>be stuck in ugly to average man body
>decide to transition
>become ugly to average looking woman
>REEEEEE WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL
You look like women. Just accept that and be happy with it. That was your goal in the first place, no?
Or was your goal to magically become attractive and desirable through magic pills instead?
iktf when someone posts some 11/10 phenomenal absolute bombshell of a goddess with breasts like a divine gift, and goes "I'm 32, if I take hrt, can I look like this? I've never seen anything more amazing in my life, I want to be her" like ok b***h slow down and make sure you arent just blinded by her sheer otherwordly beauty into wanting to transition, and that you have genuine gender dysphoria. And then some delusional anons will hope in and say "yes you can, just keep fit and use skincare while taking hrt!" b***h I am a cis woman and it is literally impossible for me to look like that no matter what I do.
Exactly. Beauty is desirable and everyone wants it, but you gotta stay realistic lest you absolutely destroy yourself.
I feel like it’s becoming more and more common that people desire HRT for "aesthetic reasons" that aren’t directly tied to gender dysphoria. E.g. having boobs isn’t enough, they have to be perfectly shaped D cups. Like, just be happy you have boobs now, girl!
I’m always an advocate for aiming high and being the best version of yourself, but when it comes to HRT, some stuff is just genetically determined. Learning that some people are just naturally much more attractive is part of learning what it’s like to be a woman hahaha
>I feel like it’s becoming more and more common that people desire HRT for "aesthetic reasons"
Are you kidding? It has to be the most common reason, both for the agp coombrains and the depressed permaboymoders
well there are also trans people who genuinely just want a different body and don’t care much if they’ll be just as attractive as before
i wish i looked like a woman
Yeah the problem is a lot of trannies need to learn to accept being an ugly woman which is quite a cursed fate
I wouldn’t go back to that no matter how much you paid me
If someone is truly trans mtf, being an ugly woman is better than being an ugly man
this
ugly women are on average more attractive than ugly men anyways
yeah but it’s more about just being a woman. You may be ugly still, but if you really are more comfortable as a woman, then that’s still better
no like other anon said it means you’re an at least average looking woman
better than being a man tho
but why is it better than being a man? what difference is it if you are an ugly woman or an ugly man? to a woman, her beauty i everything. ugly men arent as screwed by society
is the difference between being an ugly woman or an ugly man whether or not strange older men ask you out on a date while you're pumping gas at the gas station?
No, if you’re truly ugly and a woman people act like you don’t exist and creeps tend to leave you alone
You are average if that happens to you
People just treat you poorly compared to normie and attractive people
it's only happened once in the last year tho so idk most people leave me alone
i already knew my fate was being a hon when i started hrt
i look somewhere between male and female on my best days
I would agree 100% if I wasnt one of the exceptions that proves the rule
Some of us are just fricked and have a valid reason to complain where justvery rare compared to the swarm of bdd girls
>be stuck in ugly to average man body
>decide to transition
>become ugly to average looking man with man boobs
haha
>be stuck in ugly to average man body
So what is the problem blindly rolling the dice?
>decide to transition
The dice roll might defy the laws of reality!
>become ugly to average looking woman
Frick, bad roll. But at least I'm a woman now and I'm in the same boat as those who need or will benefit from plastic surgery.
WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL
>Ehm, OP you are projecting here and at least you were not the victim of honfidence. I don't know of a worse fate.
I’m not projecting. I’m 2 months into HRT without high hopes, but tbf I have a twink body so I’m gucci.
I am referring to all of those complaining that they don’t pass or they’re soooo ugly when they could just be glad to be a woman finally
Word of advice
If you end up fricked like me don't rage against bdd posters yu will never win. Leave now and find a nice hugbox it will be better for your wellbeing
If you do pass leave and touch grass and live your life as a women hope it happens for you
I’m just here while dysphoria and insecurities torment me. Trying to have a nice time and get some validation and attention from time to time. My body is a good starting point, but my hair and face are fricked
Look depending on how cursed you are they might torment you forever. Better off leaving before it's too late
>I am referring to all of those complaining that they don’t pass or they’re soooo ugly when they could just be glad to be a woman finally
Yeah, I hear you this is such a echo chamber of misery with a few passoid devils who have descended to torture all with their aura. This is the best place to get the closest to a real reality check though, resulting in a growing repressor population.
So your way of thinking does not really work here, even though it is closer to the truth when it comes to transitioning at any age. This is a place with hierarchy of narcissists; with the beautiful on top and the ugly on the bottom - nothing in the middle matters here and is NOT good enough.
I wouldn’t say this board is realistic. It’s a bunch of hyperanalizing schizos and polcels who will shit up any thread they enter anyway. This board is good if you want the harshest and most severe critique possible
>could just be glad to be a woman finally
They know this is something thats imposible achive cause you have to be born with it.
They expect to atleast be good looking bit thats even more hard to do
Lmao
Nothing but a downward spiral of despair when you transition
Pessimist mindset + "you have to be born with it"
Trans people are born trans. A trans woman is born a trans woman. You are a woman and just have to alter your body accordingly. At least, that’s if you’re REALLY trans
There's no such thing as trans kids only children that got groomed to it.
Thats why you transition cut your boob or penis etc.lmao
kys moron
>2 months hrt
oh frick off, we’re not here to get lectured by dumbass baby trannies
keep this same energy in a year
Sophie, frick off.
You’re a beautiful woman and you get that told to you 20 times every day. Tttt is literally your hugbox. Stop beating yourself up and just live happily finally. The only demons haunting you are your own
But they are! I’ve heard so many people say "I don’t pass I should just detrans" lately. Yes it’s only on this board, but I’m referring to people on this board and not offline people in general
Julie they say that all the timea and they don't actually detransition
They are just venting there dysphoria out into the world or trying to get people to reassure them and say you do pass for a little dopamine hit
They are still trans they do this because they are in pain not for malicious reasons or for social clout
I suppose you’re right with that. Maybe I was blinded by emotion. These "OMG I am so ugly and should just detrans" threads just piss me off
>tttt is literally your hugbox
LMFAOOOOOOOO
https://imgur.io/a/L8KAgm5
is this is my hugbox i should kms on the spot
That was ages ago. People react much more kindly to you these days
and we talked on discord in may this year. I’ve been telling you the same shit since then. Just accept yourself. If external validation means nothing to you, learn to give it to you yourself
>You’re a beautiful woman and you get that told to you 20 times every day. Tttt is literally your hugbox
I dont know what planet your live on, but it is certainly not this one.
this is funny but nahhhh Sophie needs to grow out of her self-hate
>be shoulderhon neckhon ribcage hon skullhon hiphon feethon
>just be a twinkhon bro, it's hot and valid
No, just be a fricking hon with honfidence. If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman. Aesthetic chasers are just so dumb
>If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman.
So in a ideal world this would be true, where somehow a average male could become a average female. But the reality is that many will actually get a worse life by not passing because of severe cursed genetics.
If you have "severe cursed genetics" you weren’t attractive to begin with. I’ll repeat it again, if you are actually fricking transgender, being unpassing and treated like shit is still better than being a depressed/suicidal man. jfc
You're gonna have to stop being so based or you're gonna get a cult following
>If you have "severe cursed genetics" you weren’t attractive to begin with.
I'm talking about "cursed genetics" that are very desirable as a man, but don't transfer when you transition to a woman.
Since your therapy for gender dysphoria is transitioning, wouldn't you say that your therapy is severely affected if it's not working properly?
Even in an ideal situation where you are surrounded by acceptance as a hon you will sense that something is wrong. We humans are very sensitive and if you feel the spotlight is on you constantly it can cause you to misinterpret non verbal communication. You can very easily start to see patterns and project your paranoia of what hides behind their politeness.
It's not a healthy way to live and in many cases I would say it's impact is just as great as repressing.
Transitioning is a bunch of compromises, that are only favorable for true sufferers of gender dysphoria. So the pro/con ratio is not in your favor for those who don't REALLY need it. If you look extremely masculine you have to have a iron will and armored skin to have a "normal life".
The consequences of puberty blockers causing lower IQ for example, should tell you enough how it all is just a crappy band-aid on a severe wound.
>Transitioning is a bunch of compromises, that are only favorable for true sufferers of gender dysphoria. So the pro/con ratio is not in your favor for those who don't REALLY need it. If you look extremely masculine you have to have a iron will and armored skin to have a "normal life".
I'm afab and extremely feminine and dont "REALLY need it", but that's why I lowdose hormones and gaslight people that I'm a pcos butch lesbian and never socially transition. Taking T made me much more mentally stable, and ironically much more accepting of the idea that I'll never live as a man. Transition is a long series of steps and you can choose to take only a few.
You’re right with most of your points. Which is exactly why I’m concerned about all these people who seem to seek HRT not to alleviate GD symptoms!
IMHO if you are a 10/10 broad and strong looking male, but you are trans, you will still feel better with the crappy bandaid that is HRT rather than leaving the wound out in the open, where it will infest or inflame and grow into depression and suicidality. You will not say "HRT was the worst I could have done" just because you don’t meet an arbitrary attractiveness goal
>If you were trans you wouldn’t say that being a man is better than being an unpassing woman
There is no such thing as an unpassing woman
Trannies who don't pass look like something else, not a woman, not a man. When I look in the mirror I'm honestly disturbed by it and I understand why other would be disturbed too. I hate my male appearance, but what I have now is worse on a very different level
replace -hon with -cel and it becomes clear NSFFW trannies are just incels with (more) brainrot
What do you expect transitioning is nothing more than a huge shallow cosmetic procedure that will expire as you age
This is wrong. HRT has huge effects on the emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.
What if that’s the plan?
>emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.
Exactly like Plastic Surgery
>This is wrong. HRT has huge effects on the emotional state, brain, how you feel sensations and how your body operates too.
I've never actually felt this. I had extremely high T before transition, and now I have high E on injections, and both states feel exactly the same
How long have you been on hrt with what regimen?
3 years, I'm on EV injections + bica, my T is ~15-20 ng/dl
Before hrt I had 1260 ng/dl T, and I don't feel any different that I do now
Hrt was purely cosmetic for me
That’s weird. Maybe you’re a bit stoic in general? Like a stable baseline of emotionality. Because HRT definitely makes you more emotional, cry more easily and less aggressive. Those are documented results based on strong evidence
I was always stoic I guess. I only cried once as an adult, it after a wedding because I'm forever alone and I hate that. Hrt didn't change that at all
I know I'm an anomaly. All my trans friends changed in a very obvious way. I think it just means I was always fake trans and being a man on estrogen isn't really different from being a man on testosterone
That’s still wrong. Even if you were a "man on estrogen" you’d experience these effects. Maybe you have. medical condition? Talk to a psychiatrist about it if you really think it’s not in your control. Try to see if it’s just a rusty valve though. Let it out if you can
I did, was diagnosed with avoidant and schizoid personality disorders. But I didn't have any issues in my life (have a career, house, etc...), so they didn't see the need to put me on any meds
They diagnosed me with GD too, but I think they were wrong. I only ever wanted to be a woman, I never actually felt I was one
Julie is right about not calling people like me trans. I know I'm technically a troony, but I keep that to myself because it's not really an identity. It's basically a glorified hair/skin care regimen for me
> I only ever wanted to be a woman
In most cases, cis men don’t feel like this. It feels more like you have issues with your self-image. You don’t perceive yourself as a woman and thus tell yourself you’re just trying to be one.
Don’t be that harsh to yourself, please. Feel hugged over there, sister
Also, talk to a psychiatrist again and describe your honest feelings. It’s possible some meds could help you
Thank you Julie. My therapist said the same thing, but I was very honest with her and I told her that I feel like a man. I just hate looking like one.
If there was some way to prevent baldness and male aging without estrogen, I'd probably do that, but I don't mind using estrogen at all, it honestly has no downsides for me.
She probably gave me a GD diagnosis so I would stop DIYing hrt, but I refused to let anyone else pay for this
Well, it seems you have to decide whether you
>want to be a woman
or
>want to not be a bald male
That seems to be the crux. If you gravitate towards the first, please stop beating yourself up so much
Everyone is fake trans
You think other people don't get that especially /tttt/ weirdos?
You can't say you're a cis guy if you take estrogen sorry you are a troony all of them are weird and atypical in some way
Nah
I call bs
You can't tell em emotions aren't way more fricking intense without T dulling them
This holds true anecdotally you may be an anomaly but for most people the way you experience your emotions and feelings changes significantly
Better to be irl happy then /tttt/ minor celebrity frequent poster
Would be nice to have someone else yell at passoids for being dumb though
I’m decently happy irl. Just spending my time here when I’m bored with nothing to do and my friends aren’t available. If they are, I’m being happy spending time w the frens
Thats the whole point of being a troony
You are not born a woman so you have to transition,
>REEEEEE WHY AM I NOT A 10/10 BOMBSHELL I THOUGHT HRT IS A MIRACLE PILL
It goes to show how these trannies are just for superficial results like that big fake titty teacher from canada
They have no basic moral values to stand on
No, I wouldn’t call these people trans. They’re chasing looks and an aesthetic, rather than try to just align your gender identity with your body. Someone who is trans is born trans
Thats for them to decide 🙂
This is why we need to draw the line in the sand.
Transitioning should only start at 21
No this is very wrong. People who are born trans can recognize it early if they are educated on it early. Aesthetic chasers typically transition late rather than early, so you’d be hurting actual trans people with it
I disagree
I think people have alot more internalized transphobia then you do and try to cope with gender dysphoria by acting like it's just an aesthetic like I'm really a she/her hrt femboy I'm not like the other trannies 🙂
Truth is if you take estrogen as a biological male you aren't a normal dude you are trans. People don't do socially frowned upon life altering shit for an aesthetic only without aomething being different about them. These people are all trans just with varying degrees of co-morbid mental illness and complex's
Probably to some degree. But I can’t shake off the feeling that these people have ulterior motives of social acceptance and desirability by becoming a trans woman, rather than just treating their GD
There isn't much desirability in becoming a trans women except in the rare cases where you are a youngshit and gay and wat to transition for comphet reasons wich is pretty rare
For late transitioners There is a whole lot more negatives then positives both practically and socially if you transition you can do much easier non life fricking up shit for social recognition especially as an AMAB
Again I think if you are on HRT I'm going to assume you are actually trans, there are alot of fake trannies for clout out ther but they tend to be not on HRT and AFAB
I know that trans is shit for social acceptance, but you cannot deny that some people seem to desire being attractive over literally anything else. It feels like their thought process is:
>Ugh I hate being a man
>I wanna be a pretty woman!
>I’m just as attractive as before and not pretty?
>REEEEEEE HRT is THE WORST
despite then looking more feminine and less manly
I'm guessing you are not attracted to men?
It's not hard to be romantically desirable as a guy and it has a lot less to do with genetics and luck like with women
Guys have a better chance being desirable especially as they age past there mid 20s like I agree as a teenager women have it way easier getting partners but as you age it flips substantially
If you are am ugly is guy you have a much much much better chance of getting partner by increasing your wealth social status and working out as you age rather then trooning out where it's all luck and genetics and youth wich determine how successful you are
It's not easier as a girl to pickup in the longterm you just think that because you're transgender and dysphoric
I’m certainly biased as a transgender person.
Not sure what my sexuality has to do with it? In any case, I am pan with a strong preference for feminine people. With men I am much more picky.
All the point you make are reasonable and valid. I just believe there are people who genuinely see trying to become a pretty woman is the better/easier option. Because estrogen is a "magic pill" to them.
Yeah I guess but if you aren't trans and don't gave gender dysphoria I don't see why you wouldn't detrans when realizing the " magic attractive girl pill" isn't real?
Also, I have very bad internalized transphobia on some days, due to my dysphoria. I cry all day and tell myself I’m stuck in a male body forever being an "estrogenized male". The only difference maybe being that I know I’m a woman on the inside. But yeah, I have those days too, but they are becoming more rare, especially as soon as I get off this hondose 🙂
>you look like women
lmao
No one is born trans thats just stupid.
Transitioning is an act not a permanent State
Yes people are born trans just like how people are born gay/lesbian. Come back with terf crap when you can support it with data
I'm a ulgy man tho
Ikr, I'm a hon, dysphoria is a b***h to deal with especially since I haven't had FFS yet, but I enjoying the ride for the most part and embraced being a non-passing troony or a gay man with breasts, lol.
I wish so desperately that I looked like an ugly woman instead of an ugly man
In my experience ugly men generally transition better than attractive ones and vice versa. The features that make men attractive are usually the same features that make women ugly.
I will keep seething and be bitter until I rope for good, it’s for the good of mankind
My face isn’t the problem, It’s my body. I have an upside down triangle body so that means: Narrow pelvis with broad shoulders.
Womens clothing doesn’t look good on me and get gendered male 24/7. Is literally kill to get my pre-pubescent body back
I have that too. Well, I’m pretty slim, but my shoulders are still more broad than pelvis area. Kind of a slim athlete bod if that helps. Wear stuff that shows your shoulders, avoid rectangle and wide cleavage and go for v cuts instead. You can minimize them while maximizing your lower half