't subjective.
ok what instance of them can you discover of them saying that they are trans? even other times they said they were nonbinary?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Isn't nb a form of trans identity? That's where I'm forming an argument from. I've been yelled at for questioning if NB is trans. Once again, your definitions are even up for question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Isn't nb a form of trans identity?
no
1 year ago
Anonymous
It’s not trans, it is queer tho, but that’s beside the point. If there’s evidence t(he)y identified as NB beforehand, than yea we should believe t(he)y’re nb. If not than it’s an obvious cynical move to attempt to dodge hate crime charges and slander actual non-binary people in the process.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Closeted? They need to be out?
Listen to yourself. You had a shitty ID system many of us pointed out, you spent years condemning us for questioning, and now that the shit hit the fan you're changing rules.
They're just going to have to call him "they".
Otherwise, if you try to sue for discrimination a judge can just say "You ain't trans".
That's bad and not what we want.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Arraignment court-filing is a hell of a forum to come out in.
They don’t need to have X on their driver’s license, literally just having one person testify that they told them about it, or providing a journal entry, or something like that would prove it just fine. There’s no way a person thought about changing their gender identity without leaving a single trace of it. Enter their search history as evidence for all I care! That would work!
1 year ago
Anonymous
Irrelevant though. Is it a law that they have to previously state so? No. That's transphobic.
Why not have trans folks get a driver's license of sort? Or wear a star on their shirts?
You're advocating for something really bad that will hurt you.
Since no rules were defined previously he's non-binary because stating you are is all that's required.
providing literally any evidence at all that predates a hate crime rap
1 year ago
Anonymous
So now trans and nb people need to prove they're trans? Uhhh. You're harming trans people with that thinking.
Okay here’s the thing I don’t think we need some all encompassing perfect rule to determine who’s trans or not, we can just use a little bit of common sense. Like if someone claims they’re trans only after being arrested with literally 0 previous inclination they were trans we can conclude that no, they’re just faking it for whatever reason(lesser sentence, slandering the trans community, get into woman’s prison.) Trying to come up with some perfect method to determine who is and who isn’t “really” trans in every single situation is an exercise in futility and unnecessary. What I would like to say, although this is absolutely cruel and unusual punishment, is that every fricker who claims they’re trans after a crime to try and scrape some benefit from the identity should be forced to get SRS. I bet that would make all of them drop the ruse real fast.
It all depends on how much trans matters. Does it? Hate crime or not he's never getting out. CO abolished the death penalty so what's an additional hundred years ontop of maybe 125?
It just means they'll have to refer to him as "they", "xir", whatever in court. Otherwise, do you want it to be OK if courts can decide if someone is trans or not?
That won't work in your favor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>coming out of the closet 30 minutes after a hate crime
i know you're being a moronic sealion, but i also want you to know that you are personally unattractive as well. elon musk is a better poster than you.
1 year ago
Melanie
Drag that fricker GRAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE CONCERN TROLLS
1 year ago
Anonymous
How does someone prove trans status other than simply claiming it? One doesn't need to transition to be trans.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate and doing what the defense would do.
Hands are tied. He's NB to the court.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Literally doesn't matter. Court of public opinion is not obligated to accept his petulant moronation. As far as the law goes, *they* can enjoy being ass raped in prison like the fat little piggy b***h *they* are for the rest of *their* life.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Oh boy. A rape joke. I love laughing at raped trans people as well. >rolls eyes
You've failed miserably. Hope you never go to jail and have a judge deny your designated gender.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Everyone knows he isn't really trans. You know we know he's not trans. We know you know he's not trans. Unironically yes. I hope his little piggy butt is raped for eternity. He deserves it, and I would laugh about it.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>Uhhh. You're harming trans people with that thinking.
lmao Black person you do not care about this lolll
1 year ago
Anonymous
Courts, news outlets, police, and prisons already do this regularly. There is no precedent to be set. It is okay to refuse to use this guy's pronouns
1 year ago
Anonymous
Courts are different you moron.
How can you sue for discrimination if a court chooses to deny you're trans?
Learn to law better.
They're NB. Deal with it. You allowed designation without requiring proof. Your fault.
1 year ago
Anonymous
So fricking what? It's meaningless in every way and everyone knows exactly why he's claiming to be NB. It doesn't mean or do anything, there is no real consequence other than a few shitty thread on here.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>It's meaningless
Sweet cope you can drink like the most delicious nectar. Itll shatter the lgbt.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I didn't allow shit. It's also okay to deny and cut off obvious attention seeking cis scum that co-opt non binary identities for clout. Self ID has always been a spook invented by afabs. But you're too moronic and hateful to understand that the whole community doesn't revolve around Tumblr logic.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Demon. You're using this to posture, split hairs, quibble, argue about shit beside the point.
Okay here’s the thing I don’t think we need some all encompassing perfect rule to determine who’s trans or not, we can just use a little bit of common sense. Like if someone claims they’re trans only after being arrested with literally 0 previous inclination they were trans we can conclude that no, they’re just faking it for whatever reason(lesser sentence, slandering the trans community, get into woman’s prison.) Trying to come up with some perfect method to determine who is and who isn’t “really” trans in every single situation is an exercise in futility and unnecessary. What I would like to say, although this is absolutely cruel and unusual punishment, is that every fricker who claims they’re trans after a crime to try and scrape some benefit from the identity should be forced to get SRS. I bet that would make all of them drop the ruse real fast.
Shut up. Seriously? You're going to pearl clutch over these moronic frickfrick games?
He committed politically motivated mass murder then coopted the identities of the people who he just killed to mock them further.
How dare you even ask this repugnant question.
1 year ago
Anonymous
I'm just laying it out the way a defense attorney would. I don't believe him, but I also think 99% of NB people are lying for attention. Who do we believe when there's no test or way to prove it?
Your community created this mess by not gate-keeping.
Demon. You're using this to posture, split hairs, quibble, argue about shit beside the point.
People were killed.
Explain when it is ok to misgender or not use pronouns then. Is it ok for courts to? It would be useful to know when assigning trans people to the correct location in prison.
You're all missing the point.
If they deny his trans status because they refuse to acknowledge it then IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I'm just >you are responsible for mass killings waged against you
are you genuinely evil?
i think it's more likely this is just an act, but it's certainly possible the shooter is non-binary. we really have no way of knowing at this point. the important thing to remember is that non-binary is a made up thing, and technically everyone who claims such an identity is techincally "faking" it.
100% this. It's just insult to injury. Salt in the wounds. One last "I identify as a helicopter" joke for good measure. It's so blatant, and so blatant that it will be used as conprop to say that it's "gay on gay crime".
Wow, lot to unpack here.
Just because the shooter looks like an ordinary, masculine cis man, doesn't mean they can't be enby, or even a trans woman.
Enbies don't heckin owe you androgyny.
The mere act of declaring themselves enby or trans means they're literally as valid, and face literally the same oppression, if not more, as girlmoding trans women on HRT.
Okay here’s the thing I don’t think we need some all encompassing perfect rule to determine who’s trans or not, we can just use a little bit of common sense. Like if someone claims they’re trans only after being arrested with literally 0 previous inclination they were trans we can conclude that no, they’re just faking it for whatever reason(lesser sentence, slandering the trans community, get into woman’s prison.) Trying to come up with some perfect method to determine who is and who isn’t “really” trans in every single situation is an exercise in futility and unnecessary. What I would like to say, although this is absolutely cruel and unusual punishment, is that every fricker who claims they’re trans after a crime to try and scrape some benefit from the identity should be forced to get SRS. I bet that would make all of them drop the ruse real fast.
Melanie I don't know who you are and I've never interacted with you before but I want you to know you're based and correct and I'm surprised you have the patience to even engage with people this moronic, even if it's only to the benefit of any third person reading the convo.
Is it fair to nb people if a court can deny if you're nb? Dangerous precedent to set. That harms NB people in the long run. Claim discrimination? Courts say you're not NB even though you're wearing the latest NB fashions.
No, self-identification should be everyone’s right, but this is about as legitimate as a nazi shooting up a mosque and than claiming they’re a Muslim after the fact.
Who defines trans legitimacy? Is Chris Chan trans? A lot would say she isn't. Or Contra.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Chris chan publicly identified as trans before committing a crime. I would say that’s important.
We have to be cynical about information that’s only revealed when someone needs to put together a legal defense.
1 year ago
Anonymous
how is contra not trans?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Wanting to detransition because cis women are not willing to sleep with you is peak trender.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Chris chan publicly identified as trans before committing a crime. I would say that’s important.
We have to be cynical about information that’s only revealed when someone needs to put together a legal defense.
It's important to note that chris chan was groomed into raping their bother by a kiwifarms stalker.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Still a strong woman. Strong enough to overpower her elderly mother according to charges. Girl power meets moron strength.
1 year ago
Anonymous
No chris chan wasn't groomed. Chris chan raped his mother of his own choice. Unless you have docs?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Chris is mentally moronic, extremely gullible, has been stalked for over a decade, and had some crazy chick telling chris to have sex with barb.
im not gonna give you the docs cause this shit is genuinely vile.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Are you talking about Bella? I think you are wrong. Chris chan mentioned to a member of the teen troop squad a year before he raped barb that he had fantasy about his mother. So I find it much more likely chris did what he did because that is what he wanted.
1 year ago
Anonymous
this is a dumb argument bc at the end of the day we cant go back and see what chris wouldvd done without bella whispering pervy shit all the time, all we know is what happened and it seems like we cant ignore that people behind the scenes were influencing events for whatever reason
1 year ago
Anonymous
What did Bella do anon? Poi t me to where I can find what you are talking about. What I have seen is the call where chris chan admits to what he did to barb and some weird discord shit where she planed gay ops to have chris kil himself? I've yet to see anything where bella was encouraging chris to rape his mother.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Chris Chan is mentally disabled and so are (You)
He cannot consent
1 year ago
Anonymous
I like how your framing the mother rapist in such a way that he is the victim of not being able to consent.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Proving my point for me, thanks
1 year ago
Anonymous
Black person. Chris could consent to sex. He wanted sex. He was a sex obsessed weirdo. He raped his mom. He is not a victim.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He was a mentally disabled person that was systematically gangstalked for a decade+ and everyone involved including people super into “following the saga” should be lynched.
1 year ago
Anonymous
He wasn't gangstalked homosexual. Everything anyone ever knew about Chris Chan was given freely. People followed him because he would do and say funny shit.
1 year ago
Anonymous
a woman made him do it. Just like a woman raised him to be this way. the most male brained thing you can do is blame a woman for raping someone.
1 year ago
Anonymous
This should not an argument over trans validity as a whole, you’re begging the question. This can easily be resolved by asking whether or not they identified as nb prior to committing the hate crime, it’s really not that complicated.
1 year ago
Anonymous
They just came out.
Been a hard eternal struggle full of self hating.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The Kiwi Farms stalked later bragged about it, this is well documented.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Show evidence. Are you talking about bella?
1 year ago
Anonymous
frick, this was supposed to be a reply to
No chris chan wasn't groomed. Chris chan raped his mother of his own choice. Unless you have docs?
but i somehow managed to click the wrong one.
1 year ago
Melanie
Literally. Like there’s no need to argue it in any other situation. If they just came out after committing a crime, they’re not really trans. It’s that simple, anyone arguing against this or for it being some grand definition is getting caught in minutiae.
I think it’s still a hate crime if it’s targeted on one group of people. If a black person murders black people for being black (or for being like Nigerian or something) that’s still potentially a hate crime. If a Christian burns a church down it’s still potentially a hate crime.
>If a black person murders black people for being black (or for being like Nigerian or something) that’s still potentially a hate crime
Not sure I agree with that. A black person killing another black person for being the wrong kind of black IS a crime rooted in prejudice and hate, but does it uphold any kind of systemic injustice? Really the phrase "hate crime" needs to actually mean something, and I don't think any variant of quote-unquote "black on black crime" would qualify.
Is it fair to nb people if a court can deny if you're nb? Dangerous precedent to set. That harms NB people in the long run. Claim discrimination? Courts say you're not NB even though you're wearing the latest NB fashions.
You can be convicted of a hate crime against your own race/sex/sexuality/gender.
It is -0.5D chess.
Not having a death or sloth is the stupidest thing.
Animals like this don’t have to neurology to understand or truly suffer from punishment, and keeping them alive for decades is a waste of money.
1 year ago
Anonymous
*a death penalty, stupid phone
1 year ago
Anonymous
Its stupid that i dont have a sloth though
1 year ago
Anonymous
Ikr
1 year ago
Anonymous
Death penalty is more expensive long term than life in prison. Mostly because with the death penalty you get three guaranteed appeals, which are tremendously expensive for (usually state) governments to litigate. Doesn’t cost much to throw someone in jail forever, feed them the bare minimum, barely let them shower or get medical care, etc. A lot of times you get forced labor too so you pay them .20 cents a day to mow the grass at the state capitol or pick up dead animals on the side of the highway or something.
we're allowed to dead name and not use their pronouns in this instance right? I don't think he deserves the grace. Totally making this shit up as they go along. He was mormon, there's no way he was ever going to come out or take it seriously.
Classic CHUD: “actually I identify as an attack helicopter”.
His lawyers are doing this to muddy the waters, deflect blame from the right-wing pundits who spread hate propaganda everyday, and potentially avoid hate crime charges.
Actually wealthy urban counties often have very good public defenders with high standards. The parkland shooter had a good team for his case. Just depends what office your case is assigned to.
Here’s how you know this is fricking lies, I have never seen a female convict claim they were a trans man immediately after getting arrested for a violent crime. It is literally only men doing this shit to try and get into woman’s prisons or dodge a sentence. If it was a legit thing you’d expect from both sexes, but nope.
People change. He went from a Green Party member to supporting MAGA conspiracies, because ‘hippies’ are prone to buying in to anything that’s “anti-establishment”.
Unironically if the veteran had just pistol-whipped him a few more times. Wasn’t satisfied with murdering people, had to try and blame them for their deaths in court.
Nah that vet shouldn’t have to live with any more blood on his hands. The endless humiliation and eventual violent rape experienced by this killer kid will catch up with him. Memes aren’t as funny in a cell.
Jesus fricking christ
imagine instead of spending time with your own mother that loves you, you actually ditch her which is humiliating, then go fricking kill people dragging her name in the mud forever.
fricking christ
Basically we won’t know what’s actually going on until the mom says, “yes, my child is non-binary and I refused to recognize their pronouns” or “no, my son has never said anything like that to me in his life.”
You are correct we don't know anything. It still does not make her the final say what another person is. This case gets stranger the more its getting sifted over.
nice try, /misc/
Not a poltard but now that you mention it I notice /lgbt/ raids them often and should not be mad when they return the favor. This place also forfeits any claim to equality or tolerance after observing behaviors and discords among other venues. The infighting and backstabbing in this 'community' is beyond gross. The ones that actually want to be allies to trans get mogged and denigrated at every turn by people who demand not just blind acceptance but submissive participation in their world view exclusively. No wonder things are as they are.
1 year ago
Anonymous
>not a poltard but >rattles off poltard talking points
I have bad news
1 year ago
Anonymous
>not a /misc/tard but I'm a /misc/tard
??
1 year ago
Anonymous
>I notice /lgbt/ raids them often and should not be mad when they return the favor.
No we don’t wtf
1 year ago
Anonymous
The poltard cries out in pain as he hits you
1 year ago
Anonymous
Of course the token salute of anti-semitism one more for that column. You see I have this fun machine that likes counting words and keeping score. It has been entertaining watching some of these boards how they go on and at each other and how easy they stir. /b/ and NSFFW are at least honest about their derangement's.
> told me to get ready to have the best night ever!
Actual psychopathy Jesus Christ
Give it the chair
Jesus fricking christ
imagine instead of spending time with your own mother that loves you, you actually ditch her which is humiliating, then go fricking kill people dragging her name in the mud forever.
fricking christ
The mom reportedly told the son that his dad was dead and told the dad that his son was dead so both the father and son thought the other was dead. So the mom is a psychopath, she doesn't love her son, and she created this monster.
Did Mx. Aldritch think they were epicly owning le trannies with this? It changes virtually nothing and just makes them look like a petulant ass lmao
Have fun in prison b***h
Pretty epic that right-wingers have found a foolproof way to shift the blame for any terrorist attacks they commit onto the attacked groups. Honestly have no idea how we can overcome this intense of a divide in our perception of basic facts.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Move somewhere without right wingers, let them destroy their state economies and become vassals of China or Iran-like oppressive racist theocracies.
This is the worst attempt at a false flag I've ever seen and yet the mainstream will lap it up because they're fricking sheep that have never met a real trans person.
Nah, this is just a right-wing in joke. The shooter is using his platform to make a mockery of the people he murdered; there’s nothing funnier to him than getting a bunch of liberals to stick up for his alleged gender identity. It’s like an attack helicopter joke on the largest scale imaginable.
Could be anecdotal but every rightie and basher I knew that was prone to violence was repressing their own sexuality hard and wound up in jail or eventually came out and chilled out. It's too bad this little monster is in CO, they should be put down like a rabid animal. I don't care what their pronouns are if they abandon their humanity so violently.
I hope my brother is the exception and just a hater, because after all his bullshit with me if he tried to come out as a woman I’d probably just give him the option to hang himself or I’d come by and cap him the next morning.
>people are trying to deny their gender identity
lol you have become what you despise, just like when you tried to deny that the man who attempted to stab Dave Chapple had anything to do with the trans comments either.
Shut up. Seriously? You're going to pearl clutch over these moronic frickfrick games?
He committed politically motivated mass murder then coopted the identities of the people who he just killed to mock them further.
How dare you even ask this repugnant question.
Seriously the people pussyfooting about it are as bad as the fake belief of the neonazis.
His lawyer needs to be disbarred. They aren’t allowed to outright lie, especially when it will materially lead to further attacks.
but i’m from here, i’m just sick of you cissoids pretending you’re trans and playing the victim. literally a trans woman was killed in this shooting and you’re in a thread abt the shooting pretending like she was your oppressor.
1 year ago
Anonymous
The whole push for "enbies don't owe you androgyny" is so absurd that now cis people (cis women usually, but this time a cis man) can claim to be more oppressed than "binary trans women".
Cis enbies' (gender conforming or not) pronouns are seen as more important than actually transitioning people.
We know he’s lying
You know he’s lying
We know you know he’s lying
You know we know you know he’s lying
We know you know we know you know he’s lying
Shut
The
Frick
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Dunno chief, /misc/ calls out false flags all the damn time, yet it is somehow unreasonable to suspect one in this case? I mean "glowie psyop" is also still on the table.
This is the consequence of pushing the "trans doesn't imply HRT, non-binary doesn't imply androgyny" line of thought.
It makes these words lose all their meaning, and leaves us with nothing to advocate our rights.
We already see this with gender-conforming cis women acting as if they belong to, or can speak for, the trans community.
And it's going to get even worse when masculine cis men start doing the same.
Do you really think doctors know how to sort out a real troony from a fake troony?
1 year ago
Anonymous
Real troony: wants to go on HRT.
Fake troony: does not want HRT.
Real enby: is at least reasonably androgynous
Fake enby: cis girl (more rarely man) who looks like your typical cis person of their AGAB.
1 year ago
Anonymous
what about non-trans people who are on hormones
see you're doing the thing again where you're steering into anti-GNC territory
1 year ago
Anonymous
A psychologist can. At first the psychologist would rule out anxiety, depression, or some attention seeking behavior to rule out if that's the reason.
Anyone can still call themselves NB or whatever, but for it to be officially recognized some form of gatekeeping would need to be done otherwise defendants can turn any courtroom into their own circus which the trans community assured us would never happen. So is he NB or not?
1 year ago
Anonymous
I mean, I know several people who have clear underlying causes (sexually assaulted as a child) that are several years into their transition.
1 year ago
Anonymous
Bullshit, a psychologist will just judge you based on sexist tradwife stereotypes.
"Is this person on HRT" (or wants to be) is all it should take to determine if someone is trans or not.
Descriptive: "That person takes feminizing HRT" => "that person is transfem"
Identity based: "That person is trans because she says so"
With gay and black people, it's descriptive ("is attracted to men", "has black skin color")
For trans people, it unfortunately became "progressive" to say "because they just say so".
F1nn5ter is way more trans than all the non-transitioning theyfabs combined.
At the very least, the minimum amount of gatekeeping should be proving that you were whatever you're claiming to be BEFORE being incarcerated. You shouldn't be allowed to claim you're a troony or enby when the cuffs come on.
>What about people who were not aware they were trans at the time of the crime?
Yeah bro, you weren't aware you were a troony until the handcuffs came on. Shut the frick up, no one is buying it.
How long do you think the minimum amount of time should be after arrest until you're allowed to come out as trans?
What about when someone is wrongly arrested and their gender identity is important to the case in question, for example through witness testimony, but they were not previously out?
WHY DOES IT MATTER
just don't change the judgement or allow this fact in defense and they can use whatever fricking (real us english) pronouns they want
I think we hit the event horizon of people thinking you can only play for “your side”
If they are nb truly it doesn’t even matter, they killed and they were motivated by hate guaranteed. Maybe it’ll come out that they were anti drag or whatever later
>you can only play for “your side
this is so fricking stupid I hate this I hate people I hate "teams" and these pathetic fricking grown adults trying to be cheerleaders while parading around their discriminatory crimes as the moral high ground god just FRICK peopel
He has a history of being a mega homophobe and bigot according to his neighbor. He's also a misogynist and would attack people on encyclopediadramatica.
Never believe a word out of a rightoids mouth. Remember the Satre quote
I'm just saying if this is a ploy then he's remarkably committed to the bit. even Tarrant sobered up when it was time to go to trial
He has a history of being a mega homophobe and bigot according to his neighbor. He's also a misogynist and would attack people on encyclopediadramatica.
Never believe a word out of a rightoids mouth. Remember the Satre quote
what sartre quote
There is a long history of him hating gays with multiple acquaintances coming forward to talk about it. His grandfather is also a maga politician.
But i know the point of posts like this is just to confuse discourse and that you don't actually care what reality is.
>But i know the point of posts like this is just to confuse discourse and that you don't actually care what reality is.
I do though, don't be mean
what's the difference between getting convicted for 5 murders and 18 attempted murders, and 5 murders 18 attempted murders and 23 hate crimes, in Colorado?
my first guess is that you would be in prison for the rest of your life either way
1 year ago
Anonymous
Former you might get house arrest for a bit in your 80s
Latter you’re in max security for life
Don’t understand why none of the charges are terrorism.
They’re doing this to try to avoid hate crime charges to get a lighter sentence. Joke’s on them though, because I’m pretty sure you can commit a hate crime even if you are a member of the targeted community. In other words, all the prosecution has to prove is that the shooter targeted “their” victims for being lgbt. The shooter’s gender identity is irrelevant.
as it fricking should be. people are hateful against their own kind all the time. also LGBT isn't all the same, it could be framed as a gay hating "troony" shooting up the place.
>Plot twist
This is about as surprising as eating a turd and smelling like shit afterwards. Of course the rightoid schizo is gonna fall on the "I'm gay/trans!" defense, it's a political act, he's conducting political theatre. Plus it helps from a prosecution angle.
I bet my left nut this fricker isn't actually an enby.
I instantly thought it was just some gay/troony that got pissed some twink didnt wanna frick them when I heard about the shooting. Didn't once think hate crime.
Tbf I think most shootings are cuz somebody was pissed off they're not getting laid and use political radicalization as cope
Because you’re a public defender and you have seen way worse than this, and also you have to do what your client wants which isn’t necessarily what you want, and that’s just the nature of law.
You know what? Fine. I hope he ends up in the "alternative sexuality" cell block with all the gays, drag queens, and trans people. They can beat him to a pulp daily for the duration of his 5 consecutive life sentences.
If you thought the "AGAB-conforming cis female enbies" demographic was bad enough, wait 'til you see the nascent "AGAB-conforming cis male enbies" one (such as the shooter).
Cis people with no transition or androgyny experience (not even desire to transition) claim to be us, and claim to speak on our behalf.
They even put themselves above us in terms of oppression (against the evil "binary trans women").
the theyfab who said that is objectively correct and i feel like every troony inherently agrees except insane trupooners (minority of a minority of a minority)
"Feminine AFAB who experiences the world as a cis woman" == "Cis woman"
"Masculine AMAB shooter who experiences the world as a cis man == "Cis male shooter"
>Cis people with no transition or androgyny experience (not even desire to transition) claim to be us, and claim to speak on our behalf. >They even put themselves above us in terms of oppression (against the evil "binary trans women").
Imagine being a gay like me and seeing bishit women in relationships with men doing this the past decade with absolute impunity. Im glad trannies are experiencing it now tbh
>that pic >they actually like being AFAB
What a fricking faker. As an *actual* enby, I fricking HATE being AMAB. If I was AFAB, 90% of the issues I have with my body would be fixed. I am too fricking tall, too fricking wide, my shoulders fricking suck, my natural scent is so GROSS, I just can't fricking stand it! I hate it! If I was AFAB instead then 90% of my issues would be solved immediately.
What sort of "enby" doesn't have crippling gender dysphoria?
Most of them are (often gender conforming) cis people of their AGAB.
How they managed to self-elevate as the most oppressed trans minority is baffling.
>https://news.sky.com/story/colorado-gay-club-shooting-suspect-identifies-as-non-binary-lawyers-say-12753647
So according to this article the shooter was arrested last year after his mom called the cops on him after he threatened her with a bomb and she claimed he was "possessed". It looks like he had a complicated childhood too because he was at one point being raised by his grandparents and he changed his name at the age of 15, supposedly to protect him from his criminal father.
Part of me suspects the non-binary thing is a ruse but another part of me thinks the guy was probably a nutcase and maybe he really did identify as enby. Not that it really matters in the end of the day. He still killed 5 people. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter if it was a "hate crime" or not. He was caught red handed gunning down innocent people. He should have been shot twice in the back of the head the moment the cops showed up but that's not the world we live in.
>the guy was probably a nutcase
but you see, this is the problem.
It's why defamation is a thing. If you accuse one person of being a child molester most people would just be suspicious or avoid him, but there's going to be some nutcase who decides to do something about it.
Accusing a whole group of being child molesters has the same effect, on an even larger scale.
It's why all civilized nations except usa have laws against hate speech.
About to get memory holed in 321 that's like this other troony shooter everyone else said was a right wing Nazi until fricking picture it started coming out of her
When will the trannies stop shooting up places? This is the second one this year
We're in a cold war, act like it already- don't wait for it to be announced because not announcing an official state of ideological conflict is one of the weapons fascists use to control the state of play to win that same ideological conflict. We need to have been forming a resistance for the past few years already, stop complaining and get into action or every one of you forfeits the right to complain about the trajectory of society. If you have the opportunity to learn how to handle a gun, take it- Even if you don't want to own one, it's good to know how to handle one if one were put in your hands in an emergency. If you don't have that opportunity, you can still hand out DIY info like that linked at hrt.today to your local support groups, trans events, etc., find your local troony anarchist/antifa org and help network the community to better know what numbers and resources we have available to pool together and organise what to do next e.g. organise programs of martial arts classes for trans people. The world we and our parents grew up in is dead & has morphed into something else, a new present and a new future. The longer we lag behind on realising that the stronger the upper hand the people who want to exterminate us gain. Get to work.
how is everybody so moronic about this? >"they definitely only claimed to be enby after a convo with their lawyer to make it less likely to classify as a hate-crime.
correct. >"this is why self id is bs"
yes. you're very smart. literally this one radical person negates all of the social good and benefit 90% of this board gets from self id. >"people are saying they're not enby? i thought all identities were valid according to gender ideology radicals??"
youre too immature to partake in any discourse if you see this as a genuine own. you also know that this person is lying. >"so the media was lying when they claimed it was a hate crime / religiously motivated / right wing / maga radical etc."
all of these things can still be true. an enby can still commit a hate crime against queer people even if its mostly antithetical. again, i still dont believe the shooter's identity, but still. >"oh, and people said that nobody would ever identify as trans to get an advantage."
because it shouldnt yield an advantage (theres evidence suggesting they're lying) in this case just as it hasnt in literally every other place.
Bullshit.
https://www.axios.com/2022/11/23/colorado-club-shooting-suspect-non-binary-attorneys-say?utm_source=twitter&utm_campaign=editorial&utm_medium=social
>what, you think a mass murder would lie?
If you think it’s in any way sincere and not coming from the same place of bigotry as the shooting you need to be sterilized for eugenic reasons.
What makes you think theres no way its personal motives?
Having a functioning brain and not being a drooling moron.
>You think a man would lie about being trans just to gain an advantage?
>honor system, bro
Telling women that they need to trust any schlong is who he says he is, is coming to bite you in the ass.
This guy is going to spend his entire defense explaining how he discovered Jesus, or in this case, his gender identity while other mentally ill men fight amongst themselves over who is really trans or not. Then he'll be convicted of murder, but no hate crimes, and spend the rest of his life in solitary.
Dog the shooter's motive hasn't been identified yet. They very well could have just shot up the club because of a bad breakup or something.
Ok moron, and if it starts raining we won’t have confirmation of the cause until someone physically goes up in a plane to investigate.
0 IQ analogy. Rain is a repeatable process. Mass murder is not.
It is if you instigate multiple sleeper agents or leaded water victims
>Rain is a repeatable process. Mass murder is not.
Repeat rain pls
You utter moron
I mean scientists have created indoor environments that replicate a rain cycle, but you are just being a disingenuous c**t. You know that rain is a process which follows a clear, repeatable pattern, whereas mass murder is not. Mass murder is the result of a faulty individual, each one has unique reasons and motivations.
>each one has a unique reason
That's why you can see the same issues pop up with every single one of them?
>inb4 BUT NOT THIS EXACT SHOOTING
yes also not that exact rain
Tell that to Americans
I am an American. Mass murder is not a simple puzzle nor is it even REMOTELY as well understood as fricking rain.
Tell that to MKULTRA.
If I were an eccentric billionaire I would bet you nine hundred million dollars right now that if we agreed on a male target between 21-26 that had never worked I could get them to commit a mass causality event before 30 without so much as meeting them in person.
>the government is magic and all powerful
>the government has had complete control of everyone this whole time
CIA posters are so funny.
You’re reading too much into it
I’m just saying it’s predictable and repeatable in theory, not orchestrated IRL.
>They very well could have just shot up the club because of a bad breakup
No enby has ever shot up a school or a church or a club because of a bad breakup lol that's something literally only cisgender men do, c'mon man you're being intellectually dishonest here. Good-faith self identification is a thing but we also have to recognize patterns. Spree shooters are men. Full stop.
And even if his motivation was something personal like a break-up, what does that change exactly? It's still an act of straight cis male violence, and it's an act that upholds straight cis male supremacy even if his motive wasn't explicitly "grr I hate gays".
>No enby has ever shot up a school or a church or a club because of a bad breakup lol that's something literally only cisgender men do
This is the dumbest fricking response yet
>what does that change exactly?
It's the difference between a politically motivated hate crime and a personal vendetta out of control. They have very different legal and moral implications, although I believe they should be punished the same (execution).
>That's why you can see the same issues pop up with every single one of them?
Nope! Sometimes there are common themes, but the only way you can claim they all have the "same issues" is to ignore the stories of the shooter entirely and just hamfist them into your own narrative about their motivations.
>yes also not that exact rain
No, maybe this is the dumbest response yet.
>I’m just saying it’s predictable and repeatable in theory
Not to the same degree as rain my friend, which is why the original analogy ya'll keep defending was trash.
A shooting triggered by a bad break up is a politically motivated hate crime just like all domestic violence committed by cis men.
Hard agree.
Hate crimes based on sex are never prosecuted.
so can we gaslight and gatekeep again now
>Bullshit
Stop it right now! Non-binary people are valid. Respect them.
No goke no homo
Coooooope
this. Let's bring back the electric chair and fry this b***h into the afterlife
Would be hilarious if true, but it isn’t.
should have stomped him out more, a corpse can't defend itself
attempting to negate the fact this was a hate crime
you can be a member of a targeted group and still commit a hate crime against them in america.
i believe it
Ah, the Kevin Spacey defense
!!!!!!!!
Ding ding ding!!!!
i literally predicted this, rightoids are the most NPC morons on this planet
January 6 is a fear mongering bullshit.
If you try to bring it up you're gonna make me think this attack was bullshit too
>threats involving explosives which were actually found nearby and officer killed
>I-its just fear mongering!
Not as NPC as voluntarily castrating yourself
he's obviously just trying to frick with people lol
And try to avoid the hate crime charges. Does CO have a death penalty?
*They
>he's not REALLY non-binary!
well duh, nobody is really non-binary because it doesn't exist. It's something mentally ill people call themselves because they believe they will get some benefit out of it, whether it's earning special snowflake points or gaining sympathy from a jury.
could u imagine being this guys lawyer and actually telling him to say that to negate his sentence
saul goodman type of shit fr
he is a 300 pound groyper what did you expect in his head this is his "gotcha!"
This right here is the problem with self-ID.
>This right here is the problem with self-ID.
yeah it works as long as no one is malicious.
>as long as no one is malicious.
every knows malicious behavior exists, we don't live in fairy tale fantasy land, kid. what we need is an established order of trained professionals to identify everyone's gender.
do you not see the issue with this
you frickers seriously trust "professional" doctors with absolutely everything no questions because you're appeal to authority morons who think diagnosing people genders will totally work and totally won't turn into a form of conversion therapy
No one being malicious isn’t realistic, there will always be someone who exploits self-ID.
What problem? Some cowards having to literally live as the wrong genders like the people they hate because they want to save their asses just a bit more? He’s never getting out.
Unambiguously believing self-ID is going to let right-wingers off the hook in this instance, since by the left’s own standards this can’t be considered as the obvious hate crime that it is, and don’t act like the perp just changing pronouns to they/them will be in any way difficult for him.
It is though. To be forced to live as a different identity, using the wrong pronouns, that is a force worse than death. This is proof alone that the shooter is truly non-binary.
Depraved.
one of these days there's gonna be a mass shooter that used the fake ironic pronouns on twitter, and the media is going to take it completely seriously as proof they're trans
>plot twist
no, no, it sounds exactly what some kind of ebin "owning the libtards" style rightoid would do
the unfortunate high suicide rate amongst the pronouns crowd suggests that a high homocide rate is also likely to exist. misery loves company. pretending to be a cis normie and living your life that way completely is the long term survivor's choice
Inside job.
We need to stop trans terrorism
Benny Johnson is so hot i want him to cream my boipussy
>believing this
Golden filename
boomer ass file name
This is so obviously just an attempt to hurt us more. Literally no other evidence for it except someone who just shot up an LGBT club saying he’s trans. I don’t even think the right-wingers really believe he is, they just want to hurt us more too so they go along with it. I mean shit dude even with all the hate towards us at least I don’t have seething hate in my heart 24/7. Messed up way to live.
Also guarantee some brain-drained right-winger is gonna respond to this with
>wow you’re misgendering them and not respecting their identity
Of course though.
When are we allowed to say someone isn't trans?
What are the rules?
Is it OK if we don't like them?
Is Jenner trans?
I'm a lefty homo, but these rules were never properly defined. Normally we could use science, but that doesn't apply. There's no test that isn't subjective.
ok what instance of them can you discover of them saying that they are trans? even other times they said they were nonbinary?
Isn't nb a form of trans identity? That's where I'm forming an argument from. I've been yelled at for questioning if NB is trans. Once again, your definitions are even up for question.
>Isn't nb a form of trans identity?
no
It’s not trans, it is queer tho, but that’s beside the point. If there’s evidence t(he)y identified as NB beforehand, than yea we should believe t(he)y’re nb. If not than it’s an obvious cynical move to attempt to dodge hate crime charges and slander actual non-binary people in the process.
Closeted? They need to be out?
Listen to yourself. You had a shitty ID system many of us pointed out, you spent years condemning us for questioning, and now that the shit hit the fan you're changing rules.
They're just going to have to call him "they".
Otherwise, if you try to sue for discrimination a judge can just say "You ain't trans".
That's bad and not what we want.
Arraignment court-filing is a hell of a forum to come out in.
They don’t need to have X on their driver’s license, literally just having one person testify that they told them about it, or providing a journal entry, or something like that would prove it just fine. There’s no way a person thought about changing their gender identity without leaving a single trace of it. Enter their search history as evidence for all I care! That would work!
Irrelevant though. Is it a law that they have to previously state so? No. That's transphobic.
Why not have trans folks get a driver's license of sort? Or wear a star on their shirts?
You're advocating for something really bad that will hurt you.
Since no rules were defined previously he's non-binary because stating you are is all that's required.
providing literally any evidence at all that predates a hate crime rap
So now trans and nb people need to prove they're trans? Uhhh. You're harming trans people with that thinking.
It all depends on how much trans matters. Does it? Hate crime or not he's never getting out. CO abolished the death penalty so what's an additional hundred years ontop of maybe 125?
It just means they'll have to refer to him as "they", "xir", whatever in court. Otherwise, do you want it to be OK if courts can decide if someone is trans or not?
That won't work in your favor.
>coming out of the closet 30 minutes after a hate crime
i know you're being a moronic sealion, but i also want you to know that you are personally unattractive as well. elon musk is a better poster than you.
Drag that fricker GRAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I HATE CONCERN TROLLS
How does someone prove trans status other than simply claiming it? One doesn't need to transition to be trans.
I'm merely playing devil's advocate and doing what the defense would do.
Hands are tied. He's NB to the court.
Literally doesn't matter. Court of public opinion is not obligated to accept his petulant moronation. As far as the law goes, *they* can enjoy being ass raped in prison like the fat little piggy b***h *they* are for the rest of *their* life.
Oh boy. A rape joke. I love laughing at raped trans people as well.
>rolls eyes
You've failed miserably. Hope you never go to jail and have a judge deny your designated gender.
Everyone knows he isn't really trans. You know we know he's not trans. We know you know he's not trans. Unironically yes. I hope his little piggy butt is raped for eternity. He deserves it, and I would laugh about it.
>Uhhh. You're harming trans people with that thinking.
lmao Black person you do not care about this lolll
Courts, news outlets, police, and prisons already do this regularly. There is no precedent to be set. It is okay to refuse to use this guy's pronouns
Courts are different you moron.
How can you sue for discrimination if a court chooses to deny you're trans?
Learn to law better.
They're NB. Deal with it. You allowed designation without requiring proof. Your fault.
So fricking what? It's meaningless in every way and everyone knows exactly why he's claiming to be NB. It doesn't mean or do anything, there is no real consequence other than a few shitty thread on here.
>It's meaningless
Sweet cope you can drink like the most delicious nectar. Itll shatter the lgbt.
I didn't allow shit. It's also okay to deny and cut off obvious attention seeking cis scum that co-opt non binary identities for clout. Self ID has always been a spook invented by afabs. But you're too moronic and hateful to understand that the whole community doesn't revolve around Tumblr logic.
Demon. You're using this to posture, split hairs, quibble, argue about shit beside the point.
People were killed.
Okay here’s the thing I don’t think we need some all encompassing perfect rule to determine who’s trans or not, we can just use a little bit of common sense. Like if someone claims they’re trans only after being arrested with literally 0 previous inclination they were trans we can conclude that no, they’re just faking it for whatever reason(lesser sentence, slandering the trans community, get into woman’s prison.) Trying to come up with some perfect method to determine who is and who isn’t “really” trans in every single situation is an exercise in futility and unnecessary. What I would like to say, although this is absolutely cruel and unusual punishment, is that every fricker who claims they’re trans after a crime to try and scrape some benefit from the identity should be forced to get SRS. I bet that would make all of them drop the ruse real fast.
We need brain scans yesterday
Shut up. Seriously? You're going to pearl clutch over these moronic frickfrick games?
He committed politically motivated mass murder then coopted the identities of the people who he just killed to mock them further.
How dare you even ask this repugnant question.
I'm just laying it out the way a defense attorney would. I don't believe him, but I also think 99% of NB people are lying for attention. Who do we believe when there's no test or way to prove it?
Your community created this mess by not gate-keeping.
Explain when it is ok to misgender or not use pronouns then. Is it ok for courts to? It would be useful to know when assigning trans people to the correct location in prison.
You're all missing the point.
If they deny his trans status because they refuse to acknowledge it then IT CAN HAPPEN TO YOU!
>I'm just
>you are responsible for mass killings waged against you
are you genuinely evil?
Transmedicalism aka science says the dividing line is coming out after puberty starts, which wipes out nearly 100% of tttt
Thank you Mel
i think it's more likely this is just an act, but it's certainly possible the shooter is non-binary. we really have no way of knowing at this point. the important thing to remember is that non-binary is a made up thing, and technically everyone who claims such an identity is techincally "faking" it.
non binary is tumblr rp from a decade ago
100% this. It's just insult to injury. Salt in the wounds. One last "I identify as a helicopter" joke for good measure. It's so blatant, and so blatant that it will be used as conprop to say that it's "gay on gay crime".
Someone should do some moron in moron crime at Fox News in Minecraft
>self id for me but not for thee
Unless nb is something different.
Non-binary people don't owe you evidence.
What happened is a tragedy, but it's no excuse to be a bigot
kek at you, a spicy sis, telling a trans woman she is the bigot
Her dysphoria doesn't grant her immunity to being a bigot
Wow, lot to unpack here.
Just because the shooter looks like an ordinary, masculine cis man, doesn't mean they can't be enby, or even a trans woman.
Enbies don't heckin owe you androgyny.
The mere act of declaring themselves enby or trans means they're literally as valid, and face literally the same oppression, if not more, as girlmoding trans women on HRT.
t. Sock
Melanie I don't know who you are and I've never interacted with you before but I want you to know you're based and correct and I'm surprised you have the patience to even engage with people this moronic, even if it's only to the benefit of any third person reading the convo.
new cheat code to dodge hate crime charges just dropped.
Is it fair to nb people if a court can deny if you're nb? Dangerous precedent to set. That harms NB people in the long run. Claim discrimination? Courts say you're not NB even though you're wearing the latest NB fashions.
No, self-identification should be everyone’s right, but this is about as legitimate as a nazi shooting up a mosque and than claiming they’re a Muslim after the fact.
Who defines trans legitimacy? Is Chris Chan trans? A lot would say she isn't. Or Contra.
Chris chan publicly identified as trans before committing a crime. I would say that’s important.
We have to be cynical about information that’s only revealed when someone needs to put together a legal defense.
how is contra not trans?
Wanting to detransition because cis women are not willing to sleep with you is peak trender.
It's important to note that chris chan was groomed into raping their bother by a kiwifarms stalker.
Still a strong woman. Strong enough to overpower her elderly mother according to charges. Girl power meets moron strength.
No chris chan wasn't groomed. Chris chan raped his mother of his own choice. Unless you have docs?
Chris is mentally moronic, extremely gullible, has been stalked for over a decade, and had some crazy chick telling chris to have sex with barb.
im not gonna give you the docs cause this shit is genuinely vile.
Are you talking about Bella? I think you are wrong. Chris chan mentioned to a member of the teen troop squad a year before he raped barb that he had fantasy about his mother. So I find it much more likely chris did what he did because that is what he wanted.
this is a dumb argument bc at the end of the day we cant go back and see what chris wouldvd done without bella whispering pervy shit all the time, all we know is what happened and it seems like we cant ignore that people behind the scenes were influencing events for whatever reason
What did Bella do anon? Poi t me to where I can find what you are talking about. What I have seen is the call where chris chan admits to what he did to barb and some weird discord shit where she planed gay ops to have chris kil himself? I've yet to see anything where bella was encouraging chris to rape his mother.
Chris Chan is mentally disabled and so are (You)
He cannot consent
I like how your framing the mother rapist in such a way that he is the victim of not being able to consent.
Proving my point for me, thanks
Black person. Chris could consent to sex. He wanted sex. He was a sex obsessed weirdo. He raped his mom. He is not a victim.
He was a mentally disabled person that was systematically gangstalked for a decade+ and everyone involved including people super into “following the saga” should be lynched.
He wasn't gangstalked homosexual. Everything anyone ever knew about Chris Chan was given freely. People followed him because he would do and say funny shit.
a woman made him do it. Just like a woman raised him to be this way. the most male brained thing you can do is blame a woman for raping someone.
This should not an argument over trans validity as a whole, you’re begging the question. This can easily be resolved by asking whether or not they identified as nb prior to committing the hate crime, it’s really not that complicated.
They just came out.
Been a hard eternal struggle full of self hating.
The Kiwi Farms stalked later bragged about it, this is well documented.
Show evidence. Are you talking about bella?
frick, this was supposed to be a reply to
but i somehow managed to click the wrong one.
Literally. Like there’s no need to argue it in any other situation. If they just came out after committing a crime, they’re not really trans. It’s that simple, anyone arguing against this or for it being some grand definition is getting caught in minutiae.
I think it’s still a hate crime if it’s targeted on one group of people. If a black person murders black people for being black (or for being like Nigerian or something) that’s still potentially a hate crime. If a Christian burns a church down it’s still potentially a hate crime.
>If a black person murders black people for being black (or for being like Nigerian or something) that’s still potentially a hate crime
Not sure I agree with that. A black person killing another black person for being the wrong kind of black IS a crime rooted in prejudice and hate, but does it uphold any kind of systemic injustice? Really the phrase "hate crime" needs to actually mean something, and I don't think any variant of quote-unquote "black on black crime" would qualify.
You can be convicted of a hate crime against your own race/sex/sexuality/gender.
It is -0.5D chess.
Hate crime doesn't matter. There's no death penalty. He's already going away for more than life with 5 dead.
Not having a death or sloth is the stupidest thing.
Animals like this don’t have to neurology to understand or truly suffer from punishment, and keeping them alive for decades is a waste of money.
*a death penalty, stupid phone
Its stupid that i dont have a sloth though
Ikr
Death penalty is more expensive long term than life in prison. Mostly because with the death penalty you get three guaranteed appeals, which are tremendously expensive for (usually state) governments to litigate. Doesn’t cost much to throw someone in jail forever, feed them the bare minimum, barely let them shower or get medical care, etc. A lot of times you get forced labor too so you pay them .20 cents a day to mow the grass at the state capitol or pick up dead animals on the side of the highway or something.
we're allowed to dead name and not use their pronouns in this instance right? I don't think he deserves the grace. Totally making this shit up as they go along. He was mormon, there's no way he was ever going to come out or take it seriously.
Classic CHUD: “actually I identify as an attack helicopter”.
His lawyers are doing this to muddy the waters, deflect blame from the right-wing pundits who spread hate propaganda everyday, and potentially avoid hate crime charges.
His lawyers are public defenders, they’re not the cream of the crop.
Actually wealthy urban counties often have very good public defenders with high standards. The parkland shooter had a good team for his case. Just depends what office your case is assigned to.
The federal PD bench is also pretty good usually.
Here’s how you know this is fricking lies, I have never seen a female convict claim they were a trans man immediately after getting arrested for a violent crime. It is literally only men doing this shit to try and get into woman’s prisons or dodge a sentence. If it was a legit thing you’d expect from both sexes, but nope.
Because claiming you’re a man doesn’t benefit your defense in any way. A vid AFAB person wouldn’t want to get sent to a men’s jail
I know that’s what I’m saying. Like they’re definitely not really trans, they just want to improve their defence.
It really is the most harm he could cause.
Identifying as nb was always a cynic move, this just makes it even more obvious.
Genius move honestly
Hurts the intended target way more and serves as a defense against the obvious hate crime in an instant
Most insidious shit possible
Gettin real tired
Who cares? Being non-binary doesn’t unkill those other 5 people.
>be me, nazi
>shoot up synagogue
>on trial
>”actually I’m a convert to judaism”
Do you get it now?
Not my problem if you refuse to think even one critical thought.
>be transphobe
>want to do a mass shooting
>change pronouns to blame trans people
Wow.
It’s that easy apparently. Not one person on the right will be even vaguely suspicious of this claim.
Why should they be. The man who attacked Paul Pelosi was
.A nudist activist
.Blm supporter
.Made hemp israeliteelry
.Drug addicted
.Illegal alien
.Cuckold
Yet the attack was blamed on maga/gamergate by the media. This isn't unique to the right wing.
above all else he was a schizo.
People change. He went from a Green Party member to supporting MAGA conspiracies, because ‘hippies’ are prone to buying in to anything that’s “anti-establishment”.
this is the second trans mass shooter, maybe its cis people that should be locked in asylums.
she should have kept stomping so he could identify as a stiletto through the frontal lobe
Unironically if the veteran had just pistol-whipped him a few more times. Wasn’t satisfied with murdering people, had to try and blame them for their deaths in court.
Yeah for once it’s a shame they lived
Yes. He is scum and should not be alive while others are dead. I want pictures of his bloody pulp of a face after the beating.
Nah that vet shouldn’t have to live with any more blood on his hands. The endless humiliation and eventual violent rape experienced by this killer kid will catch up with him. Memes aren’t as funny in a cell.
Poor mom
I wonder what his mom is thinking right now.
Would be funny if THIS made his MAGA grandpa disown him, and not the whole mass murder thing.
> told me to get ready to have the best night ever!
Actual psychopathy Jesus Christ
Give it the chair
🙁
>he told me to get ready to have the best night ever!
holy shit lol
Jesus fricking christ
imagine instead of spending time with your own mother that loves you, you actually ditch her which is humiliating, then go fricking kill people dragging her name in the mud forever.
fricking christ
Because no one has had parents that refuse to use their chosen pronouns.....
Basically we won’t know what’s actually going on until the mom says, “yes, my child is non-binary and I refused to recognize their pronouns” or “no, my son has never said anything like that to me in his life.”
You are correct we don't know anything. It still does not make her the final say what another person is. This case gets stranger the more its getting sifted over.
Not a poltard but now that you mention it I notice /lgbt/ raids them often and should not be mad when they return the favor. This place also forfeits any claim to equality or tolerance after observing behaviors and discords among other venues. The infighting and backstabbing in this 'community' is beyond gross. The ones that actually want to be allies to trans get mogged and denigrated at every turn by people who demand not just blind acceptance but submissive participation in their world view exclusively. No wonder things are as they are.
>not a poltard but
>rattles off poltard talking points
I have bad news
>not a /misc/tard but I'm a /misc/tard
??
>I notice /lgbt/ raids them often and should not be mad when they return the favor.
No we don’t wtf
The poltard cries out in pain as he hits you
Of course the token salute of anti-semitism one more for that column. You see I have this fun machine that likes counting words and keeping score. It has been entertaining watching some of these boards how they go on and at each other and how easy they stir. /b/ and NSFFW are at least honest about their derangement's.
nice try, /misc/
Isn't half the fricking moronic troony posting on this board about men breaking down and crying because someone gendered them a man in public?
The mom reportedly told the son that his dad was dead and told the dad that his son was dead so both the father and son thought the other was dead. So the mom is a psychopath, she doesn't love her son, and she created this monster.
I mean yeah that was a given from the bomb threat.
Children that kill their parents almost universally do it as a reaction to severe abuse.
>trusting the words of a TPUSA ghoul
https://www.lgbtqnation.com/2022/11/club-q-shooter-used-anti-gay-slurs-frequently-attack-lgbtq-bar/
Here’s an interview with a friend of the shooter. Says he was prone to using homophobic slurs and making threats against people.
Did Mx. Aldritch think they were epicly owning le trannies with this? It changes virtually nothing and just makes them look like a petulant ass lmao
Have fun in prison b***h
Rightoids will run with it because they have zero intellectual integrity.
Literally just heard it reported on FN tonight. You can bet Tuckboi will lead with it tomorrow.
Pretty epic that right-wingers have found a foolproof way to shift the blame for any terrorist attacks they commit onto the attacked groups. Honestly have no idea how we can overcome this intense of a divide in our perception of basic facts.
Move somewhere without right wingers, let them destroy their state economies and become vassals of China or Iran-like oppressive racist theocracies.
This shit isn't unique to right stop being homosexuals.
This is the worst attempt at a false flag I've ever seen and yet the mainstream will lap it up because they're fricking sheep that have never met a real trans person.
Me chilling here in my bed playin’ Metroid Dread
It’s ok anon, I’m not even trans. It’s just plain-old gay for you to think about me in bed.
Nah, this is just a right-wing in joke. The shooter is using his platform to make a mockery of the people he murdered; there’s nothing funnier to him than getting a bunch of liberals to stick up for his alleged gender identity. It’s like an attack helicopter joke on the largest scale imaginable.
He used his undiagnosed autism as a shield before.
So they are trans
The sheer evil and cynism of it all astounds me. How can he hold so much hate in him? He really is /misc/'s good little soldier
Could be anecdotal but every rightie and basher I knew that was prone to violence was repressing their own sexuality hard and wound up in jail or eventually came out and chilled out. It's too bad this little monster is in CO, they should be put down like a rabid animal. I don't care what their pronouns are if they abandon their humanity so violently.
I hope my brother is the exception and just a hater, because after all his bullshit with me if he tried to come out as a woman I’d probably just give him the option to hang himself or I’d come by and cap him the next morning.
lmao i bet you regret disrespecting enbies now
No I am even more vindicated actually
If anything, we were right, it's totally fake and an attention seeking move.
>people are trying to deny their gender identity
lol you have become what you despise, just like when you tried to deny that the man who attempted to stab Dave Chapple had anything to do with the trans comments either.
Rigt wingers really think we are stupid?
Shut the frick up moron
Seriously the people pussyfooting about it are as bad as the fake belief of the neonazis.
His lawyer needs to be disbarred. They aren’t allowed to outright lie, especially when it will materially lead to further attacks.
smfd back to r/the_donald you're not fricking funny or creative
With the way the trans community throws non-binary people under the bus, I wouldn't be surprised if they're actually an enby
I will bet anyone everything I own and my life that he isn’t.
It’s a fricking groyper
How can you be so low in both IQ and EQ that you think anyone thinks you believe this bullshit?
Non-binaries don’t say “xir”. You will never be funny
Why to transmedicalists feel like they can impose themselves on non-binary people?
I never mentioned anything about transmedicalalism I just think you’re unfunny
Different poster, moron
why do non-binaries feel entitled to kill transmedicalists?
Go back, chud
but i’m from here, i’m just sick of you cissoids pretending you’re trans and playing the victim. literally a trans woman was killed in this shooting and you’re in a thread abt the shooting pretending like she was your oppressor.
The whole push for "enbies don't owe you androgyny" is so absurd that now cis people (cis women usually, but this time a cis man) can claim to be more oppressed than "binary trans women".
Cis enbies' (gender conforming or not) pronouns are seen as more important than actually transitioning people.
We know he’s lying
You know he’s lying
We know you know he’s lying
You know we know you know he’s lying
We know you know we know you know he’s lying
Shut
The
Frick
Up
Everyone here knows you don't actually believe this anon
lmao the amount of cope in this thread
Dunno chief, /misc/ calls out false flags all the damn time, yet it is somehow unreasonable to suspect one in this case? I mean "glowie psyop" is also still on the table.
This is the consequence of pushing the "trans doesn't imply HRT, non-binary doesn't imply androgyny" line of thought.
It makes these words lose all their meaning, and leaves us with nothing to advocate our rights.
We already see this with gender-conforming cis women acting as if they belong to, or can speak for, the trans community.
And it's going to get even worse when masculine cis men start doing the same.
And this is why gatekeeping is 100% necessary and this "anyone can be anything at anytime without question" bullshit was bound to backfire.
how do you plan to gatekeep. how do you plan to keep ppl off of hrt. how do you plan to decide ppls genders
It has to be codified in law. A medical professional would have to designate identity. Like they do with disabled people, diabetics, and morons.
Do you really think doctors know how to sort out a real troony from a fake troony?
Real troony: wants to go on HRT.
Fake troony: does not want HRT.
Real enby: is at least reasonably androgynous
Fake enby: cis girl (more rarely man) who looks like your typical cis person of their AGAB.
what about non-trans people who are on hormones
see you're doing the thing again where you're steering into anti-GNC territory
A psychologist can. At first the psychologist would rule out anxiety, depression, or some attention seeking behavior to rule out if that's the reason.
Anyone can still call themselves NB or whatever, but for it to be officially recognized some form of gatekeeping would need to be done otherwise defendants can turn any courtroom into their own circus which the trans community assured us would never happen. So is he NB or not?
I mean, I know several people who have clear underlying causes (sexually assaulted as a child) that are several years into their transition.
Bullshit, a psychologist will just judge you based on sexist tradwife stereotypes.
"Is this person on HRT" (or wants to be) is all it should take to determine if someone is trans or not.
Don't gatekeep HRT. Gatekeep trans identity based on being/wanting to be on HRT instead.
Why the hell is trans the only minority that is NOT defined on a descriptive basis?
Say "gay men are men who are attracted to other men", nobody bats an eyes.
Say "trans people are people who take HRT to transition into the other sex/gender", and everybody loses their minds.
that's prescriptive, not descriptive
Descriptive: "That person takes feminizing HRT" => "that person is transfem"
Identity based: "That person is trans because she says so"
With gay and black people, it's descriptive ("is attracted to men", "has black skin color")
For trans people, it unfortunately became "progressive" to say "because they just say so".
F1nn5ter is way more trans than all the non-transitioning theyfabs combined.
It was obvious that people would exploit this eventually. Like male prisoners claiming they're trans and getting put into female prisons.
Lawyer needs to be disbarred for knowingly lying to a judge in a way that incites violence.
Client's orders. You want your lawyer misgendering you out of fear of being disbarred?
This is interesting. You here only advocate for what you feel benefits you at the current time in the current moment.
You are arguing in bad faith since we both know he’s lying
True. Sue him for inciting violence after the next attack then.
It’s really hard to get disbarred in most states.
cool
let’s execute them
At the very least, the minimum amount of gatekeeping should be proving that you were whatever you're claiming to be BEFORE being incarcerated. You shouldn't be allowed to claim you're a troony or enby when the cuffs come on.
What about people who were not aware they were trans at the time of the crime?
And people who were unable or unwilling to come out previously, due to social pressure or work conditions?
Should there be a maximum severity level of crimes which you are allowed to come out as trans afterwards?
>What about people who were not aware they were trans at the time of the crime?
Yeah bro, you weren't aware you were a troony until the handcuffs came on. Shut the frick up, no one is buying it.
Why is it so unthinkable?
How long do you think the minimum amount of time should be after arrest until you're allowed to come out as trans?
What about when someone is wrongly arrested and their gender identity is important to the case in question, for example through witness testimony, but they were not previously out?
it's because of people like you that many transwomen are currently suffering in men's prisons.
His manifesto was literally an incel rant about homosexuals not wanting to have sex with him.
that sounds like hsts though??
WHY DOES IT MATTER
just don't change the judgement or allow this fact in defense and they can use whatever fricking (real us english) pronouns they want
I think we hit the event horizon of people thinking you can only play for “your side”
If they are nb truly it doesn’t even matter, they killed and they were motivated by hate guaranteed. Maybe it’ll come out that they were anti drag or whatever later
>you can only play for “your side
this is so fricking stupid I hate this I hate people I hate "teams" and these pathetic fricking grown adults trying to be cheerleaders while parading around their discriminatory crimes as the moral high ground god just FRICK peopel
so do we know for a fact that this guy is anti LGBT terrorist, and do we know for a fact that he isn't enby
like did he follow chuds r us on Facebook or something or what
He has a history of being a mega homophobe and bigot according to his neighbor. He's also a misogynist and would attack people on encyclopediadramatica.
Never believe a word out of a rightoids mouth. Remember the Satre quote
They have Blaire Racist vouching for them
There is a long history of him hating gays with multiple acquaintances coming forward to talk about it. His grandfather is also a maga politician.
But i know the point of posts like this is just to confuse discourse and that you don't actually care what reality is.
Why are you putting members of the community down for internalized homophobia
kys
The funny thing is, right wingers have so little critical thinking, they might be honest when they think this isn't a ploy.
I'm just saying if this is a ploy then he's remarkably committed to the bit. even Tarrant sobered up when it was time to go to trial
what sartre quote
>But i know the point of posts like this is just to confuse discourse and that you don't actually care what reality is.
I do though, don't be mean
>even Tarrant sobered up when it was time to go to trial
He didn't think he could get his charges reduced with a "bit" though
what's the difference between getting convicted for 5 murders and 18 attempted murders, and 5 murders 18 attempted murders and 23 hate crimes, in Colorado?
my first guess is that you would be in prison for the rest of your life either way
Former you might get house arrest for a bit in your 80s
Latter you’re in max security for life
Don’t understand why none of the charges are terrorism.
>what sartre quote
that's cool and all but who brought up israelites
>This cucks face when he lost the debate with a based Nazi
Lol this b***h got trolled hard
They’re doing this to try to avoid hate crime charges to get a lighter sentence. Joke’s on them though, because I’m pretty sure you can commit a hate crime even if you are a member of the targeted community. In other words, all the prosecution has to prove is that the shooter targeted “their” victims for being lgbt. The shooter’s gender identity is irrelevant.
>The shooter’s gender identity is irrelevant.
Seriously?
nta yes entirely what the frick does it matter
"Gender" identity is literally the entire basis of transgender, how can you say it doesn't matter?
I'm asking you to explain how it does materially matter what the killer's identity was
as it fricking should be. people are hateful against their own kind all the time. also LGBT isn't all the same, it could be framed as a gay hating "troony" shooting up the place.
>Plot twist
This is about as surprising as eating a turd and smelling like shit afterwards. Of course the rightoid schizo is gonna fall on the "I'm gay/trans!" defense, it's a political act, he's conducting political theatre. Plus it helps from a prosecution angle.
I bet my left nut this fricker isn't actually an enby.
Are you genuinely incapable of recognizing trolling. It's rightoid terrorist 101.
>rightoid terrorist 101.
is it? I dunno if I've seen this before
I instantly thought it was just some gay/troony that got pissed some twink didnt wanna frick them when I heard about the shooting. Didn't once think hate crime.
Tbf I think most shootings are cuz somebody was pissed off they're not getting laid and use political radicalization as cope
how could you be one of said attorneys, say this, and not immediately self-terminate out of shame
Because you’re a public defender and you have seen way worse than this, and also you have to do what your client wants which isn’t necessarily what you want, and that’s just the nature of law.
You know what? Fine. I hope he ends up in the "alternative sexuality" cell block with all the gays, drag queens, and trans people. They can beat him to a pulp daily for the duration of his 5 consecutive life sentences.
The good ending
If you thought the "AGAB-conforming cis female enbies" demographic was bad enough, wait 'til you see the nascent "AGAB-conforming cis male enbies" one (such as the shooter).
Cis people with no transition or androgyny experience (not even desire to transition) claim to be us, and claim to speak on our behalf.
They even put themselves above us in terms of oppression (against the evil "binary trans women").
the theyfab who said that is objectively correct and i feel like every troony inherently agrees except insane trupooners (minority of a minority of a minority)
"Feminine AFAB who experiences the world as a cis woman" == "Cis woman"
"Masculine AMAB shooter who experiences the world as a cis man == "Cis male shooter"
>Cis people with no transition or androgyny experience (not even desire to transition) claim to be us, and claim to speak on our behalf.
>They even put themselves above us in terms of oppression (against the evil "binary trans women").
Imagine being a gay like me and seeing bishit women in relationships with men doing this the past decade with absolute impunity. Im glad trannies are experiencing it now tbh
this, every leftwing white woman calls herself "bisexual" now because she needs the oppression points to get higher on the progressive stack.
>that pic
>they actually like being AFAB
What a fricking faker. As an *actual* enby, I fricking HATE being AMAB. If I was AFAB, 90% of the issues I have with my body would be fixed. I am too fricking tall, too fricking wide, my shoulders fricking suck, my natural scent is so GROSS, I just can't fricking stand it! I hate it! If I was AFAB instead then 90% of my issues would be solved immediately.
What sort of "enby" doesn't have crippling gender dysphoria?
>What sort of "enby" doesn't have crippling gender dysphoria?
The majority of them?
Most of them are (often gender conforming) cis people of their AGAB.
How they managed to self-elevate as the most oppressed trans minority is baffling.
Gender Dysphoria changes in severity depending on when the person with it is feeling like begging for sympathy
>https://news.sky.com/story/colorado-gay-club-shooting-suspect-identifies-as-non-binary-lawyers-say-12753647
So according to this article the shooter was arrested last year after his mom called the cops on him after he threatened her with a bomb and she claimed he was "possessed". It looks like he had a complicated childhood too because he was at one point being raised by his grandparents and he changed his name at the age of 15, supposedly to protect him from his criminal father.
Part of me suspects the non-binary thing is a ruse but another part of me thinks the guy was probably a nutcase and maybe he really did identify as enby. Not that it really matters in the end of the day. He still killed 5 people. In a perfect world it wouldn't matter if it was a "hate crime" or not. He was caught red handed gunning down innocent people. He should have been shot twice in the back of the head the moment the cops showed up but that's not the world we live in.
>the guy was probably a nutcase
but you see, this is the problem.
It's why defamation is a thing. If you accuse one person of being a child molester most people would just be suspicious or avoid him, but there's going to be some nutcase who decides to do something about it.
Accusing a whole group of being child molesters has the same effect, on an even larger scale.
It's why all civilized nations except usa have laws against hate speech.
About to get memory holed in 321 that's like this other troony shooter everyone else said was a right wing Nazi until fricking picture it started coming out of her
When will the trannies stop shooting up places? This is the second one this year
Belive <clap_emoji> All <clap_emoji> Enbies.
they don't even try to pretend to be acting in good faith.
pretending to be trans by changing their pronouns is one of the cheapest gotchas the conservatives have been pulling
Here's his dad
https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1595519454900805649
Reminder GOP fascists are ontologically evil etc. etc.
This man has brain damage and is on meth. Doesn’t even react to hearing news of his kid killing five people.
I cannot imagine this state of consciousness, life, or existence. I don't really understand how he functions.
this is so fricked up you can hear the trauma and abuse in that family through this man's deranged mutterings over the homoseckschuals
We're in a cold war, act like it already- don't wait for it to be announced because not announcing an official state of ideological conflict is one of the weapons fascists use to control the state of play to win that same ideological conflict. We need to have been forming a resistance for the past few years already, stop complaining and get into action or every one of you forfeits the right to complain about the trajectory of society. If you have the opportunity to learn how to handle a gun, take it- Even if you don't want to own one, it's good to know how to handle one if one were put in your hands in an emergency. If you don't have that opportunity, you can still hand out DIY info like that linked at hrt.today to your local support groups, trans events, etc., find your local troony anarchist/antifa org and help network the community to better know what numbers and resources we have available to pool together and organise what to do next e.g. organise programs of martial arts classes for trans people. The world we and our parents grew up in is dead & has morphed into something else, a new present and a new future. The longer we lag behind on realising that the stronger the upper hand the people who want to exterminate us gain. Get to work.
how is everybody so moronic about this?
>"they definitely only claimed to be enby after a convo with their lawyer to make it less likely to classify as a hate-crime.
correct.
>"this is why self id is bs"
yes. you're very smart. literally this one radical person negates all of the social good and benefit 90% of this board gets from self id.
>"people are saying they're not enby? i thought all identities were valid according to gender ideology radicals??"
youre too immature to partake in any discourse if you see this as a genuine own. you also know that this person is lying.
>"so the media was lying when they claimed it was a hate crime / religiously motivated / right wing / maga radical etc."
all of these things can still be true. an enby can still commit a hate crime against queer people even if its mostly antithetical. again, i still dont believe the shooter's identity, but still.
>"oh, and people said that nobody would ever identify as trans to get an advantage."
because it shouldnt yield an advantage (theres evidence suggesting they're lying) in this case just as it hasnt in literally every other place.